Free Tibet!

DaGip · Post by **DaGip** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:18 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hGzLRUT ... re=related

Sounds like a good cause to me.

Cronus · Post by **Cronus** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:25 am

not even the Dalai Lama says that Tibet should be independent. They however should be allowed to keep their culture and not have it systematically destroyed by the Han Chinese, who have essentially been bussed into Tibet to dilute the power and presence of native Tibetans. This accompanied with the fact that Chinese leaders view Tibetan culture as a threat to stability creates a problem. They see everything as subversion and rebellion even if they just like the people in other provinces are really just wanting more self-rule/democracy not necessarily independence.

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:31 am

I can't vote, I can't decide whether to go with the third or the sixth option. On the one hand, China did invade an other sovereign nation and is systematically attempting to destroy the culture of the people who previously lived there, on the other hand I want Norse back on these forums.

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:40 am

Yes Tibet should be freed from oppressive Chinese rule

Dancing Mustard · Post by **Dancing Mustard** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:41 am

Actually I think we should pay at least a nominal sum; otherwise we're just ripping someone off.

DaGip · Post by **DaGip** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:53 am

Dancing Mustard wrote:Actually I think we should pay at least a nominal sum; otherwise we're just ripping someone off.

I was a little slow on that one, DM...but I eventually got it.

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:54 am

nagerous wrote:Yes Tibet should be freed from oppressive Chinese rule

Agreed

ignotus · Post by **ignotus** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:00 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:
nagerous wrote:Yes Tibet should be freed from oppressive Chinese rule
Agreed

I always agree!

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:05 pm

... The foreign journalists all got the boot... Now folks will start to die.

... Scary place sometimes, China, and the Chinese don't even know it's happening.

...

LordPhantom · Post by **LordPhantom** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:42 pm

China's aggressiveness will come back to haunt them.

reminisco · Post by **reminisco** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:15 pm

I for one welcome our new Overlords, and the opportunity to join the glorious communist revolution!

finally, all of that bothersome thinking for myself will be over, they'll just TELL me what to think.

snoogans!

DaGip · Post by **DaGip** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:31 pm

LordPhantom wrote:The main reason I support Tibet is because I hate China.

Absolutely, positively the best answer I have fucking heard on this subject!

I couldn't agree more! China fucked with YouTube and the entire Internet the other day. I live in a free country and deserve to not have YouTube shut down or censored by China! I like freedom of information and ideas. China can go sit on a fucking egg! FREE TIBET!

Jenos Ridan · Post by **Jenos Ridan** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:59 pm

ignotus wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:
nagerous wrote:Yes Tibet should be freed from oppressive Chinese rule
Agreed
I always agree!

I agree.

Tianniman(sp?) Square should be reason enough. If not, my moral beliefs and my philosophical beliefs about the nature of government guided me to this conclusion.

Tibet is not the rightful property of the Hans and they should be driven out. India is right next door, just given them one good reason to take those border disputes to the nest level.

DaGip · Post by **DaGip** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:56 am

Free Tibet?
Yes, they deserve it!
17% [ 4 ]
Yes, it's every human beings God given right to be free!
21% [ 5 ]
Yes, Tibet is a Sovereign nation and China stole it!
21% [ 5 ]
f*ck NO! China will kick our ass!
8% [ 2 ]
Hell NO! They are not that important to the rest of the world!
8% [ 2 ]
f*ck that shit! Free Norse!
21% [ 5 ]

Total Votes : 23

Wow! I can't believe so many people have said that Freeing Norse is more important than Freeing Tibet!

THORNHEART · Post by **THORNHEART** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:33 am

i hate china i hate those scum

nagerous · Post by **nagerous** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:38 am

THORNHEART wrote:i hate china i hate those scum

DaGip · Post by **DaGip** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:46 am

THORNHEART wrote:i hate china i hate those scum

You hate the government, not the people?

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:55 am

DaGip wrote:
Free Tibet?
Yes, they deserve it!
17% [ 4 ]
Yes, it's every human beings God given right to be free!
21% [ 5 ]
Yes, Tibet is a Sovereign nation and China stole it!
21% [ 5 ]
f*ck NO! China will kick our ass!
8% [ 2 ]
Hell NO! They are not that important to the rest of the world!
8% [ 2 ]
f*ck that shit! Free Norse!
21% [ 5 ]

Total Votes : 23
Wow! I can't believe so many people have said that Freeing Tibet is more important than Freeing Norse!

There you go.

Neoteny · Post by **Neoteny** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:18 pm

Technically it's 29-7 in the Tibet/Norse battle. Tibet just has split supporters.

jimboston · Post by **jimboston** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:03 pm

DaGip wrote:
LordPhantom wrote:The main reason I support Tibet is because I hate China.
Absolutely, positively the best answer I have fucking heard on this subject!

I couldn't agree more! China fucked with YouTube and the entire Internet the other day. I live in a free country and deserve to not have YouTube shut down or censored by China! I like freedom of information and ideas. China can go sit on a fucking egg! FREE TIBET!

Gip... it was India that fucked with YouTube... not China.

I voted no.

It's none of our business... aren't we mired deep enough in the Middle East to go start messing around with Asia. Aside from the fact that China is a nuclear power with a population of 1.2 Billion.

As an aside... I work with Chinese and Tiawanese people. Most chinese people consider Tibet to belong to China... i.e. in prior times Tibet was part of China... then it was seperate... then part again... then seperate. How far back do you go to decide if it was part of China or not???

Nobunaga · Post by **Nobunaga** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:52 pm

... Yeah, most of the ancient world was once part of China. Maybe they'll go for Eastern Europe next, as it once belonged to them.

... Sent a news link about the riots to a relative in China... he couldn't open it.

...

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:02 pm

jimboston wrote: As an aside... I work with Chinese and Tiawanese people. Most chinese people consider Tibet to belong to China... i.e. in prior times Tibet was part of China... then it was seperate... then part again... then seperate. How far back do you go to decide if it was part of China or not???

You know that time where most of the western world decided that invading countries and claiming them as your own was bad? That guy with that little moustache?

Yeah, China decided that conquering wasn't that bad at all.

jimboston · Post by **jimboston** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:17 pm

Nobunaga wrote:... Yeah, most of the ancient world was once part of China. Maybe they'll go for Eastern Europe next, as it once belonged to them.

... Sent a news link about the riots to a relative in China... he couldn't open it.

...

Um... Europe was never owned by China... the Mongols did invade and got into Western Europe. The Mongols however were NOT Chinese... they didn't consider themselves Chinese and the Chinese people would never consider them to be Chinese.

Tibet is quite different.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet

In 1751 China set-up the Dalai Lama to rule Tibet... essentially as a Territory or Govenor-type relationship. China had domain over Tibet from the mid 1700's until England in the early 1900's.

Tibet was then essentially "free" from China (but lorded-over by England) till Mao came to power in China and took it back.

You don't have to go back that far for some people to legitimately view Tibet as part of China. Read the article.

Parts of what are now considered Tibet have been "owned" by China as well as other countries.

Half this "free Tibet" crap is really just anti-Chinese sentiment. Is China very harsh and do they not respect human rights... yes... this is true. So I understand the sentiment. I just like to point out that there are 2 sides to every story.

When China "liberated" Tibet from uner England's thumb... many Tibetans were happy about it.

China ain't "freeing" Tibet... it's just NOT gonna happen. The victor writes the history books. 500 years from now no one will question wether or not Tibet is part of China.

jimboston · Post by **jimboston** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:25 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:
jimboston wrote: As an aside... I work with Chinese and Tiawanese people. Most chinese people consider Tibet to belong to China... i.e. in prior times Tibet was part of China... then it was seperate... then part again... then seperate. How far back do you go to decide if it was part of China or not???
You know that time where most of the western world decided that invading countries and claiming them as your own was bad? That guy with that little moustache?

Yeah, China decided that conquering wasn't that bad at all.

So like... I honestly don't really care much for China... but the point is that NO ONE HERE is looking at their side.

Comparing Mao to Hitler... ok... there is some similarities I am sure.

I think though China taking Tibet is not like how Hitlet invade Western Europe or Russia. It's more comparable to how Hitler took Romania (i.e where he was born). Romania had been part of "Germany"... and when Hitler took Romania... nobody squaked too loudly.

Had hitler stopped at Romania and never invade Poland.... there would have been no WWII.

Mao did stop at Tibet.

Snorri1234 · Post by **Snorri1234** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:29 pm

jimboston wrote: So like... I honestly don't really care much for China... but the point is that NO ONE HERE is looking at their side.

Comparing Mao to Hitler... ok... there is some similarities I am sure.

I wasn't comparing them so much as pointing out when most of the world decided conquering other countries wasn't a good thing.

I think though China taking Tibet is not like how Hitlet invade Western Europe or Russia. It's more comparable to how Hitler took Romania (i.e where he was born). Romania had been part of "Germany"... and when Hitler took Romania... nobody squaked too loudly.

Romania? Don't you mean Austria?

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