Does Mike Vick deserve his $100 million dollars

[wildwilliam]

Well? Does he?

[Gold Knight]

First thing, the contract is only $40 million guaranteed, of which the other $60mil likely has some lofty expectations. Secondly, yes. His contract and affiliation with the Eagles and the NFL has nothing to do with his life outside of football; past, present, or future. His current and previous contracts never had any clauses about dogfighting or other illegal acts, nor should they. There is a seperation between one's personal life and their profession. Sure, Vick did some shitty things in his life and probably wont be getting any humanitarian awards, but that has nothing to do with his ability to play the game, which is what he is paid for. Not to mention he is one of the few complete game-changers in the NFL, his value to Philly is obviously worth the risk of his previous lifestyle choices.

[whitestazn88]

First thing, the contract is only $40 million guaranteed, of which the other $60mil likely has some lofty expectations. Secondly, yes. His contract and affiliation with the Eagles and the NFL has nothing to do with his life outside of football; past, present, or future. His current and previous contracts never had any clauses about dogfighting or other illegal acts, nor should they. There is a seperation between one's personal life and their profession. Sure, Vick did some shitty things in his life and probably wont be getting any humanitarian awards, but that has nothing to do with his ability to play the game, which is what he is paid for. Not to mention he is one of the few complete game-changers in the NFL, his value to Philly is obviously worth the risk of his previous lifestyle choices.

He actually won the humanitarian award that the NFL gives out last year...

but yeah, he deserves it in the football sense. I don't understand what the sport contract has anything to do with his personal decisions, which were in the past. should you not receive a promotion at work because one time you got caught banging your wife's best friend 3 years ago and then got divorced because of it?

as for the length of the contract, and the 40 mil guaranteed, i can't be sure. he's not necessarily old, but definitely not a young gun anymore. and we saw last season that his body could get a sustained injury with the danger he likes to put himself into while running.

will they win a super bowl under mike vick? no.

[Symmetry]

If you're not a fan of American football? No.

If you're a fan of American football? Maybe.

This was the dude that murdered pets for money though right?

[QoH]

If you're not a fan of American football? No.

If you're a fan of American football? Maybe.

This was the dude that murdered pets for money though right?

Yep.

And he's being paid to play football, not be nice to animals.

It should be noted though, that I was fully against what Vick did to the dogs, I"m just saying his past life doesn't play a role in his present life, in terms of business.

[chapcrap]

Vick deserves whatever a team is willing to give him.

There is no way I would give him that much if it were me. His playing style is way to conducive to him being injured.

The Eagles have been spending like crazy this offseason. As a Cowboys fan, I'm ticked.

[Symmetry]

If you're not a fan of American football? No.

If you're a fan of American football? Maybe.

This was the dude that murdered pets for money though right?

Yep.

And he's being paid to play football, not be nice to animals.

It should be noted though, that I was fully against what Vick did to the dogs, I"m just saying his past life doesn't play a role in his present life, in terms of business.

Sure, but the question is about what he deserves rather than what he's paid for at the moment.

[QoH]

The wuestion is whether he deserves $100 million dollars for PLAYING FOOTBALL...

...something he does very well. The Eagles are prepared to risk a ton of money investing with him, since he's going to get hurt the way he plays.

[Symmetry]

The wuestion is whether he deserves $100 million dollars for PLAYING FOOTBALL...

...something he does very well. The Eagles are prepared to risk a ton of money investing with him, since he's going to get hurt the way he plays.

Apologies- I was responding to the subject of the thread, and didn't realise that it wasn't about him deserving his $100 million dollars.

Can you forgive me?

[QoH]

You're forgiven

But you kind of twisted the wording a little (at least in my opinion) to make it not exactly what the original question was. I don't know.

[Symmetry]

You're forgiven

But you kind of twisted the wording a little (at least in my opinion) to make it not exactly what the original question was. I don't know.

Apologies, but the original question was "Does Mike Vick deserve his $100 million dollars"?

You added the "for PLAYING FOOTBALL" bit, which simply wasn't there before. You then criticised me for not replying to that subject, even though you added it after my post.

You twisted it into specifically meaning for football. I stuck to whether he deserves it or not.

He does not.

[rockfist]

Who am I to say how much money anyone should make?

[patrickaa317]

The amount anyone makes for doing any job is based on their replace-ability. Mike Vick would be extremely hard to replace thus he will get paid more than Kyle Orton.

If his team is willing to pay him that then he deserves it.

[BigBallinStalin]

Who am I to say how much money anyone should make?

wildwilliam? Is that you?

[Symmetry]

The amount anyone makes for doing any job is based on their replace-ability.

President of the United States.

[BigBallinStalin]

The amount anyone makes for doing any job is based on their replace-ability.

President of the United States.

(Assuming that there's no state-regulated price controls.)

[Symmetry]

The amount anyone makes for doing any job is based on their replace-ability.

President of the United States.

(Assuming that there's no state-regulated price controls.)

I'm personally opposed to the president being involved in government, sounds like the president being involved in government to me.

If you're for (or against) the president being involved in government, I think you'll agree with me that the president should be doing less or perhaps more of whatever he's doing. Or she.

Basically he's being paid too much, or hasn't received enough recognition. Or both. Or both are lies.

Neither of them are lies, and he is a she.

[BigBallinStalin]

The amount anyone makes for doing any job is based on their replace-ability.

President of the United States.

(Assuming that there's no state-regulated price controls.)

I'm personally opposed to the president being involved in government, sounds like the president being involved in government to me.

If you're for (or against) the president being involved in government, I think you'll agree with me that the president should be doing less or perhaps more of whatever he's doing. Or she.

Basically he's being paid too much, or hasn't received enough recognition. Or both. Or both are lies.

Neither of them are lies, and he is a she.

Don't be preposterous! Clearly, the President was crucial to the development of Systems Theory, and for anyone to suggest that he wasn't, he's batshit insane.

[patrickaa317]

The amount anyone makes for doing any job is based on their replace-ability.

President of the United States.

Their are exceptions to this which would primarily include politicians and unions. Politicians in the fact they can vote for their own pay raise and unions in the fact that individuals are paid based on seniority.

[spurgistan]

I think that people who have to go to prison usually end up having paid their debt to society. While I don't really think Mike Vick's contribution to society as a mobile quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles merits $100 million dollars (and like somebody said, only about half guaranteed. NFL contracts are lies), it's hard to think of somebody who does.

[Army of GOD]

Ugh, this thread was ruined once a European (I'm looking at you, Titsetry).

Anyway, I love Vick. I loved him before the dog fighting thing and I still love him. Considering what the Eagles are gonna expect to do team-wise over the next year or so, I think they needed to pay him. This is a stupid thread though. Did anyone make a thread about Jayson Werth last year? No. Why? Because no one cares about the Nationals OR Werth.

[neanderpaul14]

He deserves to be in jail. Or better yet he deserves to be dropped into a cage filled with dogs and torn limb from limb. That would be justice.

[Army of GOD]

He deserves to be in jail. Or better yet he deserves to be dropped into a cage filled with dogs and torn limb from limb. That would be justice.

Why did you let Johnny Rockets haxxor your account???

And no. If he fought pigs no one would care. Maybe I'm ridiculously biased because he's my favorite non-Bronco player, but I think he definitely deserves a second chance. The people he surrounded himself with was an awful idea and I don't remember exactly, but his brother, Marcus Vick, fucked up as well, so it could be a family thing.

Considering he has Tony Dungy as his mentor and Andy Reid as a head coach, I think he's definitely going in the right direction. I have incredible respect for Dungy and I'd be completely surprised if Vick even considers something like this again.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I suppose whether he "deserves" the money depends on how much business he can bring to the team. Apparently whomever is signing the checks thinks he can bring the win and therefore the revenue, through ticket and merchandise sales, advertising, etc.

I'm sure BBS will back me up here.

But other than that I couldn't give a f*ck about football. The fact that a player potentially CAN make $100 million by running around on a field seems odd to me. Just goes to show how many of you are getting suckered into paying for tickets, seats, gear, cable t.v., etc. etc. to watch a group of idiots throw a ball around.

-TG

[Army of GOD]

I suppose whether he "deserves" the money depends on how much business he can bring to the team. Apparently whomever is signing the checks thinks he can bring the win and therefore the revenue, through ticket and merchandise sales, advertising, etc.

I'm sure BBS will back me up here.

But other than that I couldn't give a f*ck about football. The fact that a player potentially CAN make $100 million by running around on a field seems odd to me. Just goes to show how many of you are getting suckered into paying for tickets, seats, gear, cable t.v., etc. etc. to watch a group of idiots throw a ball around.

-TG

I agree, but unless you only watch independent films and such were the actors need another job just to live, then it's kind of hypocritical. Being a football player is a lot harder than acting (I think, I don't know personally though, I just have played football) yet actors make ridiculous amount of money as well. But people, especially football fans, are never going to stop watching games. Just like in the days of the Coliseum, people want to see blood.