jusplay4fun wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2026 1:11 pm
First, to put Castro in the same "league" as Stalin and Mao is simply SILLY. I agree with Apatheist on THAT point.
Second, to put Trump in THIS conversation is CRAZY. Deaths due to his "war" or "small potatoes" vs. Iran is what? a thousand or less?
Third, let us put some facts on Mao:
I posted earlier, provided the LINK, and now will quote from my earlier post:
In 2019, Liao Gailong (廖盖隆), former Vice Director of the History Research Unit of the CCP, reported 40 million "unnatural" deaths due to the famine.[30][48]
In 2015, Yu Xiguang (余习广), an independent Chinese historian and a former instructor at the Central Party School of the Chinese Communist Party, estimated that 55 million people died due to the famine.[58][59][60][61] His conclusion was based on two decades of archival research.[61]
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and Stalin:
man-made famine that convulsed the Soviet republic of Ukraine from 1932 to 1933, peaking in the late spring of 1933. It was part of a broader Soviet famine (1931–34) that also caused mass starvation in the grain-growing regions of Soviet Russia and Kazakhstan. The Ukrainian famine, however, was made deadlier by a series of political decrees and decisions that were aimed mostly or only at Ukraine. (...)
The result of Stalin’s campaign was a catastrophe. In spring 1933 death rates in Ukraine spiked. Between 1931 and 1934 at least 5 million people perished of hunger all across the U.S.S.R. Among them, according to a study conducted by a team of Ukrainian demographers, were at least 3.9 million Ukrainians.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Holodomor
and from AI Summary:
man-made famine that occurred from 1932 to 1933. This event was primarily a result of Stalin's policies, including forced collectivization and grain requisitioning, which devastated agricultural production in Ukraine, a key grain-producing region.
Key Aspects of the Holodomor:
Causes: The famine was exacerbated by harsh policies aimed at suppressing Ukrainian nationalism and resistance to collectivization. The Soviet government requisitioned grain and other foodstuffs, leaving the population with insufficient resources to survive.
Death Toll: Estimates suggest that approximately four million Ukrainians died due to starvation, contributing to a total of around five million deaths across the Soviet Union during this period.
and
I think most accept that Hitler KILLED Millions, in war, via Concentration camps, and starvation of Russian and Slavic POWs. Here is one estimate, from AI Summary:
Nazi Germany, under Adolf Hitler, was responsible for the deaths of approximately 17 million people during World War II. This figure includes the systematic genocide of about six million Jews in the Holocaust, alongside millions of others, including Romani people, disabled individuals, Polish civilians, Soviet prisoners of war, and various other groups targeted by Nazi policies
Breakdown of Casualties
Holocaust Victims: Approximately 6 million Jews.
Other Victims: Estimates suggest that around 11 million additional victims included non-Jewish civilians and various persecuted groups.
Context
The total number of deaths attributed to Nazi Germany encompasses not only the Holocaust but also military actions, forced labor, and other atrocities committed during the war.
US Casualties (from AI Summary):
As of now, 20 U.S. service members have been killed in the ongoing conflict with Iran since the U.S. initiated military actions in February 2026. This includes deaths from hostile actions, with reports indicating that 10 of these fatalities occurred in such circumstances
Additionally, the Pentagon has reported a total of 624 wounded U.S. troops
In terms of broader context, some estimates suggest that over 1,000 American deaths have been linked to Iran and its proxies since 1979, depending on the criteria used for counting
However, these figures include various incidents beyond direct military actions.
vs. Iranians killed; estimates vary GREATLY; again, from AI Summary:
stimates of Iranian casualties from U.S. actions vary significantly.
Recent Reports: As of April 2026, Human Rights Activists in Iran (HRANA) documented approximately 3,636 deaths in Iran due to U.S. strikes, including both civilians and military personnel.
U.S. Military Actions: Since the onset of the current conflict in February 2026, reports indicate that U.S. strikes have resulted in at least 53 confirmed deaths and 592 injuries as of early August 2026.
Overall Context: The total number of Iranian casualties from U.S. military actions over the past decades is difficult to ascertain due to varying reports and the lack of comprehensive data.
