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I will if HitRed will :)
What we find particularly galling is that Trump berated Europe (including the UK) for not joining in, having not asked for support before starting the attack. It was the only sensible thing Starmer did during his tenure as PM.
Iran could be another Afghanistan. Got rid of the Shah, got the Ayatollahs, now trying to remove the Ayatollahs. His only option was to install a puppet, or at least pro-western, government, but the opposition wasn't strong enough. I think his hubris - which is absolutely monumental, and is probably inflated by those around him (since he sacks everyone who disagrees with him) often gets in the way of good judgement.
Reagan's legacy is somewhat tainted by his description of the Contras as "freedom fighters" rather than "terrorists"; more than one organisation in the middle east could claim to be the former but is treated by outsiders as the latter.
As I've said many times, neither side has the high ground in the Israel-Palestine conflict; I don't think Israel has the moral high ground here either, which is another reason why they won't get far, and they're not doing much for the cause of anti-semitism by being aggressive to their neighbours.
One does, however, have to have total respect for Mossad - perhaps it will be down to them if Israel are to come out on top.
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Mostly true, except for the China part.

China has vast strategic reserves. It can play the long game. It simply stops buying oil when the price is too high, and resumes buying when the price goes back down. Meanwhile, other industrialized nations with smaller reserves have to keep buying whether the price is high or low. The net result of the price oscillation in oil has been very harmful to Japan, Korea, Australia, and many European nations. It is a minor inconvenience to China.
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NO Doubt that Trump has lots of Hubris, and some of that impacts much of his actions. This whole negotiations for peace with Iran is Trump being TOO MUCH Trump, imo, trying to use the Media to pressure his enemy, especially via Social Media. Classic Diplomacy still has its value in cases such as this, imo.

I think the Iranians are holding out, hoping the pressure of the US November elections will pressure Trump to cave, to give them a better negotiated deal. I am tired of the constant oscillation here: One day "We will bomb the Hell out of them" to the other side "Give Peace a chance." That strategy is NOT working. JimB had some advice for Trump, in another thread:
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Although I do not agree with ALL his points, (such as wanting support of other nations and the US Population BEFORE an/the attack on Iran and for an attack on Iran in 1979) JimB has some good ideas, especially his ideas on demands for US to stop military actions against Iran.
g) Having documented Iran’s attacks on civilian ships I would use old cheap bombing munitions to completely cut-off the roads, bridges, etc… all infrastructure that supports troop movement to the coast. Basically I would carpet bomb the entire coast of Iran that borders the Straight.
h) I would cease all the BS “Let’s make a deal” talk…. I would issue a document that must be agreed to prior to any stopping on the attack…. the document would be simple… Iran would have to agree to
*The Straight of Hormuz is an International/ Free passage.
*No more support for any proxies.
*No more nuclear program, with immediate and open access by our experts to ANY site at ANY time.
So not an unconditional surrender… I don’t care if they change their regime or not… so long as they agree to these 3 simple points. No ambiguity.
The support for proxies may happen as long as Iran lacks money to do so. The nuclear programs is something the mullahs and IRG very much want. Negotiations will not be easy for those two points. The only Iranian "Trump card" is the the Strait of Hormuz, as their 3-4 proxy efforts are basically now impotent. The Houtis of Yemen did aim a few projectiles at Saudi ships in the Red Sea, as I recall. I have not heard of any such attacks in recent days, only a few about 7-10 days ago.
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Iran inflation

“Now that prices are rising by the hour, people are afraid they won’t be able to afford the same item tomorrow. So the moment they get money, they come and convert it into goods. And if that good is an investment, all the better. In fact, I should say that nowadays, everything is an investment, because even if you buy a rug, next year it’ll be worth more than what you paid for it.”

https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/why-i ... gold-rush/
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I'm sure they will blame America for generations to come for the inflation, but at least they will have gained future revenue from the straight going from a free waterway to one they will have effective control over for generations to come.
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Price is the answer.
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If they call it a tariff instead of a toll eveyone should be happy.
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HitRed wrote: Wed Aug 05, 2026 5:56 pm Iran inflation

“Now that prices are rising by the hour, people are afraid they won’t be able to afford the same item tomorrow. So the moment they get money, they come and convert it into goods. And if that good is an investment, all the better. In fact, I should say that nowadays, everything is an investment, because even if you buy a rug, next year it’ll be worth more than what you paid for it.”

https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/why-i ... gold-rush/
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Adoration today! O:)
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Jewish settlers attacking Christians in the West Bank.

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HitRed wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2026 5:41 am Image

Adoration today! O:)
We're supposed to have stopped doing this on this thread. It's about Israel. Please move these to the Jesus thread, or a separate one (or stop making a fool of yourself and stop altogether) - but don't post this here.
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Jesus has only mentioned two countries in the messages. The USA, some 10 times or so, and Israel hundreds of times. Interesting to ponder.
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HitRed wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2026 9:17 am Jesus has only mentioned two countries in the messages. The USA, some 10 times or so, and Israel hundreds of times. Interesting to ponder.
Come obediently to the Lord, the God of Israel.
Obey me, and you please me, the Lord God of Israel.
The USA was never mentioned in the Bible.

It's time for Israel the only Jewish State, to help the Jewish settlers to cleanse the West Bank of
Christian and .Muslim vermin.

Heil Netanyahu!



Jewish settlers attacking Christians in the West Bank.


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Pack Rat wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2026 10:05 am
HitRed wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2026 9:17 am Jesus has only mentioned two countries in the messages. The USA, some 10 times or so, and Israel hundreds of times. Interesting to ponder.
Come obediently to the Lord, the God of Israel.
Obey me, and you please me, the Lord God of Israel.
The USA was never mentioned in the Bible.

It's time for Israel the only Jewish State, to help the Jewish settlers to cleanse the West Bank of
Christian and .Muslim vermin.

Heil Netanyahu!



Jewish settlers attacking Christians in the West Bank.


https://youtube.com/shorts/xaTGwr2QEtA? ... YkReTCdETM
No, these are the voices in HitRed's head that he wants to hear. I suspect it's the mushrooms talking.
What I really struggle with is the concept that some sort of being is checking this thread to see whether he posts his "adoration" - presumably if it's not there, there will be earthquakes or plagues. I struggle even more with the concept that any rational human would believe that to be the case.
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Did Jesus tell you trepeatedly to carpet bomb any post that dared to question your absurd statements.

By the way, can you quote the Bible about your statement that Jesus did mentioned USA?
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August 8, 26 Adoration

Message from Jesus

I saw Jesus on the cross and heard, "I did this so you may have eternal life. This is what it cost me to save you. I laid down my own life to open heaven to you, but you reject my actions—the cost that you could not pay yourself. I did not die for nothing! I died to save all. There is much more here you do not see or even could know without faith and trust in me, Jesus Christ, the true God and true man."
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I did say I'd stop posting my quotes if HitRed stopped posting his...sorry folks, blame him...
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August 8, 26 Adoration

Message from Jesus

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I saw Jesus on the cross and heard, "I did this so you may have eternal life. This is what it cost me to save you. I laid down my own life to open heaven to you, but you reject my actions—the cost that you could not pay yourself. I did not die for nothing! I died to save all. There is much more here you do not see or even could know without faith and trust in me, Jesus Christ, the true God and true man."
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YouTube Videos PROVE NOTHING:

Here is "proof" from YouTube that world is FLAT:




and here is proof from YouTube that the world is NOT FLAT:





Based on this small sample of videos, BOTH opposing ideas are valid. What did we learn? That one can try to "prove" ANYTHING with YouTube and thus ANY Social Media.

Thus, citing a YouTube or TikTok video PROVES NOTHING.

One more, just for FUN:



7,932,454 views Feb 28, 2020
I can't count how many people have asked for another one of these, and I figured it's been quite a while, so why not mock the flatties one more time? In this video I point out ten blatantly obvious and trivial things any flat earther could do to substantiate their model, that they totally never and will never do. It's hard to fathom that there are a few hundred of them left, maybe I can pick a few off with this one.
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“It [Darwin's theory of evolution] was a concept of such stunning simplicity, but it gave rise, naturally, to all of the infinite and baffling complexity of life. The awe it inspired in me made the awe that people talk about in respect of religious experience seem, frankly, silly beside it. I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.”
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jusplay4fun wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2026 3:19 pm YouTube Videos PROVE NOTHING:

Here is "proof" from YouTube that world is FLAT:




and here is proof from YouTube that the world is NOT FLAT:





Based on this small sample of videos, BOTH opposing ideas are valid. What did we learn? That one can try to "prove" ANYTHING with YouTube and thus ANY Social Media.

Thus, citing a YouTube or TikTok video PROVES NOTHING.

One more, just for FUN:



7,932,454 views Feb 28, 2020
I can't count how many people have asked for another one of these, and I figured it's been quite a while, so why not mock the flatties one more time? In this video I point out ten blatantly obvious and trivial things any flat earther could do to substantiate their model, that they totally never and will never do. It's hard to fathom that there are a few hundred of them left, maybe I can pick a few off with this one.
I can prove anything by statistics except the truth.
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This is not a duel; one can stop without the other agreeing. RIGHT?
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jusplay4fun wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2026 4:18 pm This is not a duel; one can stop without the other agreeing. RIGHT?
One can, but I feel it would be wrong to let religious nonsense go unchallenged. Anyway, he's in the wrong thread.

BTW the first video you posted was actually satirical. He's taking the mickey out of flat-earthers.
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Apatheist wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2026 3:33 am
jusplay4fun wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2026 4:18 pm This is not a duel; one can stop without the other agreeing. RIGHT?
One can, but I feel it would be wrong to let religious nonsense go unchallenged. Anyway, he's in the wrong thread.

BTW the first video you posted was actually satirical. He's taking the mickey out of flat-earthers.
As I said, you social media video on YouTube or TikTok PROVES NOTHING, since one can nearly anything there, including satire.

and, btw:
taking the mickey out of flat-earthers
Whatever THAT means...LoL :lol:
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jusplay4fun wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2026 2:37 pm
Apatheist wrote: Sun Aug 09, 2026 3:33 am
jusplay4fun wrote: Sat Aug 08, 2026 4:18 pm This is not a duel; one can stop without the other agreeing. RIGHT?
One can, but I feel it would be wrong to let religious nonsense go unchallenged. Anyway, he's in the wrong thread.

BTW the first video you posted was actually satirical. He's taking the mickey out of flat-earthers.
As I said, you social media video on YouTube or TikTok PROVES NOTHING, since one can nearly anything there, including satire.

and, btw:
taking the mickey out of flat-earthers
Whatever THAT means...LoL :lol:
For those who may not know, it's the quaint English way of describing removing the urine...ie satirising.
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