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Not necessarily. Why couldn't there be an infinite amount of universes that never interact? It's perfectly reasonable.Titanic wrote:I dont believe in parallel universes, its just not believable that for every action we take theres another universe which has been created. Also, does this extend to all living creatures, and then also to all extraterrestrials? That means billions of universes are being created every second, which is beyond realism.

I also dont get the bit that every action create a new universe. How does whether I eat a Jaffa Cake or not before I go to sleep change anything. Apart from the 5 seconds it takes to eat it, everything in the world in going to be the same, and the future will not change at all. So, because most actions that people take do not change anything long term, a lot of the universes will be the same.OnlyAmbrose wrote:Not necessarily. Why couldn't there be an infinite amount of universes that never interact? It's perfectly reasonable.Titanic wrote:I dont believe in parallel universes, its just not believable that for every action we take theres another universe which has been created. Also, does this extend to all living creatures, and then also to all extraterrestrials? That means billions of universes are being created every second, which is beyond realism.
I don't buy into the parallel universe theory because I'm a Christian and there is and (so far as I can imagine) never will be any empirical evidence for parallel universes.
Who EVER said every actions you take create a parallel universe? As far as I know, we don't even know if they exist or not.Titanic wrote:I also dont get the bit that every action create a new universe. How does whether I eat a Jaffa Cake or not before I go to sleep change anything. Apart from the 5 seconds it takes to eat it, everything in the world in going to be the same, and the future will not change at all. So, because most actions that people take do not change anything long term, a lot of the universes will be the same.OnlyAmbrose wrote:Not necessarily. Why couldn't there be an infinite amount of universes that never interact? It's perfectly reasonable.Titanic wrote:I dont believe in parallel universes, its just not believable that for every action we take theres another universe which has been created. Also, does this extend to all living creatures, and then also to all extraterrestrials? That means billions of universes are being created every second, which is beyond realism.
I don't buy into the parallel universe theory because I'm a Christian and there is and (so far as I can imagine) never will be any empirical evidence for parallel universes.
Also, does making a decision in a parallel universe also create another parallel universe?

The Infinite-universes-that-can't-interact (probably has a better name somewhere) theory is also a good non-Creationist explanation as to why the universe is as it is (fear the might of the weak anthropic principle!)OnlyAmbrose wrote:Not necessarily. Why couldn't there be an infinite amount of universes that never interact? It's perfectly reasonable.Titanic wrote:I dont believe in parallel universes, its just not believable that for every action we take theres another universe which has been created. Also, does this extend to all living creatures, and then also to all extraterrestrials? That means billions of universes are being created every second, which is beyond realism.
I don't buy into the parallel universe theory because I'm a Christian and there is and (so far as I can imagine) never will be any empirical evidence for parallel universes.
Ever see the two Scrubs episodes about this topic? Very funny, but also makes an excellent point about how your actions effect things in the future that you can't imagine.Titanic wrote:I also dont get the bit that every action create a new universe. How does whether I eat a Jaffa Cake or not before I go to sleep change anything. Apart from the 5 seconds it takes to eat it, everything in the world in going to be the same, and the future will not change at all. So, because most actions that people take do not change anything long term, a lot of the universes will be the same.OnlyAmbrose wrote:Not necessarily. Why couldn't there be an infinite amount of universes that never interact? It's perfectly reasonable.Titanic wrote:I dont believe in parallel universes, its just not believable that for every action we take theres another universe which has been created. Also, does this extend to all living creatures, and then also to all extraterrestrials? That means billions of universes are being created every second, which is beyond realism.
I don't buy into the parallel universe theory because I'm a Christian and there is and (so far as I can imagine) never will be any empirical evidence for parallel universes.
Also, does making a decision in a parallel universe also create another parallel universe?
Anytime we expend energy in the Universe, we in turn are affecting other events somewhere else. When you move, don't think of it as moving, rather think of your entire make up (and the Universe's) as a complex system of theater lights (sounds weird, huh?). You, from your macro-perspective, are able to see movement as you think they may be really happening, while from the micro-perspective you would see a totally different system at play. When I say theater lights, I mean the ones that blink off and on and they look like only one light is moving around the theater sign. The same concept is happening whenever you move a finger or a cup of coffee, the difference is that that movement is shooting energy into other Universes.Titanic wrote:I also dont get the bit that every action create a new universe. How does whether I eat a Jaffa Cake or not before I go to sleep change anything. Apart from the 5 seconds it takes to eat it, everything in the world in going to be the same, and the future will not change at all. So, because most actions that people take do not change anything long term, a lot of the universes will be the same.OnlyAmbrose wrote:Not necessarily. Why couldn't there be an infinite amount of universes that never interact? It's perfectly reasonable.Titanic wrote:I dont believe in parallel universes, its just not believable that for every action we take theres another universe which has been created. Also, does this extend to all living creatures, and then also to all extraterrestrials? That means billions of universes are being created every second, which is beyond realism.
I don't buy into the parallel universe theory because I'm a Christian and there is and (so far as I can imagine) never will be any empirical evidence for parallel universes.
Also, does making a decision in a parallel universe also create another parallel universe?
A very good point. I came to the same conclusion a few years ago when I first read a book on the theory. It seems plausible, and the idea of a lack of individuality is a bit frightening, but what would we do if there were parallel universes? Go on about our lives of course.Iliad wrote:My view of the parallel universe is indifferent. It is something I can easily imagine and believe in but since there is and never can be any proof of it I don't.It's an interesting idea but it doesn't affect us at all
I agree that if you say "it doesn't affect us at all" by meaning the belief in such said system, but, however, the system does affect us whether you choose to believe in it or not. I do not agree with you that there can never be proof. Simply, since the laws of the Universe state that any probabilty of an event happening, despite the odds against its improbability, that that event must at sometime, somewhere take place. So, since quantum mechanics can attribute the possibility of parallel universes through mathematics; then it also stands to reason that at sometime, we would figure some way of traveling or observing such parallel universe's. The time may have yet to occur, but yet might have occurred somewhere else other than here.Iliad wrote:My view of the parallel universe is indifferent. It is something I can easily imagine and believe in but since there is and never can be any proof of it I don't.It's an interesting idea but it doesn't affect us at all

Well the whole idea is that the universes were proven by quantumphysics, which isn't actually predictable.unriggable wrote:This is what I think:
Every action happens because of atomic alignment causes it to happen. If I drop a coke bottle, the precise timing of electric signals being sent to my brain and back will not allow me to catch it in time to hit the ground. A motorcyclist and a car, as used in the example, will always have their atoms aligned in such a way that one common result is inevitable. If the scenarios are identical (where atoms are, where energy is flowing), the results are identical.
This is just a guess, I'm most likely wrong. But my POV has been that way sicne I heard of the theory.
Isn't it rather a major part of Quantum Physics that it is impossible to replicate circumstances exactly? Uncertainty principle and all...unriggable wrote:This is what I think:
Every action happens because of atomic alignment causes it to happen. If I drop a coke bottle, the precise timing of electric signals being sent to my brain and back will not allow me to catch it in time to hit the ground. A motorcyclist and a car, as used in the example, will always have their atoms aligned in such a way that one common result is inevitable. If the scenarios are identical (where atoms are, where energy is flowing), the results are identical.
This is just a guess, I'm most likely wrong. But my POV has been that way sicne I heard of the theory.
Assuming you could, with energy being properly placed and half-lives and masses and temperatures being perfectly identical, I think you'd get the same result.Neutrino wrote:Isn't it rather a major part of Quantum Physics that it is impossible to replicate circumstances exactly? Uncertainty principle and all...unriggable wrote:This is what I think:
Every action happens because of atomic alignment causes it to happen. If I drop a coke bottle, the precise timing of electric signals being sent to my brain and back will not allow me to catch it in time to hit the ground. A motorcyclist and a car, as used in the example, will always have their atoms aligned in such a way that one common result is inevitable. If the scenarios are identical (where atoms are, where energy is flowing), the results are identical.
This is just a guess, I'm most likely wrong. But my POV has been that way sicne I heard of the theory.

Well yes, if you did manage to violate the Uncertainty principle (fairly massively) you should be able to create the exact same circumstances.unriggable wrote:
Assuming you could, with energy being properly placed and half-lives and masses and temperatures being perfectly identical, I think you'd get the same result.
And the same result. Of course this is impossible to replicate, but were it possible then from my guess you'd get the same result. One situation - one result. My reason for a linear, not-necessarily-planned but guided universe.Neutrino wrote:Well yes, if you did manage to violate the Uncertainty principle (fairly massively) you should be able to create the exact same circumstances.unriggable wrote:
Assuming you could, with energy being properly placed and half-lives and masses and temperatures being perfectly identical, I think you'd get the same result.

Since the every movement of every atom and electron in the universe makes a difference, if and only if you got every particle in our universe doing the same thing as the universe you wish to replicated could you have exactly the same results. Titanic's jaffa cake may cause the annihalation of an alien species. If a computer could estimate this motion, we could predict the future.unriggable wrote:And the same result. Of course this is impossible to replicate, but were it possible then from my guess you'd get the same result. One situation - one result. My reason for a linear, not-necessarily-planned but guided universe.Neutrino wrote:Well yes, if you did manage to violate the Uncertainty principle (fairly massively) you should be able to create the exact same circumstances.unriggable wrote:
Assuming you could, with energy being properly placed and half-lives and masses and temperatures being perfectly identical, I think you'd get the same result.
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