Cheating to get to conqueror

[DiM]

first of all please no flaming in this thread. i want to keep a simple and civilized discussion without the fear of having a mod lock this thread.

so what's the problem?

as everybody knows skyT has been accused of "bending" the rules to get to #1 spot. he's been playing on 3 accounts at the same time (baby sitting taken to extreme). all he received was a warning.
now the #2 on the scoreboard (krusher) is accused of secret alliances with several people that helped him win games. so far the accusations seem pretty solid, nothing has been decided yet but from what i suspect i think he will also receive a warning and maybe a block from playing with his accomplices.

what i find outrageous is that a person can cheat, get to #1 and receive just a warning. how's that possible? why is this permitted?

from what i see this is an open invitation to everybody that wants to cheat to simply do it. at the end you get a warning but you get to keep your points.

right now i feel like asking my wife and a friend to make an account and give them to me so i can control a whole triple team. or ask them to join my standard games and suicide on others.
i bet in 1 month i'll be conqueror.

why are the mods so lenient on this? what do you think the first impression of a person that just joined the site is? if he comes to the forums and stumbles upon the skyT or krusher threads he'll immediately see cheating is ok.

if a guy cheats he should not receive just a warning he should be banned and deleted simple as that. instead he is told: " hey mate we know you cheat so this is a warning, you can wipe your but with it cause it's worthless you just keep cheating and perhaps we'll give you another warning when you get to 5000 points"

a simple warning with an optional blocking of certain players is not enough in my opinion. not even a score reset should be sufficient. simple banning is the way to do it.

i really don't understand the reasons for the mod actions, perhaps they fear that banning the #1 would hurt the image of CC because the top guy is a proven cheat? i think silently allowing him to stay there hurts CC even more.

i've played online games for lots of years and one thing i always hated was cheating. i never understood why people would cheat in an online game. that's why every game i join i look around and see how cheating/bending the rules is possible then take every action i can to stop it. if i can't then i leave. believe me i've see great games be completely destroyed by cheaters, game i would have loved to play in normal and fair conditions. but i have also seen games where cheating is taken seriously and no matter how high you are on the scoreboard or if you're a mod you are banned at the first sign of cheating. i know of a real case when a mod was banned because in his first months of playing he cheated then he stopped played fairly became a mod and then got busted.

again please don't flame or talk off topic. the discussion is not about skyT or krusher but about the way cheating is handled here, so please don't post anything about them either.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

ok, no flame here

I personally think SkyT was doing a little more than making random moves. I think he was actually setting the games up too with all 3 accounts with full intention of playing all 3 accounts.

My son has asked me to set up an account. I of course told him no because I can only imagine what course of action would immediately be taken. Would this be fair to us if we wanted to play a team game with one another? Of course not, but yet so many times the acusation of players cheating were cleared because the excuse of family members using the same IP was permitted.

I personally think there should be an auto block from every player doing this.

[comic boy]

I think to be fair to the Mods it would have been difficult to penalise SkyT
because ,although pushing the rules to an unacceptable limit , it didnt quite constitute cheating as defined in the rules at that time. As for Krusher it remains to be seen what action will be taken though its hard to see how persuading people to throw games can possibly be acceptable.
Your general point however is very well made, if there is a perception that one has to bend rules to get to the top then clearly the integrity of the site will suffer, stiffer penalties should certainly be considered.
The consoling thought is that we are not stupid, cheats may prosper in one respect but we know who they are and we categorise them accordingly - being number one would mean little to me if everybody despised my means of getting there and treated me with contempt.

[DiM]

I think to be fair to the Mods it would have been difficult to penalise SkyT
because ,although pushing the rules to an unacceptable limit , it didnt quite constitute cheating as defined in the rules at that time.

actually the rules are like this:

Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games, intentional deadbeating, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts.

skyT is/was falling under the "gross abuse" category and even though in the rules there's nothing about specific punishments i believe that he could have been banned easily without a problem.

As for Krusher it remains to be seen what action will be taken though its hard to see how persuading people to throw games can possibly be acceptable.

actually it's like this, if skyT was warned then there's no way krusher will receive more than a warning. if he did it would be pretty unfair. i mean skyT even admitted to his cheating and he got away and skyT was/is doing something much more than sending pms requesting people to suicide, he was actually controlling 3 accounts which is very close to being a multi.

Your general point however is very well made, if there is a perception that one has to bend rules to get to the top then clearly the integrity of the site will suffer, stiffer penalties should certainly be considered.

exactly, if more and more top ranks are proven to be doing something illegal or close to illegal and escape from punishment then more and more people will understand that cheating/bending the rules is ok. i have several friends that joined CC then quit i can simply ask them to pass their accounts onto me and then i'll cheat my way to the top. different accounts made by different people on different dates. it's clear i'm not a multi but an "honest" sitter that helps his friends.

The consoling thought is that we are not stupid, cheats may prosper in one respect but we know who they are and we categorise them accordingly - being number one would mean little to me if everybody despised my means of getting there and treated me with contempt.

that's the difference between you and the people who want to get to #1 by every means necessary, you have dignity and respect others don't.

not to mention the cheating problems comes on top of the older problem of higher ranks only playing doubs and trips to keep their rank or freestyle abusing noobs and so on. there's a lot of pressure at the top and to remain there you either have to be really good or find a way of cheating/abusing/bending the rules.

this really hurts the image of CC. because if a new guy looks around he'll think CC actually promotes cheating/abusing/bending the rules by allowing those that do it to keep their points and continue playing.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

I think to be fair to the Mods it would have been difficult to penalise SkyT
because ,although pushing the rules to an unacceptable limit , it didnt quite constitute cheating as defined in the rules at that time.

actually the rules are like this:

Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games, intentional deadbeating, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts.

skyT is/was falling under the "gross abuse" category and even though in the rules there's nothing about specific punishments i believe that he could have been banned easily without a problem.

As for Krusher it remains to be seen what action will be taken though its hard to see how persuading people to throw games can possibly be acceptable.

actually it's like this, if skyT was warned then there's no way krusher will receive more than a warning. if he did it would be pretty unfair. i mean skyT even admitted to his cheating and he got away and skyT was/is doing something much more than sending pms requesting people to suicide, he was actually controlling 3 accounts which is very close to being a multi.

Your general point however is very well made, if there is a perception that one has to bend rules to get to the top then clearly the integrity of the site will suffer, stiffer penalties should certainly be considered.

exactly, if more and more top ranks are proven to be doing something illegal or close to illegal and escape from punishment then more and more people will understand that cheating/bending the rules is ok. i have several friends that joined CC then quit i can simply ask them to pass their accounts onto me and then i'll cheat my way to the top. different accounts made by different people on different dates. it's clear i'm not a multi but an "honest" sitter that helps his friends.

The consoling thought is that we are not stupid, cheats may prosper in one respect but we know who they are and we categorise them accordingly - being number one would mean little to me if everybody despised my means of getting there and treated me with contempt.

that's the difference between you and the people who want to get to #1 by every means necessary, you have dignity and respect others don't.

not to mention the cheating problems comes on top of the older problem of higher ranks only playing doubs and trips to keep their rank or freestyle abusing noobs and so on. there's a lot of pressure at the top and to remain there you either have to be really good or find a way of cheating/abusing/bending the rules.

this really hurts the image of CC. because if a new guy looks around he'll think CC actually promotes cheating/abusing/bending the rules by allowing those that do it to keep their points and continue playing.

again, no flame

high ranks only play doubles/triples/freestyles/noobs?

so your saying the only game high ranks can play is singles/6 player/escalating against other high ranks or there is some kinda of cheating, abuse, or just playing for points ?

I stated this the other day. That is what is unique about this site. There are many game types to play and there are going to be game types to your liking. I dont understand why everything thinks you must play single/6 player/escalating games to become the best player here. Who came to this conclusion that this is the only game style that is considered the leet style?

[DiM]

again, no flame

high ranks only play doubles/triples/freestyles/noobs?

so your saying the only game high ranks can play is singles/6 player/escalating or there is some kinda of cheating, abuse, or just playing for points ?

I stated this the other day. That is what is unique about this site. There are many game types to play and there are going to be game types to your liking. I dont understand why everything thinks you must play single/6 player/escalating games to become the best player here. Who came to this conclusion that this is the only game style that is considered the leet style?

no you misinterpreted what i said.

here let me rephrase that.

we already have a problem because it is common belief that top players either play only doubs trips or freestyle abuse noobs, in order to mantain their high score. so on top of this problem we get another one where the top 2 ranks are found to be doing something really shady.

imagine a new player coming into the game and asking around what does he have to do to get to a high rank. he is invariably told to play team games with reliable partners. so right from the start his many options are cut short, then he sees that 2 "suspected cheaters" are at the top of the scoreboard. what will that guy think? "hey i can play all kinds of gametypes and various setting and i'll get to #1 without abusing and cheating" OR " wtf is this? let me start some multi accounts so i can get there faster and pretend i'm sitting for my girlfriend and my dog"

at the moment getting to the top is impossible if you play all ranks all maps all settings. it's simply impossible so in order to get higher and higher you have to be more and more selective.
at first you start removing lower ranks. then you get more selective about game types and settings, then refine a bit more until you find something that suits you, and when you can't make it any further you start cheating/bending the rules/abusing. if the first few steps are somewhat understandable then the last one is totally unacceptable.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

again, no flame

high ranks only play doubles/triples/freestyles/noobs?

so your saying the only game high ranks can play is singles/6 player/escalating or there is some kinda of cheating, abuse, or just playing for points ?

I stated this the other day. That is what is unique about this site. There are many game types to play and there are going to be game types to your liking. I dont understand why everything thinks you must play single/6 player/escalating games to become the best player here. Who came to this conclusion that this is the only game style that is considered the leet style?

no you misinterpreted what i said.

here let me rephrase that.

we already have a problem because it is common belief that top players either play only doubs trips or freestyle abuse noobs, in order to mantain their high score. so on top of this problem we get another one where the top 2 ranks are found to be doing something really shady.

imagine a new player coming into the game and asking around what does he have to do to get to a high rank. he is invariably told to play team games with reliable partners. so right from the start his many options are cut short, then he sees that 2 "suspected cheaters" are at the top of the scoreboard. what will that guy think? "hey i can play all kinds of gametypes and various setting and i'll get to #1 without abusing and cheating" OR " wtf is this? let me start some multi accounts so i can get there faster and pretend i'm sitting for my girlfriend and my dog"

at the moment getting to the top is impossible if you play all ranks all maps all settings. it's simply impossible so in order to get higher and higher you have to be more and more selective.
at first you start removing lower ranks. then you get more selective about game types and settings, then refine a bit more until you find something that suits you, and when you can't make it any further you start cheating/bending the rules/abusing. if the first few steps are somewhat understandable then the last one is totally unacceptable.

I disagree with that

I play:

no card/escalating/flate rate
seq/freestyle
singles/doubles/triples
1-6 player games
all ranks ( nothing over 3,000 recently )

I just went from 2,300 to 3,300 points in the last 2 weeks.

but that could be an isolated example

[hwhrhett]

i think these are only temporary problems dim, at the time the skyt issue was kind of a grey area, although now there is precidence and i believe that it would be treated with more than a warning if it happened in the future.

and i think that they will be much harder on krusher, i suspect he will be stripped of his premium, and probably get a points reset. he broke rules that have already been well defined.

and of late it looks like skyt has switched to sequential, probably to prove that hes not a 1 trick pony.

[alex_white101]

I disagree with that

I play:

no card/escalating/flate rate
seq/freestyle
singles/doubles/triples
1-6 player games
all ranks ( nothing over 3,000 recently )

I just went from 2,300 to 3,300 points in the last 2 weeks.

but that could be an isolated example

you say that as if you play them in equal proportion, or as if you will play anyone at all of these settings which of course is false. you play hundreds of times more triples than other game types.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

absolutely

I play more triples since that is what I enjoy the most. I dislike singles/6 player games and only play them if invited.

[alex_white101]

absolutely

I play more triples since that is what I enjoy the most. I dislike singles/6 player games and only play them if invited.

hence its ridiculous to claim that its easy to play a wide variety of games and have a high score........ which is the point you were trying to make.

[Dancing Mustard]

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

my ratio for playing triples is over 50%. So yes, it would make it the most.

I would break down my 5,500 games as follows:

60%- triples
30%- singles
10%- doubles

( rough estimate )

[Visaoni]

I think to be fair to the Mods it would have been difficult to penalise SkyT
because ,although pushing the rules to an unacceptable limit , it didnt quite constitute cheating as defined in the rules at that time.

actually the rules are like this:

Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games, intentional deadbeating, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts.

skyT is/was falling under the "gross abuse" category and even though in the rules there's nothing about specific punishments i believe that he could have been banned easily without a problem.

I can't say I remember perfectly, but weren't the unwritten rules redone recently? As in, after the SkyT thing was over?

Also, just banning any high rank is asking for trouble. The people of this community are very vocal about their opinions. If they see that anybody at high ranks that does anything that can be construed as cheating (and you can be sure as hell it will be if your at the top) then what are they going to think?

There is a point where 'strict' turns to 'fascist'. I doubt lack wants to have his site feel like Nazi Germany. To use your example of a 'good anti-cheaters policy' where the mod who was behaving himself for some time still got banned for an earlier infraction is just insane. It's obvious he was good for the community if he became a mod, and if his cheating had all been in the past I think it was bullshit to ban him. We don't need the feeling on the site where if you screwed up once in the past, or somebody even suspects of you of bending the rules, that your probably going to get banned.

The high ranks should be treated like any other CC'er because that is exactly what they are. Just another CC addict, only they happen to have a lot of points.

I also think your argument that new people will come here, see the top ranks accused of cheating or bending the rules, and then do it themselves is plain stupid. A cheater is going to cheat, and a non-cheater isn't going to cheat. It's that simple. This day and age everybody is aware of the possibility of cheating, and chances are they made up their mind about it the first time they encountered it. They will or they won't, what the top ranks do will not influence them anymore than somebody else.

When somebody is actively promoting cheating? Sure, go after them. Until then, stop crusading.


As usual, DM has the most intelligent post of the thread, even if he just used a picture this time.

[DiM]

at the moment getting to the top is impossible if you play all ranks all maps all settings. it's simply impossible so in order to get higher and higher you have to be more and more selective.
at first you start removing lower ranks. then you get more selective about game types and settings, then refine a bit more until you find something that suits you, and when you can't make it any further you start cheating/bending the rules/abusing. if the first few steps are somewhat understandable then the last one is totally unacceptable.

I disagree with that

I play:

no card/escalating/flate rate
seq/freestyle
singles/doubles/triples
1-6 player games
all ranks ( nothing over 3,000 recently )

I just went from 2,300 to 3,300 points in the last 2 weeks.

but that could be an isolated example

yes you do play those game but in what proportion? and have you played all maps? or have you played all setting against all ranks?
no. plus you have a well know reputation of bending the freestyle rules and forcing the other player to miss his turn. that's abuse and no longer possible due to the recent rule changes.

also i don't see you playing too many 6p sequential standard games do i?
in fact the last one you've played is from 5 months ago.
why? because despite the decent winning percentage (20-30%) you had on that gametype it was nowhere near enough to get you points profit especially since many of those games were against privates or cooks. so you see 5 months ago you made a decision and gave up that kind of games in order to progress on the scoreboard. if you had kept playing those games with a 30% win rate against cooks and privates you would have lost huge points. and while i don't blame you for this cause it's very understandable, it does prove my point that playing all ranks on all maps and settings without abusing will not get you the #1 spot on the scoreboard.

[DiM]

i think these are only temporary problems dim, at the time the skyt issue was kind of a grey area, although now there is precidence and i believe that it would be treated with more than a warning if it happened in the future.

and i think that they will be much harder on krusher, i suspect he will be stripped of his premium, and probably get a points reset. he broke rules that have already been well defined.

and of late it looks like skyt has switched to sequential, probably to prove that hes not a 1 trick pony.

i doubt this is temporary. i really doubt it. what's stopping me now from cheating my way to the top? i can't be banned because that would be preferential treatment to those that received just a warning, and once i get there i'm satisfied with taking a screenshot of my conqueror crown and then i'll give up cheating.
the fact that skyt changed to sequential doesn't prove anything or make him any less guilty he has gaine points by cheating and the fact that he was allowed to keep those points is wrong, actually the fact that he was allowed to continue playing at all is wrong.

you say it wasn't in the rules. well does that mean that if i come up with a cheating method that's not in the rules i'll be allowed to do it? i truly hope not. in my opinion skyt should have been given a score reset and a block to play with his other accounts. but because the rules weren't very clear on that area he shouldn't have been banned but if any other player does it again a straight ban should be enforced.

[flexmaster33]

I think there are plenty of players that need to share a computer to play whether it's husband and wife of father and kid, and I think most do this fairly. It would be a shame to throw a blanket over everyone to catch the few cheats that are out there. I think the mods and other players do a good job finding the cheats, but I agree when found that the penalty should be stiffer maybe all the way to banishment if necessary.

[DiM]

I can't say I remember perfectly, but weren't the unwritten rules redone recently? As in, after the SkyT thing was over?

i'm not sure either but i think they were before skyt puled his trick. and even if they weren't, as i explained in the post above, he should have been given a point reset+block of playing with his other accounts. he should have been spared the ban because the rules where unclear but nevertheless a point reset + block should have been enforced. be basically found a loop in the rules cheated his way to #1 then when everything was found out he was given just a warning.

as i also mentioned i've been in many online games and many of them have something like this:

if you find any form of bug/loophole that will grant you unmerited awards you are advised to report that bug/loophole or punitive measures can/will be taken against you.

let's go back in time when a guy (can't remember his name) wanted to get to score 1 in order to get lots and lots of points from a win. what if that situation was not discovered in time and he actually would have gotten let's say a million points. do you think he would have been allowed to keep them? i highly doubt it. i believe he would have been given an immediate reset despite not cheating.

Also, just banning any high rank is asking for trouble. The people of this community are very vocal about their opinions. If they see that anybody at high ranks that does anything that can be construed as cheating (and you can be sure as hell it will be if your at the top) then what are they going to think?

why banning a high rank is trouble but banning a low rank is ok?
any cheater should be banned regardless of rank.

There is a point where 'strict' turns to 'fascist'. I doubt lack wants to have his site feel like Nazi Germany. To use your example of a 'good anti-cheaters policy' where the mod who was behaving himself for some time still got banned for an earlier infraction is just insane. It's obvious he was good for the community if he became a mod, and if his cheating had all been in the past I think it was bullshit to ban him. We don't need the feeling on the site where if you screwed up once in the past, or somebody even suspects of you of bending the rules, that your probably going to get banned.

that guy cheated with multiple accounts in his early days. because he cheated he gain a big advantage over other players. then he stoped. it was a one time thing that gave him enough in game credits to be able to get good players for his team and stuff like that. he basically gained in 1 season what others gained in ~4 and thus managed to promote his team fast (it was a soccer management game).

even if he became a mod that doesn't change the situation that other players had to suffer from his actions.

if i kill a guy and then become a very good priest honest and helpfull for my community. after 10 years my murder is uncovered. should i be forgiven for my murder and not go to jail?

The high ranks should be treated like any other CC'er because that is exactly what they are. Just another CC addict, only they happen to have a lot of points.

yes they have a lot of points but if those points come from cheating then punishment is a must.

I also think your argument that new people will come here, see the top ranks accused of cheating or bending the rules, and then do it themselves is plain stupid. A cheater is going to cheat, and a non-cheater isn't going to cheat. It's that simple. This day and age everybody is aware of the possibility of cheating, and chances are they made up their mind about it the first time they encountered it. They will or they won't, what the top ranks do will not influence them anymore than somebody else.

actually you're wrong here. there are 3 types of users.
1. cheaters. will do it anytime on any game
2. non-cheaters. they won't cheat even if everybody does it and they'd rather leave a game where everybody cheats rather than stay and join them
3. other users. they generally don't cheat but if they join a game where people cheat constantly and they realize the only way of being first is to cheat then they will do it.

what we have here is a player that got to #1 by doing something illegal. if a guy in the 3rd category sees he did that and he escaped then he will surely do it. it's like showing everybody how to cheat and get away with it.

When somebody is actively promoting cheating? Sure, go after them. Until then, stop crusading.

actively passively i don't care.

if lack fires all the multihunters tomorrow and he gets rid of the no multi rule then everybody will cheat. will he actively promote cheating? no. but he will promote it by simply no dealing with it. let's face it people are inclined to cheat in online games and strict rules are needed. not punishing a cheater is almost as bad as telling him to cheat.

[krusher]

you people have flamed me and used me as an example of cheating with no real evidence I'm still innocent until proven guilty also if you read what I posted in the other thread you will see that even if me and irish had secret alliance I still came out with a negative % of points which is evidence enough that I earned the points to get to where I am today and could easily won it with or without Irish or any one else I know this aint supposed to be a flame war but throwing my name out there as a cheater is not right most of you have never played a game with me and the ones who have dont see my good side only question how the hell did I get my rank without cheating?

I played 500 games, only 17 of those have been games with blackirish (3.4% of my total games). I won only 7 of those thats 1.4% of my total games. and only 0.4% wins out of my current 62% wins. I win an average of 43 points per game and lose an average of 33 when I lose. if you add that up it comes down to 301 points gained and 330 points lost which is a total point loss of 29 points now explain to me how we had a secret alliance when I actually came out of the games in total with a loss of 29 points it does not add up we would have to be mentally challenged to have a secret alliance and still come out with negative 29 points, usually people make secret alliances to gain points not to lose them...

[comic boy]

you people have flamed me and used me as an example of cheating with no real evidence I'm still innocent until proven guilty also if you read what I posted in the other thread you will see that even if me and irish had secret alliance I still came out with a negative % of points which is evidence enough that I earned the points to get to where I am today and could easily won it with or without Irish or any one else I know this aint supposed to be a flame war but throwing my name out there as a cheater is not right most of you have never played a game with me and the ones who have dont see my good side only question how the hell did I get my rank without cheating?

I played 500 games, only 17 of those have been games with blackirish (3.4% of my total games). I won only 7 of those thats 1.4% of my total games. and only 0.4% wins out of my current 62% wins. I win an average of 43 points per game and lose an average of 33 when I lose. if you add that up it comes down to 301 points gained and 330 points lost which is a total point loss of 29 points now explain to me how we had a secret alliance when I actually came out of the games in total with a loss of 29 points it does not add up we would have to be mentally challenged to have a secret alliance and still come out with negative 29 points, usually people make secret alliances to gain points not to lose them...

You reap what you sow !

[ParadiceCity9]

you people have flamed me and used me as an example of cheating with no real evidence I'm still innocent until proven guilty also if you read what I posted in the other thread you will see that even if me and irish had secret alliance I still came out with a negative % of points which is evidence enough that I earned the points to get to where I am today and could easily won it with or without Irish or any one else I know this aint supposed to be a flame war but throwing my name out there as a cheater is not right most of you have never played a game with me and the ones who have dont see my good side only question how the hell did I get my rank without cheating?

one hell of a run-on sentence.

[rebelman]

I played 500 games, only 17 of those have been games with blackirish (3.4% of my total games). I won only 7 of those thats 1.4% of my total games. and only 0.4% wins out of my current 62% wins. I win an average of 43 points per game and lose an average of 33 when I lose. if you add that up it comes down to 301 points gained and 330 points lost which is a total point loss of 29 points now explain to me how we had a secret alliance when I actually came out of the games in total with a loss of 29 points it does not add up we would have to be mentally challenged to have a secret alliance and still come out with negative 29 points, usually people make secret alliances to gain points not to lose them...

further proof i have no life i just checked this -29 claim by krusher

game no pts gain/loss
1214726 -43
1214438 +39
1209376 -29
1208980 +46
1208483 +49
1202416 +42
1190624 -46
1190399 -53
1190233 -28
1184710 +7
1184469 +41
1183908 -38
1183650 -41
1180708 +43
1180496 +55
939447 -42
929753 +37
914780 -20

Total gain 19pts in these games

[Visaoni]

you people have flamed me and used me as an example of cheating with no real evidence I'm still innocent until proven guilty also if you read what I posted in the other thread you will see that even if me and irish had secret alliance I still came out with a negative % of points which is evidence enough that I earned the points to get to where I am today and could easily won it with or without Irish or any one else I know this aint supposed to be a flame war but throwing my name out there as a cheater is not right most of you have never played a game with me and the ones who have dont see my good side only question how the hell did I get my rank without cheating?

one hell of a run-on sentence.

Yep. But he still has a point. Secret alliance or not, he did get to where he was by legal means unless it can be proven that this is not the only case where he had a secret alliance with somebody. Although I would be interested to compare his point gain/loss for those games to his average... still, if he lost some more points in 10 games I doubt it would change his score too much.

[edwinissweet]

you people have flamed me and used me as an example of cheating with no real evidence I'm still innocent until proven guilty also if you read what I posted in the other thread you will see that even if me and irish had secret alliance I still came out with a negative % of points which is evidence enough that I earned the points to get to where I am today and could easily won it with or without Irish or any one else I know this aint supposed to be a flame war but throwing my name out there as a cheater is not right most of you have never played a game with me and the ones who have dont see my good side only question how the hell did I get my rank without cheating?

one hell of a run-on sentence.

Yep. But he still has a point. Secret alliance or not, he did get to where he was by legal means unless it can be proven that this is not the only case where he had a secret alliance with somebody. Although I would be interested to compare his point gain/loss for those games to his average... still, if he lost some more points in 10 games I doubt it would change his score too much.

the rules dont say that u have to get to the top to be banned for secret alligances... they say if you do it you will be banned. and i take krusher's post a s a confesion

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the rules dont say that u have to get to the top to be banned for secret alligances... they say if you do it you will be banned.

totally agree with this. and now let's get back to the problem we have here and leave krusher to be judged by the mods.

back on topic.
why is cheating/abuse/bending the rules permited? i say permited because encouraged feels a little too harsh despite the fact that by not punishing the guilty you actually encourage future cheaters to do it.

i want a mod to ask the following question:

if tomorrow i take control of 1 other account (a friends account. easy to check by ip that we aren't the same) and play as a sitter with that account and mine at the same time will i be banned or receive a simple warning?

i want a clear answer because if i'm told a simple warning will be issued then i'll start doing it tomorrow, if i'm told i'll be banned then i request a ban for skyt and his accomplices.

also if i'm not allowed to do this i have several other abuse methods up my sleeve that aren't in the rules. it's actually easy to see the loopholes in the system.

let's start a cheating paradise in CC. the first steps have been taken by the mods by not punishing skyt, the rest is up to us.