Weaponized Black Death

[DaGip]

I truly do not think you are ready for the horror.

[Apatheist]

Why is the cross-holder flicking a V at the ones in front?
The plague can be treated by antibiotics if you're quick enough. Fortunately most of the world don't have to get a mortgage to pay for them.

[zen330]

Keep in mind that a lot of "news" is either propaganda or fear porn, and that fear correlates with weakened immune responses and bad decision making in general..

Lots of good ways to get/keep your body healthy, something people should be going for regardless of whether or not they fear any "plague" or similar.

[ConfederateSS]

----------------The Cross guy is saying........Deuces .....Peace out... ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[Apatheist]

Keep in mind that a lot of "news" is either propaganda or fear porn, and that fear correlates with weakened immune responses and bad decision making in general..

Lots of good ways to get/keep your body healthy, something people should be going for regardless of whether or not they fear any "plague" or similar.

So you're an anti-vaxxer? Will you refuse the antibiotics if you get infected?

[ConfederateSS]

-----------------IF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD..............YOU HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR....... ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion"...

[zen330]

Keep in mind that a lot of "news" is either propaganda or fear porn, and that fear correlates with weakened immune responses and bad decision making in general..

Lots of good ways to get/keep your body healthy, something people should be going for regardless of whether or not they fear any "plague" or similar.

So you're an anti-vaxxer? Will you refuse the antibiotics if you get infected?

I'm not sure your questions naturally follow from my comment, though I will leave a link below and see what comes of it.. and maybe ask if you have ever looked at the terrain theory model as compared to the germ theory model (I mean actually looked, not looking for some "debunking" website or article and taking it at its word) and if so what your thoughts on the two are.

https://odysee.com/@hipsterious/HB_outp ... e-you-were

[Dukasaur]

-----------------IF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD..............YOU HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR....... ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion"...

Basically, everyone who got the plague originally, believed in god. He let them die a slow and painful death just the same.

[Apatheist]

Keep in mind that a lot of "news" is either propaganda or fear porn, and that fear correlates with weakened immune responses and bad decision making in general..

Lots of good ways to get/keep your body healthy, something people should be going for regardless of whether or not they fear any "plague" or similar.

So you're an anti-vaxxer? Will you refuse the antibiotics if you get infected?

I'm not sure your questions naturally follow from my comment, though I will leave a link below and see what comes of it.. and maybe ask if you have ever looked at the terrain theory model as compared to the germ theory model (I mean actually looked, not looking for some "debunking" website or article and taking it at its word) and if so what your thoughts on the two are.

https://odysee.com/@hipsterious/HB_outp ... e-you-were

The use of terms such as "propaganda" and "fear porn" suggests that you're in the camp that thinks Covid, and possibly this, are not genuine problems and plots by "Big Pharma" to increase sales; or at least in the "I don't need a vaccine, I have an immune system" category.
Medical opinion differs on just about everything, but almost all the world agreed on needing a vaccine (apart from North Korea, where there was only one case...apparently ).

Vaccines are a GOOD thing. The Covid one was, of necessity, rushed, but a lot of resources were put behind it, and things like polio and smallpox have pretty much disappeared (smallpox entirely) where people are vaccinated.
I'm not medical in any way; that's why I leave it to them to tell me what I need to do to protect myself. They're not perfect but they know a heck of a lot more than I do on the subject.

[zen330]

I'll be rather broad and Socratic (as best I can anyways) and reply to your post with questions and resources you or others can reflect on and look into for yourselves, or perhaps discuss with me via DM for those interested in a polite and rational discussion away from the piling-on that tends to occur when someone takes a sceptical stance towards "conventional wisdom" on forums comprised mainly of conventional thinkers who may act angrily when having their beliefs challenged.

Once again I would advise people reading this to actually question and research, not rely on emotions or conditioning or simple web-searches or AI replies that can easily enough be tainted if not outright defamatory (see for example various wikipedia entries on non-conventional people).


What forces effectively took over "medicine" in the US circa 1913, and how honorable and wise do those forces seem to be?

What is the correlation between children's health and vaccines (see my last post)?

How much of the increasing lifespan of humans over the last hundred years or so can be attributed to safer vehicles and workplaces (eg. a move away from quite dangerous farm and factory work), a decrease in pollution, and the improvement of emergency medicine, plus keeping elderly people in very bad health alive at the end of their lives (and at very high costs contributing to massive national debt loads)?

What is the general "health-span" of humans now as compared to a century ago, for example what are the changes in rates of cancer, diabetes, obesity, allergies/auto-immune disorders, autism and similar, dementia, and mental health issues?

What is the rate of iatrocide (death by doctor), especially when trying to factor in cases where accidents causing serious injury or death were covered up?

What are the overall effects on human health of most pharma drugs, and should the negative effects rightly be diminished by terming them "side-effects" when in many cases they are quite serious?

Are Koch's Postulates a reasonable test of the virology hypothesis, and if so what does overall testing of those postulates reveal?

What did the inventor of PCR technology (Kary Mullis) say about using his technology as a "test", and how many strange substances (eg. purified water, motor oil, and various fruits) have been determined to be "covid positive"?

How many conditions (polio and smallpox included) can be labelled as another disease when doctors are led or pressured to believe/state that people have been protected against the first labelled disease conditions by vaccines?


Some related names and other sources to look into. Note that these are general suggestions, and that some degree or error or strange views on other topics is not proof of bad reasoning or ethics on the topics above:

- Dr. Tom Cowan MD, Dr. Andrew Kaufman MD, Drs. Samantha and Mark Bailey MDs (all with youtube channels, though their videos there are likely suppressed so people might want to check their alt tech channels on Bitchute.com, Odysee.com, and Rumble.com).

- Mike Stone and his AntiViral series (13 five-ish minute long videos).

- Former big pharma insiders Sasha Latypova and Dr. Mike Yeadon.

- Gary Null (on various topic including iatrocide), see his documentaries and/or website with many articles.

[SoN!c]

I believe GOD does not favour the stupid.

[Apatheist]

I'll be rather broad and Socratic (as best I can anyways) and reply to your post with questions and resources you or others can reflect on and look into for yourselves, or perhaps discuss with me via DM for those interested in a polite and rational discussion away from the piling-on that tends to occur when someone takes a sceptical stance towards "conventional wisdom" on forums comprised mainly of conventional thinkers who may act angrily when having their beliefs challenged.

Once again I would advise people reading this to actually question and research, not rely on emotions or conditioning or simple web-searches or AI replies that can easily enough be tainted if not outright defamatory (see for example various wikipedia entries on non-conventional people).


What forces effectively took over "medicine" in the US circa 1913, and how honorable and wise do those forces seem to be?

What is the correlation between children's health and vaccines (see my last post)?

How much of the increasing lifespan of humans over the last hundred years or so can be attributed to safer vehicles and workplaces (eg. a move away from quite dangerous farm and factory work), a decrease in pollution, and the improvement of emergency medicine, plus keeping elderly people in very bad health alive at the end of their lives (and at very high costs contributing to massive national debt loads)?

What is the general "health-span" of humans now as compared to a century ago, for example what are the changes in rates of cancer, diabetes, obesity, allergies/auto-immune disorders, autism and similar, dementia, and mental health issues?

What is the rate of iatrocide (death by doctor), especially when trying to factor in cases where accidents causing serious injury or death were covered up?

What are the overall effects on human health of most pharma drugs, and should the negative effects rightly be diminished by terming them "side-effects" when in many cases they are quite serious?

Are Koch's Postulates a reasonable test of the virology hypothesis, and if so what does overall testing of those postulates reveal?

What did the inventor of PCR technology (Kary Mullis) say about using his technology as a "test", and how many strange substances (eg. purified water, motor oil, and various fruits) have been determined to be "covid positive"?

How many conditions (polio and smallpox included) can be labelled as another disease when doctors are led or pressured to believe/state that people have been protected against the first labelled disease conditions by vaccines?


Some related names and other sources to look into. Note that these are general suggestions, and that some degree or error or strange views on other topics is not proof of bad reasoning or ethics on the topics above:

- Dr. Tom Cowan MD, Dr. Andrew Kaufman MD, Drs. Samantha and Mark Bailey MDs (all with youtube channels, though their videos there are likely suppressed so people might want to check their alt tech channels on Bitchute.com, Odysee.com, and Rumble.com).

- Mike Stone and his AntiViral series (13 five-ish minute long videos).

- Former big pharma insiders Sasha Latypova and Dr. Mike Yeadon.

- Gary Null (on various topic including iatrocide), see his documentaries and/or website with many articles.

We can maintain a rational discussion in here - just ignore those who choose not to.
Don't dismiss AI searches - they simply organise the information that one's own search would find, but they provide a link for one to check for oneself.
I think, though, rather than posing questions, it would be a better debate if you posted answers and links to sources that back them up. I doubt many will have the time or energy to commit to trying to answer all these questions themselves, especially if they are of an opposing view.
One general point about your questions is that I always find it invidious to compare medical data across time. Diagnosis in the past was less sophisticated and therefore less accurate; I hate it when doctors ask about family history. I want to be plugged in to something that goes beep rather than rely on assessments made on machines constructed from Bakelite and leather. There's more awareness now - campaigns to get people checked, instant news - which will push up diagnosis rates. Also, people simply didn't discuss "such things" back then. I think my grandfather went to hospital for a prostate issue, but he never discussed the symptoms or the operation.
I'd also argue that the situation differs greatly in the US from the rest of the world. It's in their interest to prescribe as much as possible, whereas in the UK for example, it's in the interest of the NHS to prescribe as little as possible, and it has to be cost-effective to be justified.

Do I believe that people label smallpox as something else to avoid people thinking the vaccines don't work? Under totalitarian states, maybe. In western democracies, particularly with today's social media which makes whistle-blowing so much easier - never in a million years. Of course they have to consider a "panic management" issue, and some things may only become apparent after the event, but I don't believe anything like that stays hidden.

[zen330]

My question re. AI here is what data is it trained on and how is it trained to view this data.. and if search is quite corrupted (see similarly "The Dead Internet Theory") and in an era where half of all published scientific studies can't be replicated (termed "The Replication Crisis", see the editorial in The Lancet discussing this if search will find it for you, and note that the smaller studies that nobody would be expected to replicate are probably more prone to this issue than the big ones) then trusting AI seems foolhardy - and this is not even mentioning the ongoing issues with "hallucinations" and engrained bias via those paid to train the programs in the first place.

It is my understanding that the UK is not in great shape re. health (if there is one group we should credit with the good or bad health of a society it should be the dominant medical system I would think) and also with massive costs threatening bankruptcy if they continue on their current trend for much longer.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c20q07w3gl9o - UK healthy life expectancy falls by two years in past decade

I didn't just pose questions I also gave sources that one could find rather easily, I don't see why you wouldn't take the time to check some of them out unless you are not actually open to differing views, similarly I would have thought you would have expressed some interest in the link I did give showing a strong correlation between vaccines and poor childhood health.

Re. "smallpox" you seem to assume that that term describes one medical condition with a proven cause without major overlap with other stated disease conditions that it could just as easily be labelled as instead given a bit of pressure.. what makes you so sure that is the case?

One more freebee, https://www.youtube.com/@ViroLIEgy (the AntiViral series by Mike Stone plus a few other selected videos). Note the tiny amount of views the videos are getting on youtube despite what one would expect for such short and succinct videos on such a hot topic on such a massive site like that, something pretty much impossible without some very serious suppression IMO.

[Apatheist]

I think you need to state what your views are, and what these sources say, as for example JP4fun does. It may be that people agree with the viewpoints, so there's no need to check them out. Posting a short idea of what those links say, though, makes it easier for the reader to decide whether to spend the time on them. We're here to play Risk, not doing a research thesis
A quick search says that smallpox (caused by the Variola virus) was declared eradicated by the WHO (not Roger Daltrey & co) in 1980. I have no reason to doubt what they say; if you do, provide a link to evidence (rather than just a sceptical opinion). What makes you so sure that it's not the case?
Small Youtube figures may be due to a few views resulting in instant widespread dismissal. On a subject about which I do know something, astronomy, there's a professor called Avi Loeb who appears in the news every time there's something odd and claims it's aliens - until serious astronomers refute his claims and no-one bothers to look any more. I suspect that's what happens with your outlier medical videos.
The NHS is in crisis, for various reasons, but I'd still take it over the American system. Life expectancy is changing in part due to the demographic mix of the population and unsustainable (and unpredictable) increases therein. It won't be allowed to go bankrupt though. Hopefully they'll just realise that they shouldn't be wasting money on painting rainbows and hiring DEI directors for the most diverse workforce in the country.
As I said with AI, it just organises your search results. You can put "-ai" in the google window if you want to. I wouldn't trust the AI results, other than to provide a link to follow.
Are they biased? Of course, there are sponsored results. Other than going to the library to read an out of date encyclopedia, though, I don't think there's any other way to find out stuff. You just need to check what it throws up.