Votanic wrote:Dukasaur wrote:Votanic wrote:The Grassy Knoll/Second Gunman Conspiracy and The Oswald Did Not Act Alone Conspiracy should be treated as two separate possibilities.
The former is nonsense made by and for people wearing tin foil hats. The latter is quite possible.
Wrong.
Almost nobody on the planet except Jp4f thinks that Oswald acted alone. Even the U.S. Congress in its official inquiry concluded that there almost certainly was a second shooter.
The breakdown between the different theories is not about who did the shooting, but WHY.
The tinfoil hat people believe in some variation on the Jim Garrison theories -- basically that it was the so-called Deep State.
People more grounded in reality believe either in the Mafia theory or the CIA/Cubans theory.
Those are the basic three theories. I'm obviously convinced that it was a Mafia hit, but I'll give a tip of the hat to the people holding out for the Cubans, who granted have amassed a significant amount of evidence.
But nobody who has studied the event is still defending the Warren Commission. Even, as noted, the U.S. Congress has officially repudiated Warren.
Where do begin...
• The grassy Knoll was exposed. A few small trees, a short fence and then a parking lot with a train watch tower with an observer on the other side, and there were people all over the place, coming and going. Nobody was setting up a rifle there.
• Badge Man does not exist. That is not a photo of a person. Dream on.
• Less than a minute after the shooting, everybody headed up the knoll. They weren't all suddenly chasing a shooter. They were trying to get out of view of the sniper that had just shot from the building.. or maybe just get back to their car in the parking lot.
• That entire bullet that guy supposedly found on the back seat and then told people about
60 years later. That's just baloney, whether the third shot came from the depository or the grassy knoll.
• Even if Kennedy's throat wound and Connally's wounds were caused by separate bullets, they still both entered from behind both men, from the Depository.
• The term 'magic bullet' is a reference to the second bullet hitting several times. It does not mean that the bullet had to travel in an impossible curved path, though there may have been slight deflections when it hit bone. There is enough acceptable wiggle room in the exact positioning of Kennedy and Connelly to explain it.
• Babushka Lady, Umbrella Man, and the rest of the that 'gang' are spooky fun, like they just stepped out of a David Lynch fim (
or one by Oliver Stone?) but there is no actual significance.
The dynamics of the third shot explained in detail.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... f/main.pdf
https://www.acsr.org/post/a-technical-i ... assination
More speculative, but is likely that James Tague was injured by the first bullet. The other two shots don't make sense.
Oh my! What a big basket of red herrings you have, grandma!
Did I say anything about Umbrella Man?
So the grassy knoll is without cover? Other than a five-foot high wooden fence, you mean, perfect for the hit team to crouch behind. If you've ever had a wooden fence, you know that it looks completely opaque from a distance, but it's full of knot-holes and crevices when you get close to it.
Pic.
I notice that you didn't mention Frank Sturgis when dumping your basket of fish.
No idea if Badge Man is or isn't a person. There's just not enough pixels to say one way or the other. I wouldn't pick that as a knoll to die on.
The one incontrovertible piece of evidence is the involvement of Jack Ruby. I think I was 10 years old the first time I read about him, and even then I immediately knew it smelled. Only one reason to off a suspect in custody -- to prevent him from talking. Even as a 10-year old I'd read enough about crime investigations to know that. Now if Ruby was fine, upstanding citizen, you could maybe, maybe, swallow his story that he was distraught about the death of Kennedy and couldn't help but act. But Ruby was no fine upstanding citizen. He was everything shady -- a heroin pusher, a pimp (and an abusive pimp at that, although I suppose most of them are), a compulsive gambler, a manager of a crooked nightclub, a low-ranking associate to the local Mafia, and deeply in debt to his capo.
There is only one conceivable reason for Ruby to kill Oswald, with all the personal risk that entailed. To repay his debt to the mob. Even as a 10-year old I could figure that out, and in the half-century since then, I haven't seen on shred of evidence disputing it.
Ruby brings you to Joseph Civello, and Civello brings you to Marcello.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Ci ... s_Marcello
During hearings before the House Select Committee on Crime, Representative Sam Steiger asked Carlos Marcello if he recalled meeting Civello. Marcello replied only, "I've heard of him."[9]
In its investigation of the assassination of John F. Kennedy, the House Select Committee on Assassinations said that it recognized Jack Ruby's murder of Lee Harvey Oswald as a primary reason to suspect organized crime as possibly having involvement in the assassination.[10] In its investigation of Ruby to determine if he was involved in criminal activities and if that involvement was related to the killing of Oswald, the HSCA noted that Ruby was a "personal acquaintance" of Civello and that Civello was an associate of Marcello.[10]
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