Trump will rip apart the Constitution

[Pack Rat]

Fascists for Trump!

[Votanic]

Constitutions are just pieces of paper, Donald Trump is a real human being.
Get your priorities in order.

[mookiemcgee]

Constitutions are just pieces of paper, Donald Trump is a real human being.
Get your priorities in order.

I thought Trump was a god, or is that the other thread?

[saxitoxin]

>Trump will rip apart the Constitution

To get to its rich, delicious caramel center!

[jusplay4fun]

Fascists for Trump!

Doubtful.

The only two worse recent candidates for POTUS, besides, Trump and Biden, were Trump and Hillary.

[Pack Rat]

Fascists for Trump!

Doubtful.

The only two worse recent candidates for POTUS, besides, Trump and Biden, were Trump and Hillary.

Only a pissed off fascist would type something that absurd.

[Pack Rat]

[jusplay4fun]

Fascists for Trump!

Doubtful.

The only two worse recent candidates for POTUS, besides, Trump and Biden, were Trump and Hillary.

Only a pissed off fascist would type something that absurd.

absurd? The premise of this thread is absurd. Any POTUS takes an oath to NOT do so.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation: – “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

How did Trump, while President, threaten the US Constitution? Please offer specific evidence.

[Votanic]

Fascists for Trump!

Doubtful.

The only two worse recent candidates for POTUS, besides, Trump and Biden, were Trump and Hillary.

Only a pissed off fascist would type something that absurd.

absurd? The premise of this thread is absurd. Any POTUS takes an oath to NOT do so.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation: – “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

How did Trump, while President, threaten the US Constitution? Please offer specific evidence.

Constitution (CON): Constitution is a term which encompasses the character's physique, toughness, health and resistance to disease and poison; a high constitution score indicates superiority in all these attributes. The higher a character's constitution, the more hit points that character will have.

A high Constitution with a +5 on saving throws is an innate feature of the United State's character class and is not dependent on the possession of any magical scrolls stored in the National Archive dungeon complex.

[Pack Rat]

Fascists for Trump!

Doubtful.

The only two worse recent candidates for POTUS, besides, Trump and Biden, were Trump and Hillary.

Only a pissed off fascist would type something that absurd.

absurd? The premise of this thread is absurd. Any POTUS takes an oath to NOT do so.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation: – “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

How did Trump, while President, threaten the US Constitution? Please offer specific evidence.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't force the horse to drink it.

[pmac666]

Fascists for Trump!

Doubtful.

The only two worse recent candidates for POTUS, besides, Trump and Biden, were Trump and Hillary.

Only a pissed off fascist would type something that absurd.

absurd? The premise of this thread is absurd. Any POTUS takes an oath to NOT do so.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation: – “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

How did Trump, while President, threaten the US Constitution? Please offer specific evidence.

Thats a very funny post considering the Colorado ruling.

[Votanic]

You mean the Colorado misruling that was rushed through by biased, leftist-politico judges, long before Trump is even convicted (if ever) of what they decided to determine without trial and then inappropriately punish without any legal (or reasonable) precendent.

...and yes, if Trump can be so outrageously sentenced both ante iudicium and in absentia, then this will also reightfully cast doubt on any other judgements that Trump may receive from biased and politically motivated courts.
If the Democrats continue to willfully confuse unjust court actions with a true 'Rule of Law', then there is significant trouble ahead the United States, both government and people.

[pmac666]

You mean the Colorado misruling that was rushed through by biased, leftist-politico judges, long before Trump is even convicted (if ever) of what they decided to determine without trial and then inappropriately punish without any legal (or reasonable) precendent.

...and yes, if Trump can be so outrageously sentenced both ante iudicium and in absentia, then this will also reightfully cast doubt on any other judgements that Trump may receive from biased and politically motivated courts.
If the Democrats continue to willfully confuse unjust court actions with a true 'Rule of Law', then there is significant trouble ahead the United States, both government and people.

Law and order baby!

[mookiemcgee]

You mean the Colorado misruling that was rushed through by biased, leftist-politico judges, long before Trump is even convicted (if ever) of what they decided to determine without trial and then inappropriately punish without any legal (or reasonable) precendent.

...and yes, if Trump can be so outrageously sentenced both ante iudicium and in absentia, then this will also reightfully cast doubt on any other judgements that Trump may receive from biased and politically motivated courts.
If the Democrats continue to willfully confuse unjust court actions with a true 'Rule of Law', then there is significant trouble ahead the United States, both government and people.

Did you read the opinions? Did you read the argument from the lawyers arguing against the Trumps removal from the ballot?

NONE OF THEM made a single argument suggesting he was 'innocent' of the infraction that would trigger the 14th ammendment. All the arguments were about if CO had the authority to enact the 14th, and if the 'the presidency' is an 'office' of the USG.

But i get it. Maybe you decided before you actually reading anything.

Here's the actual arguments, and opinions submmited by the justices.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfile ... 3SA300.pdf


Here's the best article I've read about the ruling (written by an actual lawyer).
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... edit-promo

[Votanic]

You mean the Colorado misruling that was rushed through by biased, leftist-politico judges, long before Trump is even convicted (if ever) of what they decided to determine without trial and then inappropriately punish without any legal (or reasonable) precendent.

...and yes, if Trump can be so outrageously sentenced both ante iudicium and in absentia, then this will also reightfully cast doubt on any other judgements that Trump may receive from biased and politically motivated courts.
If the Democrats continue to willfully confuse unjust court actions with a true 'Rule of Law', then there is significant trouble ahead the United States, both government and people.

Did you read the opinions? Did you read the argument from the lawyers arguing against the Trumps removal from the ballot?

NONE OF THEM made a single argument suggesting he was 'innocent' of the infraction that would trigger the 14th ammendment. All the arguments were about if CO had the authority to enact the 14th, and if the 'the presidency' is an 'office' of the USG.

But i get it. Maybe you decided before you actually reading anything.

Here's the actual arguments, and opinions submmited by the justices.
https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfile ... 3SA300.pdf


Here's the best article I've read about the ruling (written by an actual lawyer).
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... edit-promo

That the judges did not even consider his innocence is fully in line with my argument.
Let's face it, the Left only loves the First Amendment and the concept of Civil Disobedience when it works in their favor.

[Pack Rat]

Trump is a insurrectionist and a traitor. He is also a racist and a fascist.

The evidence is clear and most of the witnesses are Republicans. We can also included audio recordings to boot.

I won't bother your MAGA brain with his lousy business practices, as it would implode your brain.

The Republicans are a bunch of self-serving and spineless politicians who have put Party over Country.

[Votanic]

Trump is a insurrectionist and a traitor. He is also a racist and a fascist.

The evidence is clear and most of the witnesses are Republicans. We can also included audio recordings to boot.

I won't bother your MAGA brain with his lousy business practices, as it would implode your brain.

The Republicans are a bunch of self-serving and spineless politicians who have put Party over Country.

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of ...

(mirthful chuckle) It is a thin and vague line indeed between an 'insurrectionist' and a 'patriot'.
I suppose along the way of ordering to form a more perfect Union, such insurrectionists/patriots will inevitably encounter those with a vested interest in maintaining the less perfect status quo.

[GaryDenton]

Look on Trump's website for Agenda 47. Look on the billionaire-funded extremist think tank websites for Project 2025.

They are quite open about making Trump a strongman dictator and redoing America's foreign policy to support other dictators.
He has realized gays aren't his people and will march towards criminalizing homosexuality.
All colleges and public schools must push the right-wing agenda and remove liberals.
All government agencies will go back to the spoils system for employees, only rightwing agents to be appointed.
Donald Trump wants to functionally end the civil service system and replace the top levels of the nation’s 2.7 million federal workers with people loyal exclusively to himself.
Reestablish the 1829 spoils system, all appointees must be loyal to him and it helps if they made donations for jobs.
He tried to do this in the last months of his presidency through an October 21, 2020, executive order, Schedule F, (which Biden reversed on his first day in office) that reclassified millions of workers out of their civil service jobs and into political appointee positions, doing the same work but now entirely dependent on the goodwill of the president to keep their jobs.
All government regulations will be gutted, the large corporations know best.
A policy for bankrupting by lawsuits media that doesn't support Trump and the new government.
Law and order works better with fast executions, included.
In a flashback to Hitler’s “work camps,” which preceded the death camps by five years, Trump has also proposed building concentration camps around the country to house “millions” of undocumented aliens and his political enemies. As he noted in a speech on Veterans’ Day this year:
We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country that lie and steal and cheat on elections.
Adding that Russia isn’t a problem, he concluded:
"The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave than the threat from within. Our threat is from within.”
Presumably, that means people like me, and other conservatives and liberals, who would oppose his fascist agenda.
The Department of Justice and the FBI will be tasked with tracking down those who oppose his state. He wants to imprison them, as well as the prosecutors and judges who have been participating in the effort to hold him to account for the crimes he committed over the past seven years.
Between Agenda 47 and Project 2025, Donald Trump and the right-wing billionaires who own the GOP have big plans for this nation, regardless of which Republican takes the White House next. They’re deadly serious and far better funded than any of the groups that fight for and advocate democracy. - Thom Hartmann

'The Federalist' and conservative media are already strongly supporting this, saying the government functions better without independent bureaucrats. "Trump’s Agenda 47 and Project 2025, a conservative movement project led by The Heritage Foundation, aim to empower a conservative president to fire executive branch workers who would oppose the president’s goals."

Since launching his 2024 presidential campaign, Donald J. Trump has said the “termination” of the Constitution would have been justified to overturn the 2020 election, told followers “I am your retribution” and vowed to use the Justice Department to prosecute his adversaries — starting with President Biden and his family.

Beneath these public threats is a series of plans by Mr. Trump and his allies that would upend core elements of American governance, democracy, foreign policy and the rule of law if he regained the White House.

Some of these themes trace back to the final period of Mr. Trump’s term in office. By that stage, his key advisers had learned how to more effectively wield power and Mr. Trump had fired officials who resisted some of his impulses and replaced them with loyalists. Then he lost the 2020 election and was cast out of power.

In the first term, all lawyers and judges had to be vetted by Constitutionalist Federalist Society lawyers. They have decided many of those appointed were not extreme enough and they will do a better job of vetting next time.

Shared:
https://www.nytimes.com/article/trump-2 ... =url-share

[GaryDenton]

But look at the arguments of the Right, they seem barely literate, can't read, and who see everything through their biased agenda.
It was the opposition that didn't even bother deciding Trump was innocent in the Colorado decision..

[Votanic]

But look at the arguments of the Right, they seem barely literate, can't read, and who see everything through their biased agenda.
It was the opposition that didn't even bother deciding Trump was innocent.

But is the Left that has constantly modified and distorted the original intentions of the United States. If Orignal Intent was respected much of those self-serving rearrangements would have never occurred. Doubtlessly, the Founding Fathers would all be pilloried and shunned by the New Left today if they were still alive*. Therefore it is a supreme irony that the Left also pretends to hold the documents written then so close their hearts, albeit versions of those documents that have modified and misinterpeted almost beyond recognition.

* Or even if they are not. For one example. that "better than real history" play, Hamilton which is now lauded by New York liberals who are desperately intent on transforming history as radically as they have already attmpted to modify human gender and sexuality.

[Dukasaur]

Myself, I am encouraged to see Nikki Haley surging.

If moderate Republicans can win back the party and nominate Haley, all these Trump trials become divorced from the election and become just criminal trials of a has-been.

[saxitoxin]

Myself, I am encouraged to see Nikki Haley surging.

"Life has been boring since the U.S. stopped doing land invasions. I hope we can get the Bush band back together again."

If that evil bitch is the nominee I'm voting Cornel West. I won't even vote Trump if she's the VP. Saxi don't do neocons. I can do a realist like Trump. But never a neocon.

[jusplay4fun]

Trump is a insurrectionist and a traitor. He is also a racist and a fascist.

The evidence is clear and most of the witnesses are Republicans. We can also included audio recordings to boot.

I won't bother your MAGA brain with his lousy business practices, as it would implode your brain.

The Republicans are a bunch of self-serving and spineless politicians who have put Party over Country.

What makes you think that those in the Democrat Party are any better?

One of the big things that Trump opponents cite is that Trump is aN "insurrectionist and a traitor." The actuality is that Trump LOVES America. One big actual problem with Trump is that he has a narrow view of what makes America Great; I think his view goes back to America of the 1950s and 1960s. Trump is not inclusive enough. I see little evidence that Trump is a racist; he was a Democrat (at least he donated LOTS of money to Democrat politicians, before running for President). Democrats LOVE to throw around the accusation of racism; they use the term as a "Scarlet Letter." They do so indiscriminately against Republicans, often based on very flimsy evidence. And the weak-minded often fall for such lies and obfuscations.

Trump has never been convicted of insurrection. His actions of Jan 6, 2021 have been analyzed and is it NOT CLEAR that his words indicated an actual insurrection. He did not lead the charge up Capitol Hill. Most of those who heard his words did not take part in the "insurrection" or the storming of the Capitol. Could someone interpret Trump's words as a call to action? Yes. Did some of his supporters go TOO FAR? Yes definitely. One of the faults I find for Trump is that he did little to counteract the assault in the first few hours. BUT the responsibility for the security of the Capitol rests with the Speaker of the House, and her (Pelosi's) lack of action (before the actual assault) has not been properly investigated.

So, is Trump guilty of an insurrection? Not Definitive, AND Trump has not been convicted as such. I am not aware that he has been even CHARGED with insurrection:

The Charges That Were Notably Absent From the Trump Indictment
An indictment this week did not accuse former President Donald Trump of inciting the mob that attacked the Capitol, but it did show that some close to him knew violence might be coming.

There was something noticeably absent when the special counsel, Jack Smith, unsealed an indictment this week charging former President Donald J. Trump with multiple conspiracies to overturn the 2020 election: any count that directly accused Mr. Trump of being responsible for the violence his supporters committed at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

The indictment asserted that as violence erupted that day, Mr. Trump “exploited the disruption,” using it to further his goal of stopping the certification of his loss in the election. But it stopped short of charging him with actually encouraging or inciting the mob that stormed the building, chasing lawmakers from their duties.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/03/us/p ... lence.html

Bottom Line: Do I want Trump to be President, again? No.

[pmac666]

A little history for you.

1973: The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations — sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to Black tenants and lied to Black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to previous discrimination.

1980s: Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, accused another one of Trump’s businesses of discrimination. “When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Brown said. “It was the eighties, I was a teenager, but I remember it: They put us all in the back.”

1989: In a controversial case that’s been characterized as a modern-day lynching, four Black teenagers and one Latino teenager — the “Central Park Five” — were accused of attacking and raping a jogger in New York City. Trump immediately took charge in the case, running an ad in local papers demanding, “BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!” The teens’ convictions were later vacated after they spent seven to 13 years in prison, and the city paid $41 million in a settlement to the teens. But Trump in October 2016 said he still believes they’re guilty, despite the DNA evidence to the contrary.

1991: A book by John O’Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, quoted Trump’s criticism of a Black accountant: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.” Trump later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred Black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.

1993: In congressional testimony, Trump said that some Native American reservations operating casinos shouldn’t be allowed because “they don’t look like Indians to me.”

2000: In opposition to a casino proposed by the St. Regis Mohawk tribe, which he saw as a financial threat to his casinos in Atlantic City, Trump secretly ran a series of ads suggesting the tribe had a “record of criminal activity [that] is well documented.”

2004: In season two of The Apprentice, Trump fired Kevin Allen, a Black contestant, for being overeducated. “You’re an unbelievably talented guy in terms of education, and you haven’t done anything,” Trump said on the show. “At some point you have to say, ‘That’s enough.’”

2005: Trump publicly pitched what was essentially The Apprentice: White People vs. Black People. He said he “wasn’t particularly happy” with the most recent season of his show, so he was considering “an idea that is fairly controversial — creating a team of successful African Americans versus a team of successful whites. Whether people like that idea or not, it is somewhat reflective of our very vicious world.”

2010: In 2010, there was a huge national controversy over the “Ground Zero Mosque” — a proposal to build a Muslim community center in Lower Manhattan, near the site of the 9/11 attacks. Trump opposed the project, calling it “insensitive,” and offered to buy out one of the investors in the project. On The Late Show With David Letterman, Trump argued, referring to Muslims, “Well, somebody’s blowing us up. Somebody’s blowing up buildings, and somebody’s doing lots of bad stuff.”

2011: Trump played a big role in pushing false rumors that Obama — the country’s first Black president — was not born in the US. He claimed to send investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama’s birth certificate. Obama later released his birth certificate, calling Trump a “carnival barker.” The research has found a strong correlation between birtherism, as the conspiracy theory is called, and racism. But Trump has reportedly continued pushing this conspiracy theory in private.

2011: While Trump suggested that Obama wasn’t born in the US, he also argued that maybe Obama wasn’t a good enough student to have gotten into Columbia or Harvard Law School, and demanded Obama release his university transcripts. Trump claimed, “I heard he was a terrible student. Terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?”

Trump launched his campaign in 2015 by calling Mexican immigrants “rapists” who are “bringing crime” and “bringing drugs” to the US. His campaign was largely built on building a wall to keep these immigrants out of the US.

As a candidate in 2015, Trump called for a ban on all Muslims coming into the US. His administration eventually implemented a significantly watered-down version of the policy.

When asked at a 2016 Republican debate whether all 1.6 billion Muslims hate the US, Trump said, “I mean a lot of them. I mean a lot of them.”

He argued in 2016 that Judge Gonzalo Curiel — who was overseeing the Trump University lawsuit — should recuse himself from the case because of his Mexican heritage and membership in a Latino lawyers association. House Speaker Paul Ryan, who endorsed Trump, later called such comments “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”

Trump has been repeatedly slow to condemn white supremacists who endorse him, and he regularly retweeted messages from white supremacists and neo-Nazis during his presidential campaign.

He tweeted and later deleted an image that showed Hillary Clinton in front of a pile of money and by a Jewish Star of David that said, “Most Corrupt Candidate Ever!” The tweet had some very obvious anti-Semitic imagery, but Trump insisted that the star was a sheriff’s badge, and said his campaign shouldn’t have deleted it.

Trump has repeatedly referred to Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) as “Pocahontas,” using her controversial — and later walked-back — claims to Native American heritage as a punchline.

At the 2016 Republican convention, Trump officially seized the mantle of the “law and order” candidate — an obvious dog whistle playing to white fears of Black crime, even though crime in the US is historically low. His speeches, comments, and executive actions after he took office have continued this line of messaging.

In a pitch to Black voters in 2016, Trump said, “You’re living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58 percent of your youth is unemployed. What the hell do you have to lose?”

Trump stereotyped a Black reporter at a press conference in February 2017. When April Ryan asked him if he plans to meet and work with the Congressional Black Caucus, he repeatedly asked her to set up the meeting — even as she insisted that she’s “just a reporter.”

In the week after white supremacist protests in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August 2017, Trump repeatedly said that “many sides” and “both sides” were to blame for the violence and chaos that ensued — suggesting that the white supremacist protesters were morally equivalent to counterprotesters who stood against racism. He also said that there were “some very fine people” among the white supremacists. All of this seemed like a dog whistle to white supremacists — and many of them took it as one, with white nationalist Richard Spencer praising Trump for “defending the truth.”

Throughout 2017, Trump repeatedly attacked NFL players who, by kneeling or otherwise silently protesting during the national anthem, demonstrated against systemic racism in America.

Trump reportedly said in 2017 that people who came to the US from Haiti “all have AIDS,” and he lamented that people who came to the US from Nigeria would never “go back to their huts” once they saw America. The White House denied that Trump ever made these comments.
Speaking about immigration in a bipartisan meeting in January 2018, Trump reportedly asked, in reference to Haiti and African countries, “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” He then reportedly suggested that the US should take more people from countries like Norway. The implication: Immigrants from predominantly white countries are good, while immigrants from predominantly Black countries are bad.

Trump denied making the “shithole” comments, although some senators present at the meeting said they happened. The White House, meanwhile, suggested that the comments, like Trump’s remarks about the NFL protests, will play well to his base. The only connection between Trump’s remarks about the NFL protests and his “shithole” comments is race.

Trump mocked Elizabeth Warren’s presidential campaign, again calling her “Pocahontas” in a 2019 tweet before adding, “See you on the campaign TRAIL, Liz!” The capitalized “TRAIL” is seemingly a reference to the Trail of Tears — a horrific act of ethnic cleansing in the 19th century in which Native Americans were forcibly relocated, causing thousands of deaths.

Trump tweeted later that year that several Black and brown members of Congress — Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Ayanna Pressley (D-MA), Ilhan Omar (D-MN), and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) — are “from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe” and that they should “go back” to those countries. It’s a common racist trope to say that Black and brown people, particularly immigrants, should go back to their countries of origin. Three of the four members of Congress whom Trump targeted were born in the US.

Trump has called the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus the “Chinese virus” and “kung flu.” The World Health Organization advises against linking a virus to any particular region, since it can lead to stigma. Trump’s adviser, Kellyanne Conway, previously described the term “kung flu” as “highly offensive.” Meanwhile, Asian Americans have reported hateful incidents targeting them due to the spread of the coronavirus.

Trump suggested that Kamala Harris, who’s Black and South Asian, “doesn’t meet the requirements” to be former Vice President and Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden’s running mate — yet another example of birtherism.

[pmac666]

And not to forget.....

immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our country"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKPFjAh ... l=POLITICO