america

[Tyr]

any way howmany countries has america created?

[Skittles!]

saved europe twice spread democracy helps the needy and generally does good things. no america means no french revolution means no democratic europe and so on and so on

You don't honestly believe you 'spread democracy', right? Your form of democracy isn't even proper democracy! You did not spread it, you invaded a country and made it democratic!

You 'saved' Europe with the help of Europe and other countries. You did not 'save' it single-handed.

Erm, you seem to be forgetting that there was a democratic Europe even before the French Revolution happened.

oh i forgot how much the french helped in world war 2 my fault and how many democracies would exist if not for americas example? how are we not a "proper democracy" we elect leaders and they govern thats what democracy is

You also seemed to forget that the Soviet Union, Canada, Australia and many other countries helped in the 'saving' of Europe in WWII.

There would still be many democracies in the world even if there wasn't an 'example' by the US of A. You give people a choice to vote, and so it is skewered as not every has voted. It also makes it liable to be rigged. Democracies make people vote, not give them a choice. Everyone gets a say, and people expect a say.

[Tyr]

saved europe twice spread democracy helps the needy and generally does good things. no america means no french revolution means no democratic europe and so on and so on

You don't honestly believe you 'spread democracy', right? Your form of democracy isn't even proper democracy! You did not spread it, you invaded a country and made it democratic!

You 'saved' Europe with the help of Europe and other countries. You did not 'save' it single-handed.

Erm, you seem to be forgetting that there was a democratic Europe even before the French Revolution happened.

oh i forgot how much the french helped in world war 2 my fault and how many democracies would exist if not for americas example? how are we not a "proper democracy" we elect leaders and they govern thats what democracy is

You also seemed to forget that the Soviet Union, Canada, Australia and many other countries helped in the 'saving' of Europe in WWII.

There would still be many democracies in the world even if there wasn't an 'example' by the US of A. You give people a choice to vote, and so it is skewered as not every has voted. It also makes it liable to be rigged. Democracies make people vote, not give them a choice. Everyone gets a say, and people expect a say.

you seem to forget that other the the canadians landing in france, which was poorly planned and ultimately failed theose countries did almost nothing and were under the control on GB. and in america we have the choice to vote or particpate some other way

[Carebian Knight]

Last I checked you had to register to vote, I think that means you have a choice.

Who took Omaha beach on D-Day against a seasoned German Division? America

Who took 3 beaches while fighting old men who were handed rifles? Britain and Canada(Canada is an awesome ally though)

[Tyr]

democracies dont force people to vote thats very....undemocratic

[Skittles!]

the french would not have thought democracy if not for americas example

You seem to be forgetting that the reason the French Revolution happened was not because America was "spreading democracy", but because Peasants and such were sick of the gloating Kings and Queens.

[Carebian Knight]

the french would not have thought democracy if not for americas example

You seem to be forgetting that the reason the French Revolution happened was not because America was "spreading democracy", but because Peasants and such were sick of the gloating Kings and Queens.

Yes but the idea to set up a democracy came from the American Revolution.

[Tyr]

ok the french revolution happens but with no successful example that democracies works how many frenchman would have wanted a democracy?

[Skittles!]

I'm pretty sure there were many other examples of democracies in the 18th century, not just America.

[0ojakeo0]

the axis were winning before pearl harbor... i remember us having to save france


and were a democrstic REPUBLIC.we dont elect things. we vote people to decide it for us

[Neutrino]

I'm with you Tyr, America is fine, it's not perfect but it's the best country in the world right now. We're doing the most throughout the world(not talking about military) is anybody here from Iraq? Most people in Iraq are thankful that we came in and toppled their dictator. It's mostly the people who are in the countries that are fighting the war that are bitching.

I beg to differ. Most Iraqi's are pissed that the US came and destroyed the stability of their country. Saddam kept their country running. Sure, the dissedents got the pointy end of the stick, but this didn't impact the majority of the population at all.

Would you be celebrating if a foreign power invaded the US, cruise missile'd your house, knocked out your power and generally removed stability from your life, just to kill someone who had kept all these things running for the majority of the last 24 years?

[Tyr]

the french would not have thought democracy if not for americas example

You seem to be forgetting that the reason the French Revolution happened was not because America was "spreading democracy", but because Peasants and such were sick of the gloating Kings and Queens.

Yes but the idea to set up a democracy came from the American Revolution.

and i belive that it was over unfair taxation and repression by the aristocrats not neccessarily the king

[0ojakeo0]

the axis were winning before pearl harbor... i remember us having to save france


and were a democratic REPUBLIC.we dont elect things. we vote people to decide it for us

[Tyr]

I'm with you Tyr, America is fine, it's not perfect but it's the best country in the world right now. We're doing the most throughout the world(not talking about military) is anybody here from Iraq? Most people in Iraq are thankful that we came in and toppled their dictator. It's mostly the people who are in the countries that are fighting the war that are bitching.

I beg to differ. Most Iraqi's are pissed that the US came and destroyed the stability of their country. Saddam kept their country running. Sure, the dissedents got the pointy end of the stick, but this didn't impact the majority of the population at all.

Would you be celebrating if a foreign power invaded the US, cruise missile'd your house, knocked out your power and generally removed stability from your life, just to kill someone who had kept all these things running for the majority of the last 24 years?[/quote

the majority of the population was oppressed tortured and feared for thierlives while a few elite rulers lived in luxury

[Tyr]

if america hadnt invaded iraq people would butch next time a couple thousand kurds got gassed and we did nothing

[Skittles!]

if america hadnt invaded iraq people would butch next time a couple thousand kurds got gassed and we did nothing

So instead of just Kurds dying, even more people died!

Woo, that's the answer!

[Tyr]

hats all i got till tommorow

god bless america and bring death to her enemys

[Neutrino]

Last I checked you had to register to vote, I think that means you have a choice.

Who took Omaha beach on D-Day against a seasoned German Division? America

Who lost 60 000 troops in one day? The British. Who held off the Luftwaffe? The British. Who stopped German's advance in the East? The Russians.

Le's just throw around pointless examples, shall we?

Without any of the major Allied powers, the Axis probably would have won the war. It's pointless to claim "we rescued Europe" because it would have been just as screwed if the US had entered the war but Britian or Russia didn't.

[Skittles!]

hats all i got till tommorow

god bless america and bring death to her enemys

I love this. Humans are so nice to each other.

[edwinissweet]

i hate how most americans complain about mexicans moving here. if the US hadnt taken half their country a while back they wouldnt come here

[got tonkaed]

there are some very misinformed american perspectives in this thread. However as far as the op mentions, we will probably be involved in the middle east as long as either of these two conditions persist

1) America is a world power capable of protecting its economic interests

2) There are assets necessary to the consumption economy America wants at a lower cost.

These are not necessarily good or bad things, they just are. On the one hand, every nation that could do such a thing, can and is doing such a thing, no nation is a saint. However, there are terrible costs to such intervention, and usually the costs are understated. When people look at these issues of moving forward or taking actions, the costs are rarely if ever heard.

[Bigfalcon65]

Last I checked you had to register to vote, I think that means you have a choice.

Who took Omaha beach on D-Day against a seasoned German Division? America

Who lost 60 000 troops in one day? The British. Who held off the Luftwaffe? The British. Who stopped German's advance in the East? The Russians.

Le's just throw around pointless examples, shall we?

Without any of the major Allied powers, the Axis probably would have won the war. It's pointless to claim "we rescued Europe" because it would have been just as screwed if the US had entered the war but Britian or Russia didn't.

thats true and if it wernt for the russians being SOOO big than germany wouldt of had to fight a 2 side war which is why they lost so you owe alot to russia

[Bigfalcon65]

there are some very misinformed american perspectives in this thread. However as far as the op mentions, we will probably be involved in the middle east as long as either of these two conditions persist

1) America is a world power capable of protecting its economic interests

2) There are assets necessary to the consumption economy America wants at a lower cost.

These are not necessarily good or bad things, they just are. On the one hand, every nation that could do such a thing, can and is doing such a thing, no nation is a saint. However, there are terrible costs to such intervention, and usually the costs are understated. When people look at these issues of moving forward or taking actions, the costs are rarely if ever heard.

until they show up right in your back yard

[doomraider77]

Last I checked you had to register to vote, I think that means you have a choice.

Who took Omaha beach on D-Day against a seasoned German Division? America

Who lost 60 000 troops in one day? The British. Who held off the Luftwaffe? The British. Who stopped German's advance in the East? The Russians.

Le's just throw around pointless examples, shall we?

Without any of the major Allied powers, the Axis probably would have won the war. It's pointless to claim "we rescued Europe" because it would have been just as screwed if the US had entered the war but Britian or Russia didn't.

thats true and if it wernt for the russians being SOOO big than germany wouldt of had to fight a 2 side war which is why they lost so you owe alot to russia

Winston Churchill knew that Japan were going to attack America but he kept quiet because the allies needed America's industrial strength to win the war. When Hitler attacked Russia it sealed Germany's fate really, Hitler and the Japs fucked with the wrong peole really. All Britain did was keep them at bay for 3 years.

[Tyr]

Last I checked you had to register to vote, I think that means you have a choice.

Who took Omaha beach on D-Day against a seasoned German Division? America

Who lost 60 000 troops in one day? The British. Who held off the Luftwaffe? The British. Who stopped German's advance in the East? The Russians.

Le's just throw around pointless examples, shall we?

Without any of the major Allied powers, the Axis probably would have won the war. It's pointless to claim "we rescued Europe" because it would have been just as screwed if the US had entered the war but Britian or Russia didn't.

britain didnt stop the luftwaffe if hitler had continued bombing airfeilds and miklitary instalations the brotish would have been crushed. without lend lease no allied country would have held out. the russians didnt stop the germans advance hitler pulling troops to fight AMERICANS in the west ended hope of defeating russia. how is losing 60000 troops in one day somethign that wont he war?