Spiking The Ball = Intentional Grounding?

[HapSmo19]

Tackling the tough issues.....

"Intentional Grounding of Forward Pass
Intentional grounding of a forward pass is a foul: loss of down and 10 yards from previous spot if passer is in the field of play or loss of down at the spot of the foul if it occurs more than 10 yards behind the line or safety if passer is in his own end zone when ball is released.
Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion.
Intentional grounding will not be called when a passer, while out of the pocket and facing an imminent loss of yardage, throws a pass that lands at or beyond the line of scrimmage, even if no offensive player(s) have a realistic chance to catch the ball (including if the ball lands out of bounds over the sideline or end line)."

It's always bothered me since the grounding rule came in. How can you have an intentional grounding rule and not call it against the spike?

It's stupid. I vote to change it.

[Frigidus]

I believe that it doesn't count because the ball lands within a reasonable distance of a receiver (maybe a RB or TE).

[spurgistan]

For one thing, yeah, it's usually at the feet of the RB. For another thing, the QB is generally not "facing an imminent loss of yardage"

[HapSmo19]

I believe that it doesn't count because the ball lands within a reasonable distance of a receiver (maybe a RB or TE).

Hmmm....

"Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion."

I'd say there's no realistic chance of it being caught.

[HapSmo19]

For one thing, yeah, it's usually at the feet of the RB.

The RB is behind the QB.

[oVo]

As a rule, spiking the ball and sacrificing a down to stop the clock is a part of the game like anything else. Similar to the College rule that doesn't allow a quarterback to "fake" taking a knee and pretend that a play is over. Don't like it? Change the rule.

Intentional grounding is when the passer is caught "in the pocket" and throws a pass to an open part of the field --with no receiver in the area-- to avoid a sack. New rules allow a passer who has escaped the pocket and gotten outside the offensive tackle position to legally throw the ball away, as long as the forward pass crosses the line of scrimmage.

Spiking the ball and intentional grounding are completely unrelated.

[strike wolf]

The Spiked ball is used as a quick way to stop the clock. you can't say there is an imminent loss of yards because there is no proof that they will lose yards. Second, even when it should intentional grounding does not get called that often. And when they say there's no realistic chance, I believe they actually go by how far it is from the nearest possible receiver.

[HapSmo19]

you can't say there is an imminent loss of yards because there is no proof that they will lose yards...

Then why do they spike the ball and opt to lose a down? Why don't they just run another play and save the down and the two seconds it takes to spike the ball if they're not in danger of losing yards?

[jonka]

I would like to see it become intentional grounding, teams would need more discipline to pull off a big play quickly.

[jonka]

I would like to see it become intentional grounding, teams would need more discipline to pull off a big play quickly, and I'd love anything to make football players have to practice harder.

Edit: Why did I quote myself

[Night Strike]

you can't say there is an imminent loss of yards because there is no proof that they will lose yards...

Then why do they spike the ball and opt to lose a down? Why don't they just run another play and save the down and the two seconds it takes to spike the ball if they're not in danger of losing yards?

Because it's much quicker to set your offense to just hike and spike, then to call out the next play as your running. It's only used late in each half, and even then only while you're using, so it's not that common of an occurrence.

[HapSmo19]

Because it's much quicker to set your offense to just hike and spike, then to call out the next play as your running. It's only used late in each half, and even then only while you're using, so it's not that common of an occurrence.

What are time-outs for again?

[strike wolf]

you can't say there is an imminent loss of yards because there is no proof that they will lose yards...

Then why do they spike the ball and opt to lose a down? Why don't they just run another play and save the down and the two seconds it takes to spike the ball if they're not in danger of losing yards?

because a play takes longer than spiking the ball. You spike the ball when you are running out of time have no time outs but don't have enouhg time to set up and run a play. So you spike the ball to buy time.

[whitestazn88]

its not intentional grounding because the pass doesn't cross the line of scrimmage

at least thats my take on it from reading the rules

[HapSmo19]

its not intentional grounding because the pass doesn't cross the line of scrimmage

at least thats my take on it from reading the rules

Intentional grounding will not be called when a passer, while out of the pocket and facing an imminent loss of yardage, throws a pass that lands at or beyond the line of scrimmage

[oVo]

Each team has 3 time outs per half. Once those are gone only an incomplete pass, running out of bounds or spiking the ball can stop the clock. There are injury time outs (called by the referee) but the affected players have to sit out for a play.

In college ball... the clock also stops with every first down made,
until the down markers are reset.

Spiking the ball is all about saving clock time at the end of each half.
It's not intentional grounding because it is a rule and part of the game.

Another recent rule change... when a player with the ball is driven backwards out of bounds,
he is given the forward progress on the field and the clock keeps running.

[Army of GOD]

Alls I remember is playing every Madden game, about to get sacked and pressing triangle sin hope to some sort of greater being that intentional grounding will not be called.


It always was.

[jay_a2j]

A "spike" does not go past the line of scrimmage. Intentional grounding is a forward pass (beyond the line of scrimmage) with no receiver in the area, while inside the pocket.

[thegreekdog]

Here's your answer my man:

"Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion."

In a situation where a QB is trying to stop the clock, he is not facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense.

[HapSmo19]

Here's your answer my man:

"Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion."

In a situation where a QB is trying to stop the clock, he is not facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense.

Yeah, there's just something about it that I dont like though. If I was commisioner, I'd give em two more time-outs and make spiking it intentional grounding(loss of down and a five(?) yard penalty).

[thegreekdog]

Not me. The ability to spike the ball provides some drama to the end of the game. Further, the ability to FAKE spiking the ball is also a good thing for football.

[oVo]

The fake spike (or faking taking a knee) only occurs in pro games.
Showing the intent to do either ends the play in college ball.

[spurgistan]

Here's your answer my man:

"Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion."

In a situation where a QB is trying to stop the clock, he is not facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense.

Yeah, there's just something about it that I dont like though. If I was commisioner, I'd give em two more time-outs and make spiking it intentional grounding(loss of down and a five(?) yard penalty).

But what's wrong with it? Good call on the RB thing, though.

[AgentSmith88]

For one thing, yeah, it's usually at the feet of the RB. For another thing, the QB is generally not "facing an imminent loss of yardage"

[HapSmo19]

But what's wrong with it?

Well, the QB can throw the ball away to stop the clock and give his team a chance to win the game but he can't throw it away to avoid the sack. It's just kinda stupid.

I need to check if they put an asterisk next to defensive player sack-stats since the intentional grounding rule came in. Because they should've.