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That's a question for a separate thread. Isn't this one interesting enough to keep on track without having yet another go at the government?
Pack Rat doesn't get it.Apatheist wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2026 3:37 pmThat's a question for a separate thread. Isn't this one interesting enough to keep on track without having yet another go at the government?
Not that they don't deserve it, but there's more than enough places for political comment.

Apatheist wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2026 3:37 pmThat's a question for a separate thread. Isn't this one interesting enough to keep on track without having yet another go at the government?
Not that they don't deserve it, but there's more than enough places for political comment.
THE BLACK JESUS HAS SPOKEN...-JESUS NOIR"SURE YOU GUYS, WHAT-EVERRRRRRRRRR!"

A sensible mature person would listen to that advice. I try to raise interesting subjects; if you don't have opinions on them, there's no requirement to join in. Do you not think that 1 post is a bit premature for changing the subject? Please leave it to those who might want to discuss something rather than just turning everything on to your pet subjects.Pack Rat wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2026 12:16 amApatheist wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2026 3:37 pmThat's a question for a separate thread. Isn't this one interesting enough to keep on track without having yet another go at the government?
Not that they don't deserve it, but there's more than enough places for political comment.
We hear that same question very often here. But who listen to that advice? Changing the subject is what we do when people take themselves to seriously.
Scott Baio gave me pink eye too Owen, never forget.owenshooter wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2026 3:57 amTHE BLACK JESUS HAS SPOKEN...-JESUS NOIR"SURE YOU GUYS, WHAT-EVERRRRRRRRRR!"
WILLIAMS5232 wrote: as far as dukasaur goes, i had no idea you were so goofy. i mean, you hate your parents so much you'd wish they'd been shot? just move out bro.
Only if one understands those energies and has detectors capable of detecting them, pointed in the right direction.Dukasaur wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2026 8:09 am I don't think a vessel capable of interstellar flight could be undetectable. The energies involved are too great.
We can detect things without needing to understand them.Apatheist wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2026 9:45 amOnly if one understands those energies and has detectors capable of detecting them, pointed in the right direction.Dukasaur wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2026 8:09 am I don't think a vessel capable of interstellar flight could be undetectable. The energies involved are too great.
True, but suppose they are travelling in hyperspace, the sub-ether or a parallel dimension, or using a tachyon drive (okay, I watch sci-fi), we wouldn't necessarily pick them up. Of course, anything faster than light would be here before we realised it.Dukasaur wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2026 10:24 amWe can detect things without needing to understand them.Apatheist wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2026 9:45 amOnly if one understands those energies and has detectors capable of detecting them, pointed in the right direction.Dukasaur wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2026 8:09 am I don't think a vessel capable of interstellar flight could be undetectable. The energies involved are too great.
We detected a lot of different kinds of radiation before we knew what they were.
Dangers of AI, Data Centers, and Technology
Post by jusplay4fun » Sat Sep 12, 2026 4:28 pm
Science Fiction, by several major writers, have addressed issues of Technology dangers. I mentioned to my students the works of Isaac Asimov and Arthur C. Clarke earlier this week in Class, as we discussed the use of Technology and App Programs to automate our experiments to gather and record data. I told my students that they need to understand what the electronic device (hardware) is doing and measuring and what the programs (software) is doing. Most did not seem to know how software and hardware differ or even ARE in this context.
from AI
Several prominent science fiction writers have explored the dangers of technology in their works.
Mary Shelley is often credited with laying the groundwork for this theme in her novel Frankenstein, where she examines the consequences of unchecked scientific ambition and the creation of life
Isaac Asimov introduced the famous "Three Laws of Robotics" in his stories, which highlight the ethical dilemmas and potential dangers of artificial intelligence
Philip K. Dick frequently delved into the psychological and societal impacts of technology, as seen in works like Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, which questions the nature of humanity in a technologically advanced world
Arthur C. Clarke also addressed the implications of technology in his works, particularly in 2001: A Space Odyssey, where the AI HAL 9000 poses existential threats

I'm a sci-fi fan myself, and not opposed to fanciful speculation.Apatheist wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2026 11:39 amTrue, but suppose they are travelling in hyperspace, the sub-ether or a parallel dimension, or using a tachyon drive (okay, I watch sci-fi), we wouldn't necessarily pick them up. Of course, anything faster than light would be here before we realised it.Dukasaur wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2026 10:24 amWe can detect things without needing to understand them.Apatheist wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2026 9:45 amOnly if one understands those energies and has detectors capable of detecting them, pointed in the right direction.Dukasaur wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2026 8:09 am I don't think a vessel capable of interstellar flight could be undetectable. The energies involved are too great.
We detected a lot of different kinds of radiation before we knew what they were.
Yes, Arthur C. Clarke, was it not?
Yes, Apatheist, Clarke it was.Dukasaur wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2026 6:56 pmI'm a sci-fi fan myself, and not opposed to fanciful speculation.Apatheist wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2026 11:39 amTrue, but suppose they are travelling in hyperspace, the sub-ether or a parallel dimension, or using a tachyon drive (okay, I watch sci-fi), we wouldn't necessarily pick them up. Of course, anything faster than light would be here before we realised it.Dukasaur wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2026 10:24 amWe can detect things without needing to understand them.Apatheist wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2026 9:45 amOnly if one understands those energies and has detectors capable of detecting them, pointed in the right direction.Dukasaur wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2026 8:09 am I don't think a vessel capable of interstellar flight could be undetectable. The energies involved are too great.
We detected a lot of different kinds of radiation before we knew what they were.
But let's say, for instance, that they were using portable wormholes of some kind. Wormholes can only be created by monstrous gravitational fields of stellar magnitudes. Let's say such a ship went through hyperspace and materialized in our solar system. The opening of a wormhole, even for a split second, would create a gravitational field greater than the one around our sun. Even if it was only open for a microsecond, let's say, it would create a gravity wave similar to the clanging of black holes. We would see massive effects. Not only would we experience brief but potent waves similar to earthquakes, but a few seconds later we would see moonquakes, and then soon after, Marsquakes and Jupiterquakes etc., etc. Even with no knowlege of what the wormhole was or what caused it, we would soon be able to triangulate the point where it occurred.
Yes, Arthur C. Clarke, was it not?
Dukasaur's Corollary is that any technology powerful enough to seem like magic will create tangible signatures in the real world.
and good Corollary, Duk.From AI:
The phrase "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" was said by Arthur C. Clarke. He was a British author and futurist, known for his works in science fiction, including 2001: A Space Odyssey. This quote reflects his views on the relationship between technology and perception, suggesting that advanced technology can appear magical to those who do not understand it.

Is it already happening??HitRed wrote: Sun Sep 13, 2026 7:21 pm They will just float here like Invasion of the Body Snatchers. We will know when people are staring at cell phones emotionless.

WILLIAMS5232 wrote: as far as dukasaur goes, i had no idea you were so goofy. i mean, you hate your parents so much you'd wish they'd been shot? just move out bro.
Let's see... Roseanne Barr?Dukasaur wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2026 7:19 pm Group III for me would only include people with disgusting communicable diseases.
Anybody reasonably healthy, no matter how ugly, I could do if I had to.