america

[muy_thaiguy]

Last I checked you had to register to vote, I think that means you have a choice.

Who took Omaha beach on D-Day against a seasoned German Division? America

Who lost 60 000 troops in one day? The British. Who held off the Luftwaffe? The British. Who stopped German's advance in the East? The Russians.

Le's just throw around pointless examples, shall we?

Without any of the major Allied powers, the Axis probably would have won the war. It's pointless to claim "we rescued Europe" because it would have been just as screwed if the US had entered the war but Britian or Russia didn't.

thats true and if it wernt for the russians being SOOO big than germany wouldt of had to fight a 2 side war which is why they lost so you owe alot to russia

Actually, Russia was being crushed and pushed back by the Nazi troops. Not to mention the US had to supply Russia with massive amounts of supplies and materials, which Russia sorely needed. Not to mention if the US and Australia hadn't been going all out on Japan, Russia would have been crushed from 2 fronts instead of one. It was because of this that Russia was able to shift it's armies from the East to the West and beat finally halt the Nazis with sheer numbers, but even then, hundreds of thousands were killed.

[Frigidus]

While there is no question that America was key to defeating Germany, you can't underestimate the rest of the Allies and their participation in the victory. The way people are talking makes it seem like they believe America could have defeated Germany without any help which is absolutely not true. Germany was the most powerful country in the world at the time, and the only reason we defeated them is that they had already been fighting against many enemies throughout Northern Africa, Europe, and finally Russia for years before the United States joined the battle. We fought a tired, strained Germany, and we went through them quickly because they were spread too thin. That said, without America Germany would have probably won. Japan would have had their hands free to deal with either Australia or Russia with all of their forces, and Germany would have likely repelled any attempt by Britain to gain a foothold in France or any other area.

[muy_thaiguy]

While there is no question that America was key to defeating Germany, you can't underestimate the rest of the Allies and their participation in the victory. The way people are talking makes it seem like they believe America could have defeated Germany without any help which is absolutely not true. Germany was the most powerful country in the world at the time, and the only reason we defeated them is that they had already been fighting against many enemies throughout Northern Africa, Europe, and finally Russia for years before the United States joined the battle. We fought a tired, strained Germany, and we went through them quickly because they were spread too thin. That said, without America Germany would have probably won. Japan would have had their hands free to deal with either Australia or Russia with all of their forces, and Germany would have likely repelled any attempt by Britain to gain a foothold in France or any other area.

I wasn't dismissing the other allies, just saying that the US helped keep the others afloat thanks to our being an Industrial Giant.

[Bigfalcon65]

While there is no question that America was key to defeating Germany, you can't underestimate the rest of the Allies and their participation in the victory. The way people are talking makes it seem like they believe America could have defeated Germany without any help which is absolutely not true. Germany was the most powerful country in the world at the time, and the only reason we defeated them is that they had already been fighting against many enemies throughout Northern Africa, Europe, and finally Russia for years before the United States joined the battle. We fought a tired, strained Germany, and we went through them quickly because they were spread too thin. That said, without America Germany would have probably won. Japan would have had their hands free to deal with either Australia or Russia with all of their forces, and Germany would have likely repelled any attempt by Britain to gain a foothold in France or any other area.

I wasn't dismissing the other allies, just saying that the US helped keep the others afloat thanks to our being an Industrial Giant.

um no dumby, thanks to a great diversion prior to d-day and not being killed for the 4 years previuos to us joining the war.

[Tyr]

you guys could have stopped germany right after he invaded poland and you did nothing its your own fault you came so close to the brink

[Frigidus]

While there is no question that America was key to defeating Germany, you can't underestimate the rest of the Allies and their participation in the victory. The way people are talking makes it seem like they believe America could have defeated Germany without any help which is absolutely not true. Germany was the most powerful country in the world at the time, and the only reason we defeated them is that they had already been fighting against many enemies throughout Northern Africa, Europe, and finally Russia for years before the United States joined the battle. We fought a tired, strained Germany, and we went through them quickly because they were spread too thin. That said, without America Germany would have probably won. Japan would have had their hands free to deal with either Australia or Russia with all of their forces, and Germany would have likely repelled any attempt by Britain to gain a foothold in France or any other area.

I wasn't dismissing the other allies, just saying that the US helped keep the others afloat thanks to our being an Industrial Giant.

Oh, no question there, I was more referring to Tyr than you actually, heheheh. As I said at the end the US was crucial to the war effort but not the entire thing.

[Tyr]

as soon as the japanese attacked us it was over. there was no country and still is no country that can match our industrial output. you'll say china but they cannot match americas resources or her weapons and munitions output without ending up like the USSR

[muy_thaiguy]

Hmmm, let's see. Britiain's power was failing before we even joined in, but we made some agreements with them (and the other Allies, thank you very much) that we would send them massive amounts of materials and supplies, but we would not participate in the war itself as an agressive country. Therefore, we were helping them with our industrial strength to hold the Nazis. It was the US supplies to Britain and Russia that helped them keep going during the war, and certainly before D-Day. Also, considering that the American made and manufactured Sherman tank saw action on all fronts only supports that the US was key to victory. Considering that the British, US, and Russian troops all used it in many battles.

[Frigidus]

you guys could have stopped germany right after he invaded poland and you did nothing its your own fault you came so close to the brink

You have to keep in mind the mentality that Europe had when it came to war at the time. WWI had been absolutely horrendous, and the casualties were immense. They wanted to do everything they could to avoid war and didn't intend to attack Germany and direct it's army towards them. Besides, by the time Germany started invading its neighbors they had already gotten their military machine rolling. They weren't stupid after all, they wouldn't start a war before they were ready. Also, they declared war after Germany invaded Poland, do you mean when they invaded the Sudetenland?

[Tyr]

no the europeans gave him the sudentland it wasnt till he invaded poland di you reluctantly declare war. then you did basically nothing till ggermany invaded france. you could have ended it so soon but you didnt

[Chris7He]

[/quote]Actually, Russia was being crushed and pushed back by the Nazi troops. Not to mention the US had to supply Russia with massive amounts of supplies and materials, which Russia sorely needed. Not to mention if the US and Australia hadn't been going all out on Japan, Russia would have been crushed from 2 fronts instead of one. It was because of this that Russia was able to shift it's armies from the East to the West and beat finally halt the Nazis with sheer numbers, but even then, hundreds of thousands were killed.[/quote]

Capitalist bullshit...

Russia was forcing the Germans back with sheer numbers. For every T-34 (outclassed by the Tiger) they destroyed seven popped up. The Germans attempted three simultaneous assaults that split up their armies and Russia was able to deal with one of them at a time. Japan didn't touch Russia because they were too busy fighting the US... that's true, but the Russian frequently raided Manchuria.

Russia prevented disaster at Kursk and other areas. They were the first to employ female soldiers without discrimination and turned the tide. If not for Russia's involvement, Germany could have used over six thousand tanks and six million soldiers against the forces in Normandy and I'm sure that our forces could've defeated them...

[Chris7He]

no the europeans gave him the sudentland it wasnt till he invaded poland di you reluctantly declare war. then you did basically nothing till ggermany invaded france. you could have ended it so soon but you didnt

They did anticipate a German invasion, but wanted to wait for the Germans to wear out their army and build up (they also signed a non-aggression pact). Stalin had documents that proved he knew the Germans were getting close to invading.

Russia built up their forces and waited for the Germans to attack. They burned down all of the farms and buildings so the Germans couldn't gain any supplies. Russia did it's best to prevent a war with Germany.

[muy_thaiguy]

Actually, Russia was being crushed and pushed back by the Nazi troops. Not to mention the US had to supply Russia with massive amounts of supplies and materials, which Russia sorely needed. Not to mention if the US and Australia hadn't been going all out on Japan, Russia would have been crushed from 2 fronts instead of one. It was because of this that Russia was able to shift it's armies from the East to the West and beat finally halt the Nazis with sheer numbers, but even then, hundreds of thousands were killed.

Capitalist bullshit...

Russia was forcing the Germans back with sheer numbers. For every T-34 (outclassed by the Tiger) they destroyed seven popped up. The Germans attempted three simultaneous assaults that split up their armies and Russia was able to deal with one of them at a time. Japan didn't touch Russia because they were too busy fighting the US... that's true, but the Russian frequently raided Manchuria.

Russia prevented disaster at Kursk and other areas. They were the first to employ female soldiers without discrimination and turned the tide. If not for Russia's involvement, Germany could have used over six thousand tanks and six million soldiers against the forces in Normandy and I'm sure that our forces could've defeated them...

Russia didn't develop the T-34 for awhile, and before that, the seasoned veterans of the Nazi troops were simply destroying everything that the Russians could throw at them. And would you care to enlightrn me on what is wrong with what I stated? That Russia was taking massive casualties? That the US supplied Russia with sorely needed materials and supplies? What?

[Tyr]

Actually, Russia was being crushed and pushed back by the Nazi troops. Not to mention the US had to supply Russia with massive amounts of supplies and materials, which Russia sorely needed. Not to mention if the US and Australia hadn't been going all out on Japan, Russia would have been crushed from 2 fronts instead of one. It was because of this that Russia was able to shift it's armies from the East to the West and beat finally halt the Nazis with sheer numbers, but even then, hundreds of thousands were killed.[/quote]

Capitalist bullshit...

Russia was forcing the Germans back with sheer numbers. For every T-34 (outclassed by the Tiger) they destroyed seven popped up. The Germans attempted three simultaneous assaults that split up their armies and Russia was able to deal with one of them at a time. Japan didn't touch Russia because they were too busy fighting the US... that's true, but the Russian frequently raided Manchuria.

Russia prevented disaster at Kursk and other areas. They were the first to employ female soldiers without discrimination and turned the tide. If not for Russia's involvement, Germany could have used over six thousand tanks and six million soldiers against the forces in Normandy and I'm sure that our forces could've defeated them... [/quote]

american bullets tank shells boots clothes, etc everything you need to fight a war the russians gont from us the managed to stop the germans a few times with appaling casualties and almost no stratigic victory. russians were forced to use women because they had no more men to sned

[Tyr]

no the europeans gave him the sudentland it wasnt till he invaded poland di you reluctantly declare war. then you did basically nothing till ggermany invaded france. you could have ended it so soon but you didnt

They did anticipate a German invasion, but wanted to wait for the Germans to wear out their army and build up (they also signed a non-aggression pact). Stalin had documents that proved he knew the Germans were getting close to invading.

Russia built up their forces and waited for the Germans to attack. They burned down all of the farms and buildings so the Germans couldn't gain any supplies. Russia did it's best to prevent a war with Germany.

they did their best to appear non-threatening but hitler tookt hat fro weakness

[Chris7He]

How the f*ck did American ships get past Japanese-German blockades? Russia's valuable land was being taken over. What was it supposed to do? It needed help. All of the other nations bordering Germany had been screwed over. Heavy losses from attacking Finland. If the US weren't worlds away from Germany do think our homeland wouldn't have been overran by German armies?

[Tyr]

How the f*ck did American ships get past Japanese-German blockades? Russia's valuable land was being taken over. What was it supposed to do? It needed help. All of the other nations bordering Germany had been screwed over. Heavy losses from attacking Finland. If the US weren't worlds away from Germany do think our homeland wouldn't have been overran by German armies?

germany would never dare attack the US he over estimated japans strength if america bordered germany he wouldnt even look that direction

[muy_thaiguy]

How the f*ck did American ships get past Japanese-German blockades? Russia's valuable land was being taken over. What was it supposed to do? It needed help. All of the other nations bordering Germany had been screwed over. Heavy losses from attacking Finland. If the US weren't worlds away from Germany do think our homeland wouldn't have been overran by German armies?

It's called Alaska, and the German navy was weak to begin with, and what U-boats they had where in the North Atlantic. The Japanese Navy was busy with the US Navy. And this is where America's Industry comes into play. By making thousands of merchant/trade vessels for both Pacific and Atlantic fronts. THe Japanese last major offensive in the North Pacific was the Battle of Midway, where they lost most of their Aircraft carriers and their best Admiral. Thus allowing for US ships to get supplies to Russia. Your ignorance on the subject astounds me to no ends.

[Tyr]

besides the german navy was never strong enough to blockade anything let alone agaisnt america

[Chris7He]

How the f*ck did American ships get past Japanese-German blockades? Russia's valuable land was being taken over. What was it supposed to do? It needed help. All of the other nations bordering Germany had been screwed over. Heavy losses from attacking Finland. If the US weren't worlds away from Germany do think our homeland wouldn't have been overran by German armies?

It's called Alaska, and the German navy was weak to begin with, and what U-boats they had where in the North Atlantic. The Japanese Navy was busy with the US Navy. And this is where America's Industry comes into play. By making thousands of merchant/trade vessels for both Pacific and Atlantic fronts. THe Japanese last major offensive in the North Pacific was the Battle of Midway, where they lost most of their Aircraft carriers and their best Admiral. Thus allowing for US ships to get supplies to Russia. Your ignorance on the subject astounds me to no ends.

Are you a fucking idiot? Ever heard of the Graff Spree or the Great American Turkey Shoot? It was made by a German admiral who sent German ships all around the Americas sinking American merchant and war vessels. When we entered the war, German vessels were all over the Goddamn place sinking ships, but we were able to overpower them (war effort).

We couldn't overwhelm the Germans if we bordered them because of something (oh I don't know) BLITZKRIEG!!!

[ignotus]

Actually, Russia was being crushed and pushed back by the Nazi troops. Not to mention the US had to supply Russia with massive amounts of supplies and materials, which Russia sorely needed. Not to mention if the US and Australia hadn't been going all out on Japan, Russia would have been crushed from 2 fronts instead of one. It was because of this that Russia was able to shift it's armies from the East to the West and beat finally halt the Nazis with sheer numbers, but even then, hundreds of thousands were killed.

Capitalist bullshit...

Russia was forcing the Germans back with sheer numbers. For every T-34 (outclassed by the Tiger) they destroyed seven popped up. The Germans attempted three simultaneous assaults that split up their armies and Russia was able to deal with one of them at a time. Japan didn't touch Russia because they were too busy fighting the US... that's true, but the Russian frequently raided Manchuria.

Russia prevented disaster at Kursk and other areas. They were the first to employ female soldiers without discrimination and turned the tide. If not for Russia's involvement, Germany could have used over six thousand tanks and six million soldiers against the forces in Normandy and I'm sure that our forces could've defeated them...

Russia didn't develop the T-34 for awhile, and before that, the seasoned veterans of the Nazi troops were simply destroying everything that the Russians could throw at them. And would you care to enlightrn me on what is wrong with what I stated? That Russia was taking massive casualties? That the US supplied Russia with sorely needed materials and supplies? What?

-First women in the army: Yugoslav partisans, from April 1941.
-Hitler didn't win in his campaign in Russia because he was not a military genius. He took a byte that was just too big to swallow.
1. He couldn't maintain his lines and he had tremendous casualties behind his lines, where partisan guerrilla attacked his troops while resting.
2. He didn't have enough gasoline for his panzers.
3. Early winter prevented him from advancing faster and tanks and airplanes weren't designed for fighting on snow, mud north wind and fog (airplanes couldn't fly). 4. Russians had more manpower to just throw into every battle. Often two soldiers were given only one rifle.
5. American Aid to USSR was more and aid in medications, food and jeeps. Tanks and B-52's were sent to, but not in great numbers. Till the end of the 1944. convoys to USSR were a tricky business because Germans controlled North Sea (from Norway) and Japan controlled eastern seas. Not that many convoys made it through, and most of this help was more a gesture of good will than effective aid that really made the difference and turned the course of war to the side of the USSR.

[Tyr]

the graf spree did a whole lot of runnign awaya till it finaly got sunk and one ship doesnt win wars obiviously

[Chris7He]

Another reply to the American war efforts in World War I and II. The government was pretty much communist. The control of the industries were turned over to the government. The media was totally dominated as well. They were pumping out pro-war productions (even childrens' cartoons were pro-war and poked fun at Hitler and his buddies).

Everything was rationed. A great draft was issued. War posters were everywhere. The government was given the right to imprison anyone who opposed war. People were encouraged to rat out their neighbors. People were told to plant 'victory gardens' and when most of the men were busy fighting women finally got to work. Women were paid equal wages since they were a major part of the war effort at home.

[Chris7He]

the graf spree did a whole lot of runnign awaya till it finaly got sunk and one ship doesnt win wars obiviously

It was more than one ship, dumbass. It was a fleet that dispersed itself all over the Atlantic.

[Tyr]

your right we did what we had to to win the war