Debate here if you doubt Jesus is the Creator of the universe born in flesh

[Apatheist]

Apatheist,

https://ancientnostalgia.weebly.com/exodus.html

See excerpts from the Ipuwer Papyrus around 40% down if you want extrabiblical collaboration supporting pre-Exodus plagues?

See photographs and information around 85% down if you want an enormous amount of evidence for 1) a literal crossing over the Red Sea and 2) Mount Sinai having a burned and blacked top while sitting next to a split stone with water erosion around it in an area that gets like half and inch of rainfall per decade and many pots found nearby and a giant stone altar found nearby and cattle and menorah inscriptions found nearby (the Area 51 of archaeology complete with massive amounts of barbwire fencing and a Saudi Arabian guard post?)?

Also are you familiar with the Tower of Babel if you are speaking of a world with one language? Are you familiar with evidence for the year being 360 days in the past and the sun being in more alignment with the moon and women’s menstrual cycles? Just be patient if there is evidence many things fell into corruption and He is letting wheat grow up among tares and waiting for you and others to turn back before coming to judge the earth. https://360dayyear.com/

I'm sure there were plagues in the past, and the movement of various tribes. Nothing to do with Moses though.
The point about the Tower of Babel: AI's view:
The Tower of Babel story is primarily an origin myth. However, it is widely believed to be inspired by a real, historical structure: the Etemenanki, a massive ziggurat dedicated to the god Marduk in the ancient city of Babylon.
Connection to the Bible: During the Babylonian Exile in the 6th century BCE, exiled Israelites lived in Babylon. Seeing the grand, towering ziggurat alongside a bustling, multilingual empire heavily influenced their storytelling.
Multiple Languages: In the Book of Genesis, the story serves as an etiological tale—a narrative created to explain why humanity speaks many different languages.

People came to speak different languages, plagues and extreme weather happened, and the thought was "because god..." etc, when there was a perfectly prosaic explanation that they didn't yet understand.

So...as with a lot of these things, they did exist or happen, just not for the reason that the religious interpret.
The words I highlighted sum it up precisely.

[jusplay4fun]

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@jusplay4fun,

I suggest looking more into young earth creationism and a literal global flood and how much evidence supports these things.

Do you think this represents millions of years of history and that dirt suddenly changed colors every million years or so with no water erosion for hundreds of thousands of years at a time?

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Well consider what happens to sediment during liquefaction. The following images don’t contain my own words and you can do your own experiments with sand toys purchased from Amazon maybe:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BTPK6LQK/re ... V9kZXRhaWw

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Let's focus on the question of erosion:

Santa Elena Canyon, Big Bend National Park, Texas
Santa Elena Canyon's walls put the 'Big' in Big Bend National Park as they stretch 1,500 feet into the blue Texas sky. This desert landscape feels as old as time, but it's relatively young geologically: Most formations here result from rough-and-tumble tectonics within the past 100 million years. The resulting tossed and turned bedrock was later eroded by the (even younger) Rio Grande, forming deep gorges whose sediment layers lie at various odd angles. The canted cliffs in this shot are just a hint at the park's extreme elevation differences: More than 6,000 feet separate Big Bend's highest and lowest points.

Erosion to form Large canyons is not limited to the Grand Canyon.

[Apatheist]

@Lionz, a question or two occurred to me: we now know that the Indian sub-continental plate is moving north at 5cm per year (although they now believe, according to this: https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/geosoc ... m=fulltext, that it has been up to 4 times as fast). Based on 5000 years, that's 25000 cm, or 250 metres (about 273 yards). What would be the point of creating a planet where India had only moved 250m, but was made to look (based on tectonics, carbon dating, the Himalayas etc) like it had moved a lot further? Why create rocks and canyons that extrapolations suggest are much older, but are only made to look like it? Why have ferns with hundreds of chromosomes that make it look like they've been through so many mutations, which would take way more than 5000 years? Why have dinosaur fossils that look like they're hundreds of millions of years old, when they're not? Wouldn't it be more awesome to have created intelligent life when Gondwanaland was still around, and watch it develop? Why not have Jesus born right at the start, immortal, and have him hang around to explain what's going on?
Why fool us into thinking all this stuff is much older than it actually is?
I'd love to know your take on that. I know what the default cop-out answer is, please don't waste our time with that.