Civilitas High - Recess 4

[hjelp]

Vote kongming

[hjelp]

I suggest we lynch kongming

[Maxleod]

I suggest we lynch kongming

Yeay I got that. Votes must be in bold red BTW.

I could switch my vote to kong, but I still think homer is the last scum. Why would he try to accuse me when I"m a confirmed townie??? That's just a desperate move because I'm after him.

[hjelp]

I think they both are scum but if it’s only one left I think it’s kongming

[hjelp]

I think I wrote in bold Red. Hard tickat when using my phone.
Vote kongming

[Ragian]

Accusation count

Homer - 1 (Max)
Kong - 1 (hjelp)

With 6 in class, it takes 4 accusations to send someone to the principal's office

[Ragian]

NOTICE FROM THE PRINCIPAL'S OFFICE

Lack of participation - first warning
DJFireside - HAS NOT PARTICIPATED DURING LESSON 4 AT ALL

Remaining students on 1st warning
Devante - has participated satisfactorily since 1st warning
DJFireside - newly issued

In order to learn, all evidence points to student participation. The best learning occurs when students are active in class. Therefore, the rules for participation here at Civilitas High, where teaching students to become independent thinkers in the spirit of Kantianism is imperative, are as follows:
- If you go through five real life days without participating in class, you will receive a warning (as a PM).
- Your warnings are logged throughout the semester (game).
- Your second warning is your final warning. There is no third warning.
- Breaking the rules after having received a second warning gets you sent to the principal's office.
- If you are sent to the principal's office, you are evicted from Civilitas High. Any people on the waiting list will be offered your place.

Obviously, students are urged to contact the principal's office with important information regarding lack of participation in class, which will be taken into consideration when distributing warnings.

[homer_jay]

I suggest we lynch kongming

Yeay I got that. Votes must be in bold red BTW.

I could switch my vote to kong, but I still think homer is the last scum. Why would he try to accuse me when I"m a confirmed townie??? That's just a desperate move because I'm after him.

claimed townie

[hjelp]

I suggest that we vote now - on one player. We need four votes.

[Djfireside]

Apologies on absence, will catch up and add thoughts

[Devante]

Was away without service this weekend, will catch up on posts but doesn't look like much has happened only 2 new pages

[Ragian]

If this is not going to pick up soon, I'm enforcing a deadline.

[homer_jay]

i've made my thoughts clear. there was always doubt about kingm, but nothing concrete. the way max has come in looks incredibly suspicious to me

Vote Max

[hjelp]

I wait for more voters on kingman.

[hjelp]

I mean kongming (I hate autocorrection).

[Djfireside]

I will try to be more concise on this but I do not want to let this day roll out without a lynch. In looking at the voting on LC and just various actions throughout the days, and I hate to pull a separate way than the vote is going but my main point seems to point towards dev but the recent posts by Homer just are screaming the other way especially stating Townie. We know there is no "townie" but everyone has a role within the class and while LC did a bad job relaying theirs, everyone fits the mold but Homers didnt. I was all set to hit on Dev but will noodle Homer's statements cause they were on the list as well.

To fit the claim and noted for days: Im a Wallflower and as one only really confirmed the 2 other dead wallflowers but had faith in the others but never convinced.

[kongming3]

Hjelp, I'd ask that you take the blinders off for a moment and reassess the available information. When you quoted me and DDS earlier, you'll notice that we later discussed everything brought up and there was no substance to it beyond probing. Probing is fine, just please don't get stuck in on a lynch effort based on no substance and an unwillingness to switch (or scum game-driven need to be irrational). If you look at my post about dev, there is actual evidence for him of working to protect and keep a known scum in Charle alive, and his follow the leader style (which confirmed town DDS also pointed out and wanted to go after before he was silenced) has looked suspicious. Feel free to take a look and we can go through it if it's unclear why that was notable and suspicious for whatever reason.

I think doing full role claims right now is strictly bad for town, and a scum-favoured idea. It certainly will come up after town uses our roles, but there is zero reason to hand that info to scum for night kills before it is necessary. Did Homer claim a role? I didn't see anything, but DJF seems to have brought up something about that - slightly unclear what he's saying, if he can clear that up and what he thinks it would be very useful.

DJF is currently the least likely to be scum in my eyes (though I'd like more input from him to know/hear more), Dev most likely scum based on failure to hammer Charle when directly given the opportunity despite prior claims of wanting to lynch Charle (which was explicitly why Charle survived that day - hjelp, if you think of the Loose lynch again, the clear difference is we made sure he died that day and did not fail to vote by the appointed time) + trying to divert lynch train away from Charle the next day + consistent follow the leader style of post including at the start of day today, where he makes no attempt to independently find or probe for scum candidates, just echoes what others are saying to fit in.

[hjelp]

@kong

I’m not blinded. All my reasoning made me end up in two suspects- you and homer_jay.
And what finally made me to discard Devante from the list was LC’s arguing for scum. LC’s list was where to find scums. You two were the only that didn’t appear on the list. And Charle voted on Dev D2.

[hjelp]

And not to do a role-claim would be unlucky since after a lynch today and a scum-kill during the night leave only four left. If there still is two scums left then the baddies have won. Of course you’re against a full claim since you’re scum.

[kongming3]

Surely you can understand that scum is motivated to lie and mislead when they're about to die??? If our case for people is based on who scum tried to clear by acting suspicious of (at no cost to them), you were the one Loose said was most townie, so your logic of do whatever the opposite of what scum outwardly expresses would have us believe you're chief scum. I for one don't put a lot of trust in what Charle or LC said, since I can promise the intent of them was not to help town. If we look at what scum actually did, they just killed the main townie pushing for dev. It is very easy to mislead with statements or votes scum make when they know they're about to die and be exposed, a lot harder to hide the intent behind tangible actions like night kills.

[hjelp]

@ kong

No, it’s not ”… the opposite of what scum outwardly expresses …”. I think that LC argued for a scum win. I think It was LC’s win objective- thereby no arguing regarding you or homer being scum.

[hjelp]

@ kong
I still waiting for your answers.

Claiming wallflower is not the same as being wallflower, can we please not blindly trust people who "revealed" their role of vanilla town day 1, especially at this stage of the game? And before anyone brings up the flavour knowledge claim, Ragian is an experienced player who is known to be anti-flavour nonsense and meta-gaming in that way. Scum would have been told of wallflowers or that they're fighting against the wallflowers or some such thing, we weren't just gifted five confirmed townsfolk (incredibly incredibly game breaking) simply because they knew the word wallflower.
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@kong
How do you know that scum weren’t told ?? ”… Scum would have been told of wallflowers or that they're fighting against …” - Who are the we in ”… we weren’t just gifted five confirmed townsfolk …” ??

And

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On the topic of DDS, his suspicion of dev seems to line up with what I've seen both in the past, as well as today (both posts today by dev were more noncommittal yeah me too whatever you think is best posts that didn't commit to anything or add anything aka Follow the Leader). DDS being killed also shows direct intention by scum that they didn't want to keep him around. It's possible that scum just wanted to frame dev, but the simpler and probably more likely explanation is that a relatively trusted and active townsfolk (DDS) was expressing suspicion of someone (dev), and so had to be taken out.
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@ kong
”… but the simpler and probably more likely explanation is that a relatively trusted and active townsfolk (DDS) was expressing suspicion of someone (dev), and so had to be taken out.”
The three expressed suspicious by DDS last list-post are kong, dev and homer.
By that - is it therefore you took out DDS and now push for dev and not homer?

[kongming3]

Okay I'll bite one last time in the interest of doing my civic duty and maybe finally corralling town together.

@ kong

No, it’s not ”… the opposite of what scum outwardly expresses …”. I think that LC argued for a scum win. I think It was LC’s win objective- thereby no arguing regarding you or homer being scum.

Yes, LC obviously wants scum to win, no dispute about that. He also knows that he is about to be lynched and exposed as scum, so he wants to sow doubt and confusion in different ways. Sure, he doesn't argue that homer or I are scum. He also doesn't argue that you are scum, and says you look the most townie. He also says DDS is the most likely to be scum, and we certainly know that isn't true. Do you see how there's no rhyme or reason beyond trying to confuse things? It's the same way scum players will say they are suspicious of a mix of town and fellow scum players in early game scum-lists, and also try to clear a mix of town and fellow scum players.

Loose wants scum to win, nothing he says is intended to help town, he is trying to sow chaos and is guaranteed to be mixing truth and lies (unless you want to claim he was only lying throughout and you're actually scum) - deciding someone is scum or town based on what a scum player tells you is ridiculously asinine, and I truly hope it is very clear to you why that might be.



Your questions and quotes are a bit messy and I'm not 100% sure what you're saying or how to quote reply properly, but I'll just try to go through them directly.

Are you asking me if I know scum weren't told about wallflowers? Because I don't know anything for sure, but I can very logically deduce with high confidence what makes sense for game-breaking purposes, (and I'm also saying that scum were almost certainly told about wallflowers, not that they weren't). Wallflowers are the flavoured version of vanilla town for this game, people are not cleared by claiming vanilla town in normal games (and we can presumably all realize how strong and gamebreaking that would be if they could), and so wallflowers in this game are also not cleared by virtue of knowing the word wallflower (and the natural way to prevent that is just telling scum the name or fake role claim for it, or something similar).

The "we" from the quote is town or town players (the people who would benefit from cleared townsfolk), definitely not a scum slip, town slip if anything but I wouldn't even really give myself that either.

I'm assuming you're referring to this post?

Quick recap of the wallflower breadcrumb strat.
From what I know...
Wallflowers
Me
DJ
Hjelp
King/Max

The unknowns
Kong
Dev
Homer

Think it's likely we're pressuring Dev D3.

These are the known and unknown claimed roles, not non-suspicious or suspicious. All people on the top have publicly claimed wallflower, all the people on the bottom haven't claimed anything, and so are unknowns. If you keep reading this post two more lines down, you'll see that DDS directly calls out Dev as the person he is most interested in pressuring D3. You don't have to take my word for anything, it is very direct, not hidden or obscure at all, and you can also search through DDS's many posts where he calls out Dev for his suspicious Follow the Leader style of posts.

Besides everything already mentioned, I've also had Dev above Homer in suspicion based on the meaningful gameplay choices and voting. Dev didn't hammer scum Charle D1, and didn't vote him D2 either and tried to derail the lynch on Charle. Homer did vote for Charle, and was one of the first and strongest voices pushing for a lynch on Charle and calling out his fake claim. There's literally a contrast in consecutive posts D2 where Homer is pushing hard for a Charle lynch and dev votes multiple times to ignore Charle and try to go for someone else. To be clear, I currently have no role-information that guarantees either is town or scum, but up till today I think Homer has absolutely accrued more town credit than Dev. It is possible both are scum or neither are, and opinions could change as more role information or claims come out, but I see no reason not to trust the player who actively pushed to kill scum Charle more than the player who actively worked against killing scum Charle.

[Devante]

As stated before I was in favour of LC and Charle out of everyone and LC was my prime suspect for scum with Charle as a second

[Ragian]

Accusation count

Homer - 1 (Max)
Kong - 1 (hjelp)
Max - 1 (homer)

With 6 in class, it takes 4 accusations to send someone to the principal's office



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