Church of England stays classy

[nagerous]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20415689

[bedub1]

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[nagerous]

No opinions on this blatant act of misogyny by the Protestant church (supposedly the more liberal ones amirite?) in the 21st century pushing back decades of reform attempting to create a more equal society?

[Symmetry]

No opinions on this blatant act of misogyny by the Protestant church (supposedly the more liberal ones amirite?) in the 21st century pushing back decades of reform attempting to create a more equal society?

The supreme governor of the Church of England is a woman. Also Protestantism does not equal the CofE.

[nagerous]

No opinions on this blatant act of misogyny by the Protestant church (supposedly the more liberal ones amirite?) in the 21st century pushing back decades of reform attempting to create a more equal society?

The supreme governor of the Church of England is a woman. Also Protestantism does not equal the CofE.

That justifies their vote?

[Symmetry]

No opinions on this blatant act of misogyny by the Protestant church (supposedly the more liberal ones amirite?) in the 21st century pushing back decades of reform attempting to create a more equal society?

The supreme governor of the Church of England is a woman. Also Protestantism does not equal the CofE.

That justifies their vote?

It points out that you're being ridiculous.

[nagerous]

No opinions on this blatant act of misogyny by the Protestant church (supposedly the more liberal ones amirite?) in the 21st century pushing back decades of reform attempting to create a more equal society?

The supreme governor of the Church of England is a woman. Also Protestantism does not equal the CofE.

That justifies their vote?

It points out that you're being ridiculous.

I am sorry that I find this behaviour from the church repulsive, I clearly unlike yourself actually think women should have the same rights as men.

[Symmetry]

No opinions on this blatant act of misogyny by the Protestant church (supposedly the more liberal ones amirite?) in the 21st century pushing back decades of reform attempting to create a more equal society?

The supreme governor of the Church of England is a woman. Also Protestantism does not equal the CofE.

That justifies their vote?

It points out that you're being ridiculous.

I am sorry that I find this behaviour from the church repulsive, I clearly unlike yourself actually think women should have the same rights as men.

Hmm, let's take this argument down a notch or two. You've gotten yourself in to a weird state of annoyance and seem to think that I'm holding positions that I do not hold.

I don't think that the CofE's position on bishops is particularly repulsive. I think it's silly. The CofE is pretty good when it comes to women in its hierarchy. Not perfect, of course, but I'm not sure what you're comparing them to.

Is there some other major religion that has a woman as its head, or perhaps has female vicars?

Now to get down to the nitty-gritty. Obviously your argument that the CofE is the Protestant church was daft. You'll find many Protestants on these fora who have nothing to do with the Church of England. In short, there is no single "Protestant Church".

It certainly isn't the CofE.

[2dimes]

Symm's got you here. You should probably concentrate on making sure the church you attend activly supports your views and values.

Should we vote on those women's right to stand up and use a urinal? What exactly is the attraction to wanting a role in an outfit that does not want them.

I guess if there was enough money in it I'd join the fight for my right to be a woman in some high position of one of these goofy churches. Then again probably not. If this is just a weak excuse to bash chuches in general, sorry to interupt.

[nagerous]

You both pretty much have missed the point. f*ck it. Symmetry is clearly threadjacking by making it seem like I think the Church of England and Protestantism come as one. 2dimes has me down as some form of anguished church goer. It is entertaining to read, but not what I was trying to get at when I made the thread. Oh well, back to posting anonymity.

[2dimes]

Fair enough. I thought your point was women wanted to hold leadership positions in an organisation that voted they can't and that was oppresing them.

I'm cool if you want to leave and stuff, but if you could bear with me for a while. I'll let you explain what you really meant.

[Symmetry]

You both pretty much have missed the point. f*ck it. Symmetry is clearly threadjacking by making it seem like I think the Church of England and Protestantism come as one. 2dimes has me down as some form of anguished church goer. It is entertaining to read, but not what I was trying to get at when I made the thread. Oh well, back to posting anonymity.

Oh dear, how could I have possibly thought that you were equating Protestanism with the CofE?

No opinions on this blatant act of misogyny by the Protestant church (supposedly the more liberal ones amirite?) in the 21st century pushing back decades of reform attempting to create a more equal society?

Oh yes, there was that.

[DoomYoshi]

You are looking at this backwards nag.

By allowing women to become priests, they are promoting an ancient system of bullshit amongst women. Female priests are the ones who are caught back in the middle ages. Hopefully, all females in the Church of England instantly renounce it. Then they will be truly free.

[Phatscotty]

No opinions on this blatant act of misogyny by the Protestant church (supposedly the more liberal ones amirite?) in the 21st century pushing back decades of reform attempting to create a more equal society?

What is the evidence that making women bishops is the right thing to do?

[2dimes]

You are looking at this backwards nag.

By allowing women to become priests, they are promoting an ancient system of bullshit amongst women. Female priests are the ones who are caught back in the middle ages. Hopefully, all females in the Church of England instantly renounce it. Then they will be truly free.

Close but they'll just move into the next strange thing. To compare it to beer...

You have Budwieser which represents the Catholic thing there with priests bishops and the Pope all males.

Then you have Bud Light, which would represent the Church of England, who partly renounced the budwieser but still cling to a bunch of weird traditions. They have some women preists, male bishops, no Pope or if you want to get silly maybe a female Pope if you use the Queen.

If you had a group of women renounce that you'll get O'Doul's.

[Phatscotty]

No opinions on this blatant act of misogyny by the Protestant church (supposedly the more liberal ones amirite?) in the 21st century pushing back decades of reform attempting to create a more equal society?

The supreme governor of the Church of England is a woman. Also Protestantism does not equal the CofE.

That justifies their vote?

It points out that you're being ridiculous.

I am sorry that I find this behaviour from the church repulsive, I clearly unlike yourself actually think women should have the same rights as men.

From the government, surely....or is the Church of England the granter and protector of rights?

[notyou2]

No opinions on this blatant act of misogyny by the Protestant church (supposedly the more liberal ones amirite?) in the 21st century pushing back decades of reform attempting to create a more equal society?

What is the evidence that making women bishops is the right thing to do?

In general, more empathy, which I hear is a Christian value.

[Phatscotty]

No opinions on this blatant act of misogyny by the Protestant church (supposedly the more liberal ones amirite?) in the 21st century pushing back decades of reform attempting to create a more equal society?

What is the evidence that making women bishops is the right thing to do?

In general, more empathy, which I hear is a Christian value.

Sure it is, but that does not mean that there aren't certain jobs or subjects or positions that are meant for men, or that are meant for women, or that men/women are generally better/worse at.

For example: Prison guards. Another, waitresses at hooters

[sam_levi_11]

Because religion is totally renowned for being forward thinking and modern...

[tzor]

Because religion is totally renowned for being forward thinking and modern...

Yes, but can we forget about all those forward thinking religious (mostly monks) who advanced civilization as we know it?

Like the monks who wanted to punctually pray all night and so invented mechancial clocks because sundials didn't work at night?

Like the monks who basically deveoped the whole science of genetics and heredity long before Darwin and DNA?

Like the monks who discovered a way of preserving wine ... called "Brandy."

Let's forget about that for a moment because this isn't about that. It's about roles. The whole thing is based on image.

You may not realize it, but image is important to a church. It's that "comfort food" that binds the people to the church, the smells, the bells the whole image. It's hard enough that the Church of England has really two flavors of "comfort food" (high anglican and low anglican) that flow back and forth over the centuries. Women Priests have only been around in the church for a short time, relatively speaking, and married men a somewhat longer time. It really takes time for change to fliter to the average person, and I point out it wasn't the retiring leader that rejected the idea, if I read the article correctly, but the church at large, democratically, rejecting it.

Consider the Catholic Church; it took decades for them to in general embrace the Vatican II council. It took even longer to filter out all the "Spirit of" nonsense from the other side who wanted to embrace not the council but what they thought was the council. These things, simply take time to mature.

[Iliad]

No opinions on this blatant act of misogyny by the Protestant church (supposedly the more liberal ones amirite?) in the 21st century pushing back decades of reform attempting to create a more equal society?

What is the evidence that making women bishops is the right thing to do?

In general, more empathy, which I hear is a Christian value.

Sure it is, but that does not mean that there aren't certain jobs or subjects or positions that are meant for men, or that are meant for women, or that men/women are generally better/worse at.

For example: Prison guards. Another, waitresses at hooters

Explain how women are less capable of being priests or ministers. I'm all ears.

[DoomYoshi]

No opinions on this blatant act of misogyny by the Protestant church (supposedly the more liberal ones amirite?) in the 21st century pushing back decades of reform attempting to create a more equal society?

What is the evidence that making women bishops is the right thing to do?

In general, more empathy, which I hear is a Christian value.

Sure it is, but that does not mean that there aren't certain jobs or subjects or positions that are meant for men, or that are meant for women, or that men/women are generally better/worse at.

For example: Prison guards. Another, waitresses at hooters

Explain how women are less capable of being priests or ministers. I'm all ears.

Would you trust a woman to molest your little boys? They aren't perverted enough to cause the real physical and emotional trauma we expect from our religious leaders.

[Symmetry]

This thread got silly remarkably quickly.

[2dimes]

There isn't enough women driving boats. When are we going to address that?

[Phatscotty]

No opinions on this blatant act of misogyny by the Protestant church (supposedly the more liberal ones amirite?) in the 21st century pushing back decades of reform attempting to create a more equal society?

What is the evidence that making women bishops is the right thing to do?

In general, more empathy, which I hear is a Christian value.

Sure it is, but that does not mean that there aren't certain jobs or subjects or positions that are meant for men, or that are meant for women, or that men/women are generally better/worse at.

For example: Prison guards. Another, waitresses at hooters

Explain how women are less capable of being priests or ministers. I'm all ears.

I'm not saying that. The Church is, and I don't even know if that is the reason they give.