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Nice to have that all cleared up 3 pages into the thread. he he...
Page 4: Do we need to give those in the upper percentage of wealth in this country more tax breaks and less taxes, in hopes they will stay and let it trickle down to the rest of the country?
And more importantly, havent the most wealthy been leaving for a while now. And by leaving, I mean buying all products from overseas, moving manufacturing overseas, and outsourcing overseas?
Dont get me wrong, Im a capitalist as much as anyone. Its the only system that can work with human beings, because its the only way to get real production out of them with any real quality that isnt essentially forced. It is a global market, and companies are free and have a responsibility to make money. The point is not that these things need be controlled, only that our tax money should not help them accomplish it, and while its easy to complain about welfare, the corporate grants, the promotional grants and research grants for multimillion dollar companies, all owned by billionaires is staggering. And in addition, the bailouts and bonuses, and tax breaks is no small amount either.
I forget the time period, but at one point the top 5% wealthiest, increased their income 100%, and the rest increased by 8% or so. Giving that 5% tax breaks, and not taking a fair tax from them, after there is no doubt, taxes went to very much help them generate that wealth is just not equitable, and simply results in an unfair system, that obviously needs to be adjusted, but carefully so.
Taxes are absolutely necessary. We have been in a war spending billions for years. We lost over 3000 citizens in a terrorist attack, and we have had the biggest financial crisis since the great depression. We need roads, infrastructure, and often forgotten education. We simply need these things, and we especially need these things in areas that need them most, because there are areas in this country where there is no hope, where crime is simply a way of life, because people simply can see no other way out. Now, taking tax money and just giving it to them is of course equally pointless, however, investing it is not. We compete globally, and our main competitor is china who has a billion people to draw on for labor. Now, we cant possibly compete with that on a pure numbers scale, but we certainly have enough people who need to work, to at least try. We simply need the resources to help the people that can work, find jobs, get trained and compete and contribute above all.
Unfortunately, we have not invested in this correctly for quite some time. We have lived like kings and queens, and have rested on our gold pieces for too long, and have not invested into building the very country that allowed this growth in the past. In many ways, we abandoned it completely in lieu of more, and no doubt selfish endevors.
There is no way the all the dolphins are all going to leave this country. We simply need to tax them, fairly, to help rebuild what once was and what can remain, one of the greatest countries that has ever existed. We need to simply get things moving again, but above all, invest the money where it is most needed, which is essentially creating a viable work environment for US citizens. And I dont mean by controlling it physically or even directly, because that is simply not viable at all... but we can very much devote resources to education, to encouraging jobs, for those people, that are not specifically skilled, so they can help themselves, and help contribute as well.
We simply need to do this, because it is simply the only way America will ever survive, and considering the debt weve accumulated, we need everyone that can, to help contribute...but if people have no hope they will do nothing. If they have no opportunities they will fail. If they are ill, they cannot work. The day Henry Ford embraced the idea of helping his company by helping the lower class contribute, was the day this country began its great climb to glory. He of course did not just give them anything, but simply gave them an opportunity to earn, and in may ways, our country has systematically let that opportunity erode. We have invested our precious resources, and given tax breaks, to companies that do not return very much to the American people at large.
We absolutely have no choice but to invest money into creating a viable work environment. Investment requires sacrifice. Taxes are that sacrifice, and they necessarily need be collected from those that can sacrifice and it is essential that they are used for far less selfish endeavors in the past.
The dolphins simply have to take less fish, otherwise the rest of the ocean will simply be barren, and the entire ecosystem will fall apart.
