The Flood

[Timminz]

extinction is a art

nuh-uh. it's totally an science.

[InkL0sed]

science is a art

[the.killing.44]

Tectonic plates my land are ginormous rocks (or something along that lines) larger than continents. They are UNDERNEATH the surface of the earth. Therefor its kinda impossible that they affect fossils of fish and such on mount everest now on to earthquakes whic are caused by cracks tears and colliding of these plates (I don't see how that has relevance to the topic)

You could have Wiki'd tectonic plates and at least BS'd your way to knowing what they are and how they work

[jonesthecurl]

OK Thorny: what makes mountains?

[Army of GOD]

OK Thorny: what makes mountains?

Floods.








OR pinpoint accuracy.

[THORNHEART]

mountains come from these plates we were talking about crashing into each other splitting and slowly being pushed skyward.

this process would take thousands of years unless there was a sudden and catclismic happening that would have caused it to form almost instantly....this happening all at once could account for the fossils and stuff found on the mountains

funny a world wide flood could be a way for this to happen as the bible states the waters from under the earth broke forth and in another place the bile says in the days of peleg when the earth was divided assunder...which some take to be about how the continents and such were ripped apart and formed.

[Timminz]

Mountains come from when the flood happened, all the water in the centre of the earth spilled forth over the land, and then it evaporated, leaving much less water to keep the earth full on the inside, so the outside shell (or "giant underground rocks") had to shrink to make up for the smaller core, thus crushing together and upwards. Tadah! mountains!

For my next trick, fuckin' magnets.

[THORNHEART]

and no thats not quite how it happened...but whatver....

[jonesthecurl]

mountains come from these plates we were talking about crashing into each other splitting and slowly being pushed skyward.

this process would take thousands of years unless there was a sudden and catclismic happening that would have caused it to form almost instantly....this happening all at once could account for the fossils and stuff found on the mountains

funny a world wide flood could be a way for this to happen as the bible states the waters from under the earth broke forth and in another place the bile says in the days of peleg when the earth was divided assunder...which some take to be about how the continents and such were ripped apart and formed.

So it either happened really really quickly in an undefined way, or it took thousands of years in the way that the scientists say.
Take your pick.

[joecoolfrog]

Because the made-up stories of power-hungry men aren't actually reality! Also, because there is no geological evidence of a worldwide flood. There are eight year olds out there who could have answered that one for ya, thorny!

Be fair , when I was six the eight year olds seemed pretty bright to me as well, Thorny will be fine once he reaches his teens.

[PLAYER57832]

mountains come from these plates we were talking about crashing into each other splitting and slowly being pushed skyward.

this process would take thousands of years unless there was a sudden and catclismic happening that would have caused it to form almost instantly....this happening all at once could account for the fossils and stuff found on the mountains

funny a world wide flood could be a way for this to happen as the bible states the waters from under the earth broke forth and in another place the bile says in the days of peleg when the earth was divided assunder...which some take to be about how the continents and such were ripped apart and formed.

The problem with your idea of it happening all at once is several, but the biggest issue is the layering and the fact that there are quite distinct and seperate fossils from various layers. This absolutely could not be explained by a worldwide flood.

It wasn't just singley upthrusts and such, it was many, many, many separate events. Whether the flood happened in the midst of this is another question, but it definitely cannot explain our landforms in the way you are describing.

Now, understand, I am definitely not saying there was no flood. I am saying that there is no currently available scientific evidence for it. This makes many people question, but is not reason to dismiss the idea entirely.

[jay_a2j]

Neoteny,

If Genesis is made-up stories of power-hungry men, then where do freemasonry and Bohemian Grove fit in?

[Lionz]

If there's a conspiracy by power hungry men to get people to be Bible believers, then what happened in the 20th century and what's been happening so far in the 21st? Who's remembers VH1 before 1995?

[InkL0sed]

1. Other groups of power-hungry men may or may not have founded other cults throughout the ages

2. I'm pretty sure faith has been on the rise since the Enlightenment, so... what's your point?

[Lionz]

Who is seperate layers a problem for?



We should expect hollow bone birds to be in top layers and bottom feeders to be on bottom levels whether there was an earthwide flood leading to there being layered sedimentary rock or not perhaps. How can dead animals end up encased in sedimentary rock if they can be without being quickly and deeply buried by an onslaught of wet sediment?



Words in images that are not my own depending on definition at least maybe.

[InkL0sed]

Not a logical conclusion. That just suggests that there have been a lot of living creatures over time.

[Lionz]

1. Well there either is or there is not one or more group who's conspiring to get people to be Bible believers and there either is or there is not one or more group who's conspiring to get people to be secular in nature maybe. Who's arguing there is for the former and there is not for the later?

http://catholic.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin ... o+seclorum



2. Who suggested to you that faith has been on the rise since the Enlightenment? Search Europe faith in crisis in a search engine maybe. And want to talk about the US or somewhere else?

[Lionz]

What's not a logical conclusion? Is there a dead animal encased in sedimentary rock that was not quickly and deeply buried by an onslaught of wet sediment?

[Lionz]

Timminz,

How about try reading stuff on a number of pages from here if you're interested in having an actual discussion on where mountains have come from?

http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebo ... view2.html

[Woodruff]

Neoteny,

If Genesis is made-up stories of power-hungry men, then where do freemasonry and Bohemian Grove fit in?

You know...Cain the Freemason and Abel from the Bohemian Grove. <smile>

If there's a conspiracy by power hungry men to get people to be Bible believers, then what happened in the 20th century and what's been happening so far in the 21st? Who's remembers VH1 before 1995?

I remember when MTV actually showed music videos...does that count?

What's not a logical conclusion? Is there a dead animal encased in sedimentary rock that was not quickly and deeply buried by an onslaught of wet sediment?

He's saying that the sheer volume of animals that have lived throughout the vast time involved in history will certainly explain the number of fossils that we have uncovered, even granting your processes.

Timminz,

How about try reading stuff on a number of pages from here if you're interested in having an actual discussion on where mountains have come from?

http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebo ... view2.html

How about instead of a site dedicated to "Creation Science", you reference some sights that are dedicated to REAL science? Too much to ask?

[Lionz]

So there's no dead animal encased in sedimentary rock that was not quickly and deeply buried by an onslaught of wet sediment, but local floods over millions of years would explain any?

And how much did you look at there before meaning to claim there's no real science there if that's what you're meaning to do? How about try to actually refute something from there using science? Too much to ask?

[Woodruff]

So there's no dead animal encased in sedimentary rock that was not quickly and deeply buried by an onslaught of wet sediment, but local floods over millions of years would explain any?

I didn't say anything of the sort. Do you really need to try to put words into my mouth to try to score a point?

And how much did you look at there before meaning to claim there's no real science there if that's what you're meaning to do? How about try to actually refute something from there using science? Too much to ask?

Most folks around here know what I think of Wikipedia. I don't personally know that much about geology, so I'm really not in a position to dispute anything...but I would trust Wikipedia before I'd trust a website called "Creation Science".

[Lionz]

Did you not call on vast time and then say even granting your processes? If there is a dead animal encased in sedimentary rock that was not quickly and deeply buried by an onslaught of wet sediment, then what happened to it or them?

And is there something here you want to try to refute or no?
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebo ... view2.html

[Woodruff]

Did you not call on vast time and then say even granting your processes? If there is a dead animal encased in sedimentary rock that was not quickly and deeply buried by an onslaught of wet sediment, then what happened to it or them?

Exactly what you said happened to them. I wasn't arguing that point at all. I was arguing your statement that we shouldn't have as many fossils as we do, which is ludicrous when one actually considers the vast numbers of animals that have existed on Earth over the course of history.

Maybe this is where you start talking about Satan putting them there to tempt us out of our faith?

And is there something here you want to try to refute or no?
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebo ... view2.html

No, there is nothing there that I want to try to refute, because it's not worth my time to read "science" coming from a "Creation Science" website. I'll go read Wikipedia, HowStuffWorks or, better yet, Digg.

[Phatscotty]

I have usually stayed out of religious and evolutionary threads, but I will finally put my 2 cents in.

Evolution seems to make sense, but I also attribute that to changes in molecules depending on how much of what chemicals are in the air or what the planetary temperature may be at the time, and even gravity, amongst many other things.

I also think there is much more to the story, possibly supernatural, or uber intelligent. I do not know what it is nor could I try to explain it. I just know that nobody ever will be able to know for sure, at least for a very long time.