New Jedi Order Mafia MOZ & VONG WIN

jnd94 · Post by **jnd94** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:50 pm

Ok, I have to say that I am thouroughly confuzed about all of this.

I really need to re-read some of these pages.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:58 pm

unvote vote Fircola for reasons stated "yesterday" and nobody else has presented any other scum tells on anyone else that I find believable.

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:00 pm

Neutrino wrote: I seem to recall something about busyness or personal problems (please, correct me if I'm wrong). If this is true, why did you make 18 pages of posts in the last two days? That certainly dosen't sound like the actions of someone pressed for time.

FOS: Fircoal

uh, I never really said there were any personal problems. (Unless you cot being at school while a lot of the activity is going on a personal problem then yes. ) Mainly, it's that on Day 1 and Day 2 there were 10 pages of posts all from when I was at school, and when I got back and could post and argue Zip.

Now it seems to be more balanced.

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:17 pm

I agree with the fact it's a bit odd that Neutrino is suer about there being jedi masons, I also haven't heard much about them being talked about. While it's a good case, I don't think that it's good enough to warrant a vote. Fos: Neutrino

Also I think that Kalish looks a bit scummy, for defending exile in a way. But still he didn't defend him that hard, and he wasn't looking scummy enough that anyone town would vote for him.

As for AK, I agree that he's probably not a jedi or otherwise Firth might be able to replace him. But still I think there is a likely chance that Firth couldn't replace anyone. Also I want to see his response to Wicked's pm claim before I unvote. Also, he's annoying, and I won't be upset at all if he's gone.

Fircoal · Post by **Fircoal** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:19 pm

Talapus wrote: I did like the arguement between Fircoal and AK earlier though...it's the most Fircoal said the whole game which is really saying something for CC's number 1 spammer. HOWEVER, the fact that so much was said after AK's post makes me think that Fircoal is trying to cover for something. So, between freezie and Fircoal right now, Fircoal's got my vote.

Vote - - - - Fircoal

Meh, I had time to talk and there was actually something to talk about when I was on.

Also it had to directly do with me, so it wasn't on subjects that weren't as important to me.

Haven't you read my reasons to why I barely posted before. >.< Hard being a spammer, when you can't post as much everyone notices.

trestain · Post by **trestain** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:49 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:VOTE COUNT
AK Iceman(16) - Wicked, Neutrino, Talapus, Firth, Koesen, Moz, M Lion, Selin, Ga7, Tonka, Nark, Fircoal, Pancake, LSU, Skittles, Trestain

mandalorian2298 wrote:VOTE COUNT
Moz (16) - Talapus, jnd, Freezie, Kalish, Moz, Serbia, Minister Masket, Tonka, Kwanton, Syzygy, Wicked, Firth, Exile, Ga7, Neutrino, Nagerus

just checked the voting records for the 2 lynches that were not scum and only 3 people were on both(bolded) and cross referenced with the only lynch of scum

mandalorian2298 wrote:VOTE COUNT

Exile(12) - Trestain, Huck, Gimpy, Selin, Nagerus, Freezie, Jnd, Fircoal, Pancake, Ga7, Serbia, Tonka,
.

now 2 of the people who voted for both moz and ak also voted for exile. i know wicked is not in the voting record voting exile above but that is the last voting list for day 2 and she did vote for exile in the post after this vote count.

only 1 person voted for both moz and ak and not for exile that was neutrino so

vote neutrino

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:28 pm

Well Tres, I can do nothing but agree with you.

Althought the mason jedis thingy from him could mean he is one of the jedis, could it?

Anyway

Unvote

Vote: Neutrino

Until he clears this.

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:47 pm

VOTE COUNT

Talapus (1) - , MM
Freezie (2) - Nagerus, Tonka
Skittles (1) - Ga7
AK Iceman 2.0 (7) - M Lion, Huck, Selin, Jnd, Serbia, Fircoal
Neutrino (5) - Nark, Kalish, Syzygy, Trestain, Freezie
Fircoal (2) - Talapus, Wicked

With 24 alive it takes 13 to lynch.

kalishnikov · Post by **kalishnikov** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:17 pm

freezie wrote:Well Tres, I can do nothing but agree with you.

Althought the mason jedis thingy from him could mean he is one of the jedis, could it?

Anyway

Unvote

Vote: Neutrino

Until he clears this.

The Jedis don't have any Masonic powers.

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:49 pm

Tres, you can't count the voting record for Moz. He was caught lying about his role, so anyone with 1/2 a brain would've voted him. And IC pulled some annoying shit, so half of those votes were probably out of spite.

Freezie, you're voting Neutrino for the exact same reason we can now vote you, i.e. lack of knowledge about jedi powers. Bit hypocritical eh?

Actually, I've been suspicious of you since you forced my claim, so unvote vote freezie.

MountainLion · Post by **MountainLion** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:16 pm

Mandy's reply to my understanding of Aegnor's role being replaced has made me think I'm barking up the wrong tree.

unvote AK

vote Skoffin be replaced

We are on page 96 and Skoffin has posted 3 times if you don't include confirming her role. Also in those 3 posts she hasn't said anything useful. Nothing personal against Skoffin...it's just that ANY player who is unable to take the time to contribute makes the game difficult because no one could have any clue whatsoever of her possible role or side in this game.

wicked wrote:Tres, you can't count the voting record for Moz. He was caught lying about his role, so anyone with 1/2 a brain would've voted him. And IC pulled some annoying shit, so half of those votes were probably out of spite.

I thought the same thing wicked, however, wouldn't it be true that scum would have no problem voting non-scum?

Meanwhile Neutrino is going to have to explain the masons thing...

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:21 pm

Wicked, I was basicly asking a question. I am confused about that mason jedis thingy.

Although it seems they don't know each others, that is, from what the jedis have said. That is what Neutrino said, am I right?

But my vote was from tres analysis, not from the fact I don't know what everyone is claiming about.

Skoffin · Post by **Skoffin** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:45 pm

MountainLion wrote:

vote Skoffin be replaced

We are on page 96 and Skoffin has posted 3 times if you don't include confirming her role. Also in those 3 posts she hasn't said anything useful. Nothing personal against Skoffin...it's just that ANY player who is unable to take the time to contribute makes the game difficult because no one could have any clue whatsoever of her possible role or side in this game.

That would probably be a good idea, with all the blood tests and check ups I have to do during the week I'm not sure how active I'll be. (When I first joined up I was all 'well and dandy', heh)And depending on my results tomorrow I don't know if I'll be any more active afterwards.
I have half a mind to just roleclaim now to save the bother, and slap Mandy in the face for giving me the role in the first place

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:47 pm

Please do not if it is a power role... Although now it is too late... Whoever replaces you will be killed.... Thanks.

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:35 am

For those of you who think the case on Kalish makes sense but is not enough (with reason IMO), check pg 85 for the same case on Skittles.

(he's been pretty much laying low and flying under the radar ever since, so might as well remind it)

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:25 am

ga7 wrote:For those of you who think the case on Kalish makes sense but is not enough (with reason IMO), check pg 85 for the same case on Skittles.
(he's been pretty much laying low and flying under the radar ever since, so might as well remind it)

You really wana get me, don't ya?

How exactly am I flying under the radar?

The reason I'm not posting is because I have no big reason to post. I have nothing to add and to me the scum are very hard to pick up this game. What's the point of posting if I can't identify or have suspicions of who is scum?

Possibly the most active people are scum. From previous games, I've learnt that scum are normally either active or very active, and hardly ever submarine. If they submarine, who will they know whom to kill that night? If they have a role-blocker, whom will they know to role-block if they don't watch every little detail of everyone's post to guess who might have a night action.

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:32 am

Heheh well I understand your stance, and it's probably better to sit back and distance yourself a bit sometimes instead of jumping around. But the real reason I brought that up is that I was bummed no one reacted to it and thought it might be worth trying again. What can I say, I'm shallow like that

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:33 am

Aww, poor ga7 got no reaction about anything he said about me

trestain · Post by **trestain** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:10 am

wicked wrote:Tres, you can't count the voting record for Moz. He was caught lying about his role, so anyone with 1/2 a brain would've voted him. And IC pulled some annoying shit, so half of those votes were probably out of spite.

I disagree, maybe you would expect there to be a high number of townies on ak and moz's lynches because of these reasons, also any mafia member with half a brain would have been on both those bandwagons as they could say the same as you have done to get away with it. That is not the point i am trying to get across though, the fact is neutrino is the only person who has voted for everyone that is not scum and not voted for the only person that we have lynched that has turned out to be scum.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:47 am

I think trestain's produced a powerful lead against neutrino backed up with evidence. In order to validate this, I had a read through neutrino's recent posts.

Neutrino wrote:This is a very good point. It could easily have been that the endless delays were actually AK waiting until mandy went to sleep, so there was no-one to provide an official votecount.

I'm starting to become more than a little suspiscous of nagerous. He is constantly insisting that we should keep someone who made a 'fake' bandwagon, when this backfired he admitted his initial roleclaim was a lie and then (eventually) provided us with another one, no more trustworthy than the first.

His claim of Han Solo was also odd. Han Solo was a pretty major character in the movies, so it wouldn't take a huge amount of SW knowledge to pick his name out. Also, Han Solo really dosen't strike me as a cop type character. Freelance or third-party, maybe, but certainly not a cop.

FOS Nagerous

Here he is attacking me for defending AK-Iceman after he claimed cop and Han Solo (who wouldn't try and defend him after that claim). This helped the Iceman lynch go through as people were persuaded that we couldn't keep him after his lies.

Neutrino wrote:I don't really get all this anti-Exile hype. As far as I can tell, his only crime is not being a Jedi and some circumstancial evidence for him joining bandwagons. While suspicious to say the least, I don't really think this evidence is worthy of a bandwagon.
Maybe there's something back there that I missed that everyone else found. I'll re-read in the morning.

I'm still more than a little suspicious about Moz' claim. Out of 30 people he gets Han Solo, one of only two names given out that day, and then it turns out his evidence is wrong?

Ssssuuuurrrreeee

FOS: Moz

Here he ignores the exile case but instead tries to put the pressure on moz, although one part that works in his favour is the bit about it not being a crime to not be a jedi, working along his lack of understanding towards the role.

However, its worthy of a vote neutrino but I'd like to hear a defence.

gimpyThewonder · Post by **gimpyThewonder** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:55 am

Using Trestain's evidence i'm going to point a finger in another direction, ga7. He's voted for AK, Moz & Exile. Now i'm sure about now wicked is rolling her eyes at the stupid noob but hear me out. When i played my first mafia game i was told by fellow scum to make sure and vote for fellow scum which gives you plausible deniability. Don't be an early voter, don't hammer, but catch the tail end of the vote so you don't go down w/ the sinking ship. ga7 has done that on every vote, not too early to be suspected of bandwagoning but towards the end to avoid notice. Now he keeps bringing up cases on others w/ little substance hoping to get something going there. so...
vote ga7

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:44 am

Oh the irony.
Concerning the weaker leads, I think I already stated for me Neut is the weaker one. I might be the only one thinking that way (which doesn't really look so right now), but that doesn't change my conviction.
About the vote position, what a bunch of bollocks. In this game I often find 10 pages and bandwagons formed overnight when I check in. Do you really think I have any control on when my vote goes along the wagons? This tell might work in smaller, less fast-paced games, but for this one it's nonsense. Besides, if I recall well, it's not true either. I was one of the first to vote Ak again after his "almost lynch", partly based on Moz' lies, partly on his own.
So, you're accusing me of not going along with a little consensus, and voting one townie, one scum, one lyncher (all liars), but not at a right time. Fine, I'll admit that.

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:02 am

Frankly, I'm supprised at the amount of momentum that can be built up from a relititively innocent statement, like "Jedi function like masons". How can this possibly be construed as a scumtell?

I admit, though, that I didn't do as much re-reading as I should have to check the accuracy of my statement (ie. any); at the time it didn't feel like I had too. I recalled one of the self confessed Jedi's saying something about mason communication and the idea itself made sence (the Jedi can sence eachother through the Force). Unfortunatly, my recollection and logic were faulty.

Still, why the bandwagon? How can some light skimming in a 100 pg thread and shoddy logic ever be considered scummy?

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:00 am

freezie wrote:Wicked, I was basicly asking a question. I am confused about that mason jedis thingy.

Although it seems they don't know each others, that is, from what the jedis have said. That is what Neutrino said, am I right?

But my vote was from tres analysis, not from the fact I don't know what everyone is claiming about.

exactly my point. you don't know how jedis are operating, which is the same reason you stated for voting Neutrino!

wicked · Post by **wicked** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:03 am

gimpyThewonder wrote:Using Trestain's evidence i'm going to point a finger in another direction, ga7. He's voted for AK, Moz & Exile. Now i'm sure about now wicked is rolling her eyes at the stupid noob but hear me out. When i played my first mafia game i was told by fellow scum to make sure and vote for fellow scum which gives you plausible deniability. Don't be an early voter, don't hammer, but catch the tail end of the vote so you don't go down w/ the sinking ship. ga7 has done that on every vote, not too early to be suspected of bandwagoning but towards the end to avoid notice. Now he keeps bringing up cases on others w/ little substance hoping to get something going there. so...
vote ga7

exactly gimpy. scum vote scum to get their names on the voting records. it's common sense. I was actually rolling my eyes at tres for conveniently forgetting this well-known fact.