Prydain Map - Abandoned for now

[bryguy]

V.1


V.2


# of territories: 33

visual resource used: http://www.lloydalexanderbooks.com/map.htm

# of continents: 6

[bryguy]

plz feel free to post remarks

[Balsiefen]

Hmm, nice. What is prydian?

Anyway, a few suggestions to start with:

-all the territories in the south are indestuinguishable continent-wise. While you may want to have all the terrs different shades of the same colour it would proberbly be best to put a dark one inbetweeen any two light ones.
-simularity in colour you cant tell the bonus reagons apart.
-lose the join between colls lands and the title, it looks strange
-the text under the impassable legend is unreadable
-if the marshes of morva are part of the aeddan cont (i cant tell) it should be joined
-graphics are good but neeed a few tweaks but that can come later.

[Coleman]

This reminds me of something that was abandoned where there was a world like this on top and a mirror world in the bottom and they connected in a few places.

[bryguy]

Hmm, nice. What is prydian?

Anyway, a few suggestions to start with:

-all the territories in the south are indestuinguishable continent-wise. While you may want to have all the terrs different shades of the same colour it would proberbly be best to put a dark one inbetweeen any two light ones.
-simularity in colour you cant tell the bonus reagons apart.
-lose the join between colls lands and the title, it looks strange
-the text under the impassable legend is unreadable
-if the marshes of morva are part of the aeddan cont (i cant tell) it should be joined
-graphics are good but neeed a few tweaks but that can come later.

ok thanks, and yea i agree about the graphics, and it is kinda hard to tell that marshes of morva arent part of aeddan, same for the red fallows (both are not part of any cont), so ill change the colors of those to, got any suggestion of what color they should be? And prydain is a land from a book series, ill try to get Taranwandrer to come here and tell u what it is if u want.
For the text, right after i put the map up i noticed that, but didnt get a chance to change it, which ill do later today hopefully.
For the joint between colls land and the title, now that i REALLY look at it, it does look weird.
For the continents in the south, i cant figure out which ones your talking about, the ones in Dalbens Realm? King smoits realm? Free Commots?
Oh and the bonus' i put can be altered at any time, i just put them like that for now

and thanks for the input

[oaktown]

please read the "How to Make a Map" thread and include the required basic info on the first post.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1685

And I bet you don't have permission from the author to do this.

[bryguy]

please read the "How to Make a Map" thread and include the required basic info on the first post.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1685

And I bet you don't have permission from the author to do this.

the author is dead, and i did read it

[oaktown]

the author is dead, and i did read it

You may have read it, but you didn't follow the instructions for how to start a new thread... most people don't, and I point it out whenever I catch it. We need basic info like # of starting territories, source material, special features, etc. Without that info I and many others won't take a new project seriously.

And just because the author is dead does not mean you can copy his work. The midkemia map was pulled from the site for using copyrighted material - likewise this map is based on an author's work and is not your intellectual property. You will either need to obtain written permission from the holder of the copyright (the author's estate and/or the publisher) or you will have to significantly change the name of every territory so they are not recognizable as being based on another work.

I'm not trying to shut this project down Bryguy, I'm just trying to give you heads-up as to what it will take to progress through the Foundry.

[bryguy]

the author is dead, and i did read it

You may have read it, but you didn't follow the instructions for how to start a new thread... most people don't, and I point it out whenever I catch it. We need basic info like # of starting territories, source material, special features, etc. Without that info I and many others won't take a new project seriously.

And just because the author is dead does not mean you can copy his work. The midkemia map was pulled from the site for using copyrighted material - likewise this map is based on an author's work and is not your intellectual property. You will either need to obtain written permission from the holder of the copyright (the author's estate and/or the publisher) or you will have to significantly change the name of every territory so they are not recognizable as being based on another work.

I'm not trying to shut this project down Bryguy, I'm just trying to give you heads-up as to what it will take to progress through the Foundry.

ok i missed the part about the # of territories and that stuff, but the copyright shouldnt be a problem cause i (as far as i can tell) changed the map so it only slightly resembles it, and thanks for the heads up

[bryguy]

can anybody tell me if the poll has timed out? if it has then ill continue on the map

[Balsiefen]

I can still see the poll

[oaktown]

ok i missed the part about the # of territories and that stuff, but the copyright shouldnt be a problem cause i (as far as i can tell) changed the map so it only slightly resembles it, and thanks for the heads up

You can't use somebody else's work without permission, even if you tweak the map. For starters you can't use the words Prydain, Gwythaint, Pryderi, Forest of Idris, Morva, Aeddan, etc. This is all somebody else's copyrighted work.

As for the poll, it will only disappear if you PM a mod (Coleman).

[Balsiefen]

ok i missed the part about the # of territories and that stuff, but the copyright shouldnt be a problem cause i (as far as i can tell) changed the map so it only slightly resembles it, and thanks for the heads up

You can't use somebody else's work without permission, even if you tweak the map. For starters you can't use the words Prydain, Gwythaint, Pryderi, Forest of Idris, Morva, Aeddan, etc. This is all somebody else's copyrighted work.

As for the poll, it will only disappear if you PM a mod (Coleman).

No, he will have to get permission from the owners of the copyright. Myself, i am hopeful he will get it as it is similar types of stuff that usually gets through copyright (Discworld, Middle Earth, tamrael)

[bryguy]

ok i missed the part about the # of territories and that stuff, but the copyright shouldnt be a problem cause i (as far as i can tell) changed the map so it only slightly resembles it, and thanks for the heads up

You can't use somebody else's work without permission, even if you tweak the map. For starters you can't use the words Prydain, Gwythaint, Pryderi, Forest of Idris, Morva, Aeddan, etc. This is all somebody else's copyrighted work.

As for the poll, it will only disappear if you PM a mod (Coleman).

No, he will have to get permission from the owners of the copyright. Myself, i am hopeful he will get it as it is similar types of stuff that usually gets through copyright (Discworld, Middle Earth, tamrael)

yea originally i was gonna ask, but i couldnt figure out HOW to ask

[Balsiefen]

ok i missed the part about the # of territories and that stuff, but the copyright shouldnt be a problem cause i (as far as i can tell) changed the map so it only slightly resembles it, and thanks for the heads up

You can't use somebody else's work without permission, even if you tweak the map. For starters you can't use the words Prydain, Gwythaint, Pryderi, Forest of Idris, Morva, Aeddan, etc. This is all somebody else's copyrighted work.

As for the poll, it will only disappear if you PM a mod (Coleman).

No, he will have to get permission from the owners of the copyright. Myself, i am hopeful he will get it as it is similar types of stuff that usually gets through copyright (Discworld, Middle Earth, tamrael)

yea originally i was gonna ask, but i couldnt figure out HOW to ask

Yea thats always a problem, even figuring out who to ask can be annoying

[oaktown]

I would assume the copyright went to his grandchildren, since his wife and daughter both passed away before him. The publisher of the books would be the most direct source of copyright info.

The copyright info for The Black Cauldron is below.

Type of Work: Text
Registration Number / Date: RE0000628117 / 1993-06-28
Renewal registration for: A00000756798 / 1965-04-12
Title: The Black cauldron. By Lloyd Alexander.
Copyright Claimant: Lloyd Alexander (A)
Basis of Claim: New Matter: text.
Variant title: The Black cauldron
Names: Alexander, Lloyd

[bryguy]

I would assume the copyright went to his grandchildren, since his wife and daughter both passed away before him. The publisher of the books would be the most direct source of copyright info.

The copyright info for The Black Cauldron is below.

Type of Work: Text
Registration Number / Date: RE0000628117 / 1993-06-28
Renewal registration for: A00000756798 / 1965-04-12
Title: The Black cauldron. By Lloyd Alexander.
Copyright Claimant: Lloyd Alexander (A)
Basis of Claim: New Matter: text.
Variant title: The Black cauldron
Names: Alexander, Lloyd

black cauldron? who said anything about the black cauldron?!?! this is for from the Prydain Chronicles

[bryguy]

ok, so i need copyright permission, how do i get it??

[taranwandrer]

black cauldron is the second book in the prydain series bryguy.
book of three1
black cauldron2
castle of llyr3
taran wanderer4
high king 5

this map needs a polish, and it can be ready
but as for the guy bringin up the copyright thing.
how is middle earth on here?
or discworld?
or risk in general?
please explain that and what bryguy and the site needs to do to ok this map.
what is the next step?

[oaktown]

but as for the guy bringin up the copyright thing.
how is middle earth on here?
or discworld?
or risk in general?
please explain that and what bryguy and the site needs to do to ok this map.
what is the next step?

Middle Earth: I read somewhere that the site secured permission to make the map
Discworld: I haven't a clue
Risk: this site has nothing to do with Risk. Risk is a Hasbro product based on a board game that was developed prior to Hasbro's involvement and is in the public domain. Conquer Club is a different product based on the same game. It's like making an on-line Chess game: nobody has the rights to chess, and nobody has the rights to the game of global domination with little armies and dice.

If Bryguy wants to make this map a reality he will need to contact the company that publishes the Prydain books and ask for written permission to use specific material. They may be happy for the exposure, or they may require a licensing fee, which I doubt the site will pay. After the midkemia incident, I doubt this map will allowed to leave Map Ideas without permission from the publisher.

[Coleman]

We secured permission for Discworld as well, and Tamriel.

What I've been wondering for a while is if we only secured permission for the Middle Earth map as it was or for Lord of the Rings in general.

[bryguy]

but as for the guy bringin up the copyright thing.
how is middle earth on here?
or discworld?
or risk in general?
please explain that and what bryguy and the site needs to do to ok this map.
what is the next step?

Middle Earth: I read somewhere that the site secured permission to make the map
Discworld: I haven't a clue

If Bryguy wants to make this map a reality he will need to contact the company that publishes the Prydain books and ask for written permission to use specific material. They may be happy for the exposure, or they may require a licensing fee, which I doubt the site will pay. After the midkemia incident, I doubt this map will allowed to leave Map Ideas without permission from the publisher.

1. taranwandrer wants this to become a reality, along with alot of his friends (and maybe me a little bit )
2. I have no clue how to contact them
3. why dont i just change some stuff in the map? like the names and such

[bryguy]

bump

[Coleman]

You can probably get by with just changing stuff in the map, like names and stuff.

Be careful that your extra icons don't look too close to the original map as well.

[bryguy]

You can probably get by with just changing stuff in the map, like names and stuff.

ok ill do that, thanks




and wow your right u do respond quick