Judgement Day- Game Over, MAFIA WIN!!!

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:59 pm

ga7

Sierra_Leon

gimpythewonder

Koesen

These are the only possible people left that can be horsemen if my maths is right...

Syzygy · Post by **Syzygy** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:01 pm

nagerous wrote:ga7

Sierra_Leon

gimpythewonder

Koesen

These are the only possible people left that can be horsemen if my maths is right...

Yeah, I'm most suspicious of Gimpy out of the lot.

jnd94 · Post by **jnd94** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:02 pm

Firth played his role funny. I'll explain it when the game is over.

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:02 pm

No I will. I just explained it to Serbia

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:03 pm

Unless Jnd didn't write the full role, I agree that was pretty wtf.
Time for a list!

good guys
4.ga7
3.Mandy
6.nagerous
9.freezie

probably good
15.Kwanton
18.Syzygy
8.Sierra_leon

undecided
12.gimpythewonder

very likely scum
14.Koesen
20.F1fth

I'm a bit surprised none of the claimed pony hunters died... Did you guys get anything?

Syzygy · Post by **Syzygy** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:04 pm

ga7 wrote:Unless Jnd didn't write the full role, I agree that was pretty wtf.
Time for a list!

good guys
4.ga7
3.Mandy
6.nagerous
9.freezie

probably good
15.Kwanton
18.Syzygy
8.Sierra_leon

undecided
12.gimpythewonder

very likely scum
14.Koesen
20.F1fth

I'm a bit surprised none of the claimed pony hunters died... Did you guys get anything?

I'm thinking high battle ratings.

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:05 pm

nagerous wrote:ga7

Sierra_Leon

gimpythewonder

Koesen

These are the only possible people left that can be horsemen if my maths is right...

Well unless the horsemen really wanted to lynch SL instead of Nark to clear them up I kinda believe SL to be town now. As for me, I guess you could wifom and say I wanted Nark out to clear myself, but no, I'm just plain cool.

jnd94 · Post by **jnd94** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:06 pm

I wrote the fullest info for the roles that is possible without giving anything away.

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:07 pm

Ok Jnd. Endgame explanation should be entertaining

jnd94 · Post by **jnd94** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:10 pm

ga7 wrote:Ok Jnd. Endgame explanation should be entertaining

That's for sure.

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:12 pm

The question is why.

Neutrino · Post by **Neutrino** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:36 pm

... ouch.

Unless there are far fewer Satan-worshipers alive then I think there are, town is probably screwed.

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:47 am

I attacked Gimpy, but he didn't die. I think that an Angel should take a shot at him (and if he is the Red Horse, you guys will never hear the end of it

).

As for the Black Horse, my bet is Ga7. He is being very helpfull, but that 'undecided' mark for Gimpy makes my eyebrow go up.

Also, how come Koesen is still alive?

Syzygy · Post by **Syzygy** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:01 am

mandalorian2298 wrote:Also, how come Koesen is still alive?

High battle rating I'm fairly sure.

Sierra_Leon · Post by **Sierra_Leon** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:33 am

firth was not a day cop?

I guess he figured that his cult leader was going to be lynched anyway, so he tried to take advantage of it by claiming day cop. Which was very convincing by the way, well done firth. Too bad he didn't think ahead some more and was forced to give rubbish results the following days.

Anyway, this means Koesen was NOT proven 3rd party. Either firth took a very lucky guess and got Koesen's alignment right, or Koesen is scum who was laughing his ass off when the day cop claimed he was 3rd party and he thought up a role to match that claim. I'm thinking it's the second.

I also recall a discussion with firth, TWO and Ga7 where firth revealed he was neutral himself and didn't have a name with his role. I'm fairly sure Ga7 said he also didn't have a name with his role, but I can't remember if he said he was neutral too. I don't have the time to look back properly at the moment, so I'll check later. I'm very suspicious of anyone who at some point claimed to be neutral, because so far the only neutrals we've seen were cult.

firth4eva · Post by **firth4eva** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:47 am

Sierra_Leon wrote:firth was not a day cop?

*Evil laughter*

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:46 am

mandalorian2298 wrote:I attacked Gimpy, but he didn't die. I think that an Angel should take a shot at him (and if he is the Red Horse, you guys will never hear the end of it ).

As for the Black Horse, my bet is Ga7. He is being very helpfull, but that 'undecided' mark for Gimpy makes my eyebrow go up.

Also, how come Koesen is still alive?

The undecided mark for Gimpy is because besides your suspicions and the fact no scum we lynched voted for him, he didn't act so scummy else. But well, Gimpy is good at laying low so...
As for the suspicions on me, they're funny. If it comes to the point where I have to claim that will pretty much explain all, but objectively you can't say I didn't work for town

And no, I never claimed neutral, although a bit like Mandy I acted detached on day 1-2 for obvious reasons.

Anyway, my main suspects stay Koesie (obviously not guaranteed neutral anymore, and claimed unknown sister of Mary or something which is very "fake claiming Koesie"-like, and the fact he didn't die. Then F1fth who is flying under the radar.

Time for a quote recollection!
Let's start by a quote of Nark, that might be useful (or drown us in a sea of WIFOM, not sure which one):

Anarkistsdream wrote:So I went backto see who had voted for LSU, and here is the list

Sierra,AD,firth,Mandy,gimpy,Koesen,LSU,F1fth,Neutrino,freezie, Selin

Now, we all believe Koesens role, about being one of the Mary's, if I am not mistaken???

LSU obviously was pissed and voted himself.

I am Melchior.

So that leaves Sierra, firth, Mandy, gimpy, F1fth, Neutrino, freezie, Selin

Freezie does seem oddly defensive and I haven't really understood what the problem was there.

Selin never posts much, but his posts contain substance and I don't really know what to think about him.

Neut... Has he been posting much?

Mandy... Need I say more?

Fifth, Gimpy, Firth, and Sierra are all playing, but I can't get a read.

Anybody have any ideas here?

F1fth's defense:

F1fth wrote:Hold on guys, you're doing to AD what was done to LSU...

I'm inclined to believe AD, not only because of the name of the role he described, but also the conditions of the role. In nature, it sounds quite similar to some roles that have already been revealed, and I don't think we should be hasty in judging him.

And ask yourself: if he were scum, why in the hell would he say he could figure out who the antichrist/Devil is and then randomly pull some BS story out for why he couldn't. On day 2 no less! I know AD is a better player than that, which leads me to believe that he's being truthful.

Plus, he didn't lie, which was the basis of your vote, Ga.

F1fth wrote:Seriously, there really is no case against AD. I wasn't clear enough in saying this last time, but the style and the aspects of his role fit this game and the other roles that have been presented thus far (as well as mine).

Given that, and a credible role name, I really think that lynching AD would be a mistake... unless you were a follower of Satan of course...

F1fth wrote:I'm quite disconcerted by the fact that Mandy is being taken seriously.

But on a lighter note, I actually am disconcerted by SL's desire to kill AD. It just doesn't make sense. I know SL is a smart player, and there seems to me enough evidence to reasonably believe that AD is pro-town, and yet, he still pursues his lynch.

Vote SL

A post by Gimpy:

gimpyThewonder wrote:sorry i've been absent. Friday- got a new job (90% sure anyway), celebrated w/ 1/2 rack of winter beer. Saturday- hung over and useless. Sunday- getting tree and watching football. So that's my lame excuse for being away w/out notice.

Mandy- you really need to have other sources than Wikipedia. If Stephen Colbert can make elephants extinct just by typing it then all info should be taken w/ grain of salt. i.e. I 100% guarantee that the Antichrist is not one of the 4 riders of the apocalypse. Just isn't, no way no how. If you don't believe me read 'Good Omens' by Neil Gaiman & Terry Pratchet, its hilarious AND informative on the subject.*

AD- chill dude. I feel your pain being under Mandies' off-the-wall scrutiny, I was just there myself. No one of logical thinking (looks at some of you others) will believe it. If they do, well we know which way their flag is flying. chin-up buckaroo

Personally i'd like to hear some real(yes i'm looking at you) theories. SL's was good (and i wouldn't mind taking out mandy just for spite ) but too many others have steped in w/ statements of belief which i'm taking to mean they are also hunters, if they aren't then they should give us better reasons as to believeing Mandy. and for the love of God don't actually claim, that's how we lost the doc.

*QFT!

I won't bother doing Koesie as it's pretty obvious he's fishy.
If there's no other input, I'll vote F1fth, best bet I think.

F1fth · Post by **F1fth** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:05 pm

I got a misread on AD, which I am quite ashamed of. But that's that. And I hope you've seen me play enough to know that as scum, I would not take such a gambit as repeating outright my defense for a scum buddy. It simply calls too much attention to you if and when that person gets lynched.

You're wasting your time, ga7, you really are. There's something you don't know.

And not to accuse you or anything, but I like how you've conveniently included yourself in your "good guys" list as if you have done anything to prove that you're a "good guy." But then, you're list is pretty fair otherwise, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Anyway, I'm assuming the horses have big battle ratings, so if an attack failed against Gimpy last night, and his innocence has quite obviously been questioned, I'll vote Gimpy.

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:24 pm

On the contrary, I seem to recall you being pretty blatant when you were scum in another game which name escapes me right now

But I won't go further in metagaming cause it sucks and I have bad memory anyway. There might be a lot I don't know in this game, but I can always resort to logic. My guess is scum had a big hand in the whole attempt at swaying the lynch from AD towards SL and others, and it didn't seem to matter for them to be blatant about it. Even just being a goon, I think scum figured they'd have it much easier if they weren't losing a master at fooling people and getting away with it. And of course I'm a good guy, I might not have hunting powers but being on AD's ass the whole time and seeing I was right afterwards was good enough

F1fth · Post by **F1fth** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:51 pm

Yes, that game was Gothic Castle mafia where MM called out all the vampires by name, and I was the last one left on the list, and his entire list had been proven true thus far. I had no chance of convincing people I wasn't scum. So I took a chance, and got a doctor vig-killed by saying he was a werewolf. But enough about that.

The reasoning behind AD's suspicion was that he said he was seeking the antichrist. Mandy said he knew who was seeking the white horse, and that the white horse and the antichrist were one in the same. They weren't. So my judgment had as much basis as your judgment (suspicion), but you just happened to be right.

And if you want to take quotes of me, where's all the quotes of me defending Mandy, (even more so than AD). I'll dig them up if you'd like me to.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:26 pm

I think a gimpy lynch is the best bet at the moment, especially since Mandy wasn't able to kill him probably due to gimpy having a high battle rating. Where is it that ga7 claimed that he didn't have a name Sierra as that is very interesting, as is the Koesen comment. As I said before, the final scum lies in the group .

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:27 pm

1. F1fth is pro-good.

2. Since Koesen was cleared by Firth, he is probably Nostradamus Cult and, as such, irrelevant at this moment.

3. Here is my supiciusness rating:

People I KNOW aren't scum:

Mandy
F1fth
Kwanton
Syzygy

People whom I think aren't scum:

Nagerus

I am neutral towards:

Freezie
Sierra_Leon

People whom I suspect:

Ga7
Koesen
Gimpy.

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:31 pm

Lol. I have just now realized that we are back to voting.

vote Gimpy because of my hunch and his refusal to die (which I respect but don't approve

)

ga7 · Post by **ga7** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:36 pm

Alright then, I'll have to trust Mandy I guess

I thought Freezie had claimed being a pony hunter at that point? Or maybe it was an allusion... Can't remember.
As for Koesen he could be cult, but he could be scum also. Somehow I don't think there's more cult members since Serbia died day 1 and Firth started with him seemingly.
Vote Gimpy

mandalorian2298 · Post by **mandalorian2298** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:47 pm

Darn I am stupid!

If Firth was Cult then Sierra MUST be Cult (since Firth took the bullet for him). Also, he is probably a recruiter of some kind.

unvote vote Sierra