Confederate History--Dispelling the Myths...

[mrswdk]

tl;dr

[Metsfanmax]

the irony of Lincoln freeing only the slaves in the states under the Confederacy and not in the then slave states in the Union is lost on most historians

Or perhaps it is just possible that you missed the point. Which is that Lincoln only had the legal authority to free slaves in Confederate states because it was an action taken using military powers. Lincoln had no legal authority to free slaves in states that the Union wasn't at war with, because, well, the Union wasn't at war with them, and the President cannot unilaterally change legislative policy.

[AndyDufresne]

the President cannot unilaterally change legislative policy.

THANKS OBAMA.


--Andy

[a6mzero]

Immediately following his surrender at Appomattox, General Robert E. Lee, ordered the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, the Stars and Bars, to be cased. Prior to his death he insisted that he not be buried in his Confederate uniform. His family asked that all veterans attending his funeral not wear their uniforms. Lee understood that the flag was a symbol a failed revolt, and when the revolt was over he put the symbol away. The Stars and Bars now belong in a museum not flying over public buildings.

Also, Lee, in contrast to his fellows in the South, would never have fought for the Confederacy had Virginia not seceded. Also a fun fact, unlike many of his Southern contemporaries, Lee believed that blacks should get a good education and even had his wife and her mother set up schools during the Civil War for them (which was illegal in the Confederacy). He wasn't perfect though, as he also believed that freed slaves should not get the right to vote and believed it a "necessary evil" (he had only seen slavery at it's "best", but not the harsh conditions like that of the cotton fields and such).

An interesting person, to be sure. And often cited as a great general, though he fought the Civil War like he had the Union's resources and man power, rather than the South's. Worked for a time, but in the end, it was a bust. Especially after Gettysburg.

I'm sure the 66,000 bluecoat dead and wounded incurred during U.S. "butcher" Grant's Overland campaign thought Marse Robert was a bust after Gettysburg also thaiguy.

[clangfield]

MYTH-- The Confederates won the American Civil War and still think they have an identity that has a right to exist.
FACT-- they lost.

Get over it.

[ConfederateSS]

-----Unlike The Knights of The Round Table...Which has faded into History. But represented in CC if you look close enough. The Cont. USA is broken up into regions... Northeast...Northwest...Mid-West...Southwest....And The SOUTH... Some good qualities still exist from the South. Like southern hospitality. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...Both were full of Chivalry........

[warmonger1981]

The Knights of the Round was an allegory with much deeper esoteric meanings than a fictional story.

[AndyDufresne]

-----Unlike The Knights of The Round Table...Which has faded into History. But represented in CC if you look close enough. The Cont. USA is broken up into regions... Northeast...Northwest...Mid-West...Southwest....And The SOUTH... Some good qualities still exist from the South. Like southern hospitality. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...Both were full of Chivalry........

Southeast, Mid-Atlantic, blah blah blah.


--Andy

[ConfederateSS]

The Knights of the Round was an allegory with much deeper esoteric meanings than a fictional story.

-----It is not really known if there was a King Author. But there was a real Order of Knights of the round table. A real life Lance-O-Lot. There is always some bit of truth. No matter how outlandish a story is. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion). I feel the same way Andy...when it comes to breaking down. Collage sports....You couldn't get away with "blank" hospitality anywhere else in the country. I guess you need their accent to pull it off.

[mrswdk]

I watched Ten Years a Slave on the plane and the white guys liked to raep the black women. I guess they did not think they were so different after all.

[a6mzero]

We realize we lost the war. Hard to forget when u live in the only part of the US occupied by a hostile army for 12 years.

[jonesthecurl]

ask some of the Native Americans about that one.

[Army of GOD]

MYTH--The South revered slavery.
FACT--A very interesting fact on slavery is that at the time the War of 1861-1865 officially commenced,the Southern States were actually in process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it's servants in 1859,and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South,a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.

do you have ANY sources for this? not to mention the other 30 points you make without soruces...

[Neoteny]

Confederate history lasted about four years. It was a very short lived state that was defeated by the USA. Why the rednecks around here fly their flag is beyond me.

And it is a shame about Stone Mountain (though the quarrying left much worse scarring than that silly carving. If you live in the US, there's a good chance something near you was built with Stone Mountain granite). It's a nice area to hike around when the weather is bearable, as in not right now.

[tzor]

do you have ANY sources for this? not to mention the other 30 points you make without soruces...

From what I read, his argument is the equivalent of saying that Congress today is in the process of eliminating the debt. Yes there were a few people towards the end of the war who had proposed freeing slaves so they could be used in the army, but this was rejected by all the major slaveholders at the time and it went nowhere.

[a6mzero]

2/18/65 Confederate congress authorized the enlistments of blacks into the southern army. To little to late.

[ConfederateSS]

-----I'll write it hear,but it covers GD and OT... It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority.--Ben.Franklin....
-----The last battle of The Civil War. Was a Confederate Victory!
-----The Star Spangled Banner--was written by a Southerner...
-----Dixie--was written by a Northerner...
-----The Style of this Confederacy shall be"The United States of America." Our country started with the Articles of Confederation. Making us all Confederates. The Sons of Liberty started Americans on the path of being "Rebels". As long as an American walks the face of The Earth. The Honor of being a Rebel/Confederate lives...
-----America hit an entire race with Manifest Destiny....Lincoln used slavery as a tactic. To keep France and England out of the Civil War. From joining the South's cause. Lincoln also argued,it would be "better for us both,therefore,to be separated",when blacks gained their freedom. On a plan for colonization in Central America. To give a preview of what you are about to read. The part of Delaware is most scary. Not to mention Northern and Boarder States were not effected by Lincoln's attempt to free the slaves in the South. No matter what happened. Slavery would have ended. As it was dying out around the world. A Confederate States of America,would have gotten rid of slavery. By the on set of The 20th century. With or without a war...
------------Confederate History---Dispelling the Myths---by The SCV-----
History books,the media,the school systems etc..abound in falsehoods and inaccuracies of Confederate History. This fact sheet will help clarify and dispell some of these rampant inaccuracies.
MYTH--The War of 1861-1865 was fought over slavery.
FACT-- Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession. Lincoln was asked,"Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied,"I can't let them go. Who will pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North. Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the war to repel Northern aggression and invasion.

MYTH--Only Southerners owned slaves.
FACT--Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to,during and even after the War of Northern Aggression. Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865.
U.S. Grant also had several slaves,who were only freed after the 13th Amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn't free his slaves earlier. Grant stated,"Good help is so hard to come by these days."
Contrarily,Confederate General Robert E.LEE freed his slaves(which he never purchased-they were inherited by his wife,none other than George Washington's granddaughter.) in 1862!!! Lee freed his slaves three years before the war was over,and considerably earlier than his Northern counterparts. And during the fierce early days of the war. When the South was obliterating the Yankee armies.
Lastly,and most importantly,why did Northern States outlaw slavery only after the war was over? The so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" of Lincoln only gave freedom to slaves in the South! NOT the North! This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the State of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it(13th Amendment/free the slaves) until 1901!!!
MYTH-- The Confederate Battle Flag was flown on slave ships.
FACT-- NONE of the flags of the Confederacy or the Southern Nation ever flew on a slave ship. Nor did the South own or operate any slave ships. The English,the Dutch and the Portuguese brought slaves to this country,not the South Nation.
But,even more monumental, it is also very important to know and understand that Federal,Yankee,Union ships brought slaves to America! These were from New England States,and their hypocrisy is atrocious.
These Federals were ones that ended up crying the loudest about slavery. But without their ships,many of the slaves would have never arrived here. They made countless fortunes on the delivery of slaves as well as the products made from raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the South.
This is the problem with Yankee history History is overwhelming portrayed incorrectly by most of the Federal & Yankee books and media.
MYTH-- The Confederate Battle Flag represented the South Nation.
FACT-- Not true While the Southern Battle Flag was carried into battle,the Southern Nation had 3 different National Flags during the course of the war.
The First National Flag--was changed due to a resemblance of the US flag.
The Second National Flag--was subsequently modified due to the similarity to a flag of truce.
The Third National Flag--was the adopted flag of the Confederacy.
The Confederate Battle Flag--was never a National Flag of the Confederacy.It was carried into battle by several armies such as the Army of Northern Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. Was also used by a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy.
MYTH--The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the"Stars and Bars".
FACT--A common misconception. The First National Confederate Flag is correctly known as the "Stars and Bars". The Confederate Battle Flag is known as"The Southern Cross".
MYTH--The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today.
FACT--The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A Battle Flag. It was never even a National flag,so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that vilify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.
MYTH--The United States Flag represented freedom.
FACT--No chance.The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years! The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it's commodities. It wasn't until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money. That is the true definition of hypocrisy.
MYTH--Abraham Lincoln was The Great Emancipator.
FACT--While Lincoln has went down in history as the Great Emancipator,many would not care to hear his real thoughts on people of color. Martyred President Abraham Lincoln was fervently making plans to send all freed slaves to the jungles of Central America once the War was over. Knowing that African Society would never allow he slaves to return back to Africa,Lincoln also did not want the slaves in the US. He thought the jungles of Central America would be the best solution and conductive to the freed slaves best interest. The only thing that kept this from happening,was his assassination.
MYTH--The South revered slavery.
FACT--A very interesting fact on slavery is that at the time the War of 1861-1865 officially commenced,the Southern States were actually in process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it's servants in 1859,and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South,a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.
MYTH--The Confederate Army was comprised of rich slave owners.
FACT--Very far from the true. The vast majority of soldiers in the Confederate Army were simple men of meager income. Most of which were hard working farmers and common men. Then,as now,very few rich men ever fight a war.
MYTH--Only the North had men of color in their ranks.
FACT--Quite simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own will ,joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. Additionally,men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental,Mexican&Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride for the South.
Today,many men of color are members in the heritage group SCV--Sons Of Confederate Veterans. These men of color and pride rejoice in their heritage. The continued attacks on the Southern Nation,The Confederacy,and her Symbols are a terrible outrage to these fine people. These attacks should be denounced with as much fervor as those who denounce the South.
MYTH--The Confederate Flags are an authorized symbol of Aryan,KKK and hate groups.
FACT--Quite the contrary. These despicable organizations such as the KKK and the Aryans have taken a hallowed piece of History,and have plagued good Southern folks and the memories of fine Confederate Soldiers that fought under the flag with their perverse agenda. IN NO WAY does the Confederate Flag represent hate or violence. Heritage groups such as the SCV battle daily the damage done to a proud nation by these hate groups. The SCV denounces all hate groups,and pridefully boast HERITAGE---NOT HATE.
MYTH--The SCV--Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a racist hate group.
FACT--This is a blatant attack on one of the finest heritage groups ever. The SCV--Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a Historical,patriotic and non political organization comprised of descendants of Confederate Soldiers and Sailors dedicated to insuring that a true history of the 1861-1865 period is preserved and presented to the public. The SCV continues to educate the public of the memory and reputation of The Confederate Soldiers as well the motives for his suffering and sacrifice. The SCV--Sons Of Confederate Veterans are in NO WAY affiliated with, nor does it recognize or condone the terrible legacy of hate groups such as the KKK.

-----------------On top of That........Lincoln was acting as a dictator........People who were just Freed.....Someone is going to tell them what to do...Where to go...........NOT Lincoln........BUT SOME FREE SLAVES...ON THEIR OWN....DECIDED TO GO BACK TO AFRICA....TO THE COUNTRY OF LIBERIA.....With A Stars and Stripes copy Flag.....WITH ONE STAR...........ONCE AGAIN THEY CHOSE ON THEIR OWN TO GO.........As for Lincoln..........WHERE WOULD FREE SLAVES FROM THE SOUTH WANT TO GO..........NORTH....OF COURSE MOST WOULD WANT TO GO NORTH.......THE NORTH JUST FREED THEM......THAT'S HOW F*CKED UP LINCOLN WAS....HE COULDN'T SEE THAT.........I WILL SEND THEM OUT OF AMERICA ........HELL, CONGRESS COULD OF NEVER PASSED A LAW TO SEND THEM OUT OF THE COUNTRY.......BUT THEY DID PASS THE 14th Amendment .....WHICH WAS MENT TO APPLY TO THE FREE SLAVES.....NOT EVERYONE TODAY........NOT ILLEGAL ALIENS....WHO COME , HAVE A KID ON U.S. SOIL........IT MENT, THOSE BORN IN AMERICA(IN SLAVERY).......FREED....ARE NOW U.S. CITIZENS......THAT'S IT ........... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...
-------------------To that......THE WEST ....Most Confederates went WEST after The War.....They Founded....Started most Cities and Towns out WEST....

[Apatheist]

Two points to note here:
1) You used to be able to write sensibly. Why did you change?
2) You lost. Get over it.

Also worth noting about the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal

...except the black ones, apparently. And the Asians and Latinos...and women, of course.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Two points to note here:
1) You used to be able to write sensibly. Why did you change?
2) You lost. Get over it.

Also worth noting about the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal

...except the black ones, apparently. And the Asians and Latinos...and women, of course.

Now I like you. Lmao