The Discworld Map..

[greenoaks]

I tend to agree with you. It seems a bit harsh to throw away someone's hard work just because tastes have changed. I would rather see the site implement a "skins" system on maps so that different versions of graphics could be used by different players on the same map. This could allow old versions and new versions to coexist, as well as specialized ones (more colour-blind friendly, perhaps?) or extra sizes.

i would like a skins system for the entire site, like what PokerStars has.

[DaveH]

I think you need to capture more of the spirit of Terry Pratchett's writings and perhaps have a few "magical" links from Ahnk to other parts of the map - and perhaps the linkages across the seas and some other parts of the map carry a -1 or more "bonus"

Discworld II perhaps?

[Ace Rimmer]

Funny, Wisse (developer of Greater China) stopped in live chat just now to see if we thought he should revamp his map. I said yes, but he doesn't see an issue with his graphics.

I agree with griff that some of the newer maps are ugly but that's subjective. What I like to see revamped are ones that are flat or hard to follow because of the gfx choices made. Of the ones Griff posted, I would say the ones needing revamp are Actium (hard to follow), Greater China (BORING), Hong Kong (1996 era graphics), and Land and Sea (designed by a first year art student). Some of the others you may not like but at least they have graphics instead of flat looking colors thrown onto a map.

I'm fine with CMC being removed. The gfx are nice, gameplay sucks though.

[rdsrds2120]

I voted yes. From an administrative standpoint, holding work for the sake of work is backwards thinking. If we can assert ourselves to aim to provide our users with a more top-notch experience in every aspect of the site (yes, yes, things haven't been perfect, I know), then I believe that we certainly should! The perfect solution would be ender's skins idea, but that is something that would take quite a bit of time to setup and complete.

BMO

[ender516]

If you like the skins idea, keep in mind that the large/small map size feature has the basic elements of skins in it.

[Leehar]

revamp over new maps?

[Armandolas]

Lets revamp the site to not look 1996, then we can look at the maps.

This

About topic. I agree with somepeople. There are other "gaphically unplayable maps" that would need a revamp first
(the previous version with the giant turtle is beautifull)

[MrBenn]

If this map is to be revamped then it should be done in an appropriate cartoon/fantasy/surrealism style that befits the Discworld Series.

[thenobodies80]

Just to clarify: The site and the CAs are not pushing for this revamp in any particular way. We agreed that we have some maps that can be revamped as well.
We're not here to make a list or a sort of "rank" of the maps we can revamp. We are here because we think that the map could be revamped if there's desire from the community.
ManB has approached me with this idea and the first thing I've said him was: "sure, if the community wants it."
So, everyone here can make a list of maps to revamp or not, this because as others have said, it's a very subjective thing. But here we want to discuss only if we want to try to develope a revamp of THIS map.
Now, it seems to me that 78% could be considered a sort of "yes, go with it"...no?

ManB, apart what you said to me via PM, what's your thoughts? Do you want to collect more feedback before to go?

Nobodies

[greenoaks]

I voted yes. From an administrative standpoint, holding work for the sake of work is backwards thinking. If we can assert ourselves to aim to provide our users with a more top-notch experience in every aspect of the site (yes, yes, things haven't been perfect, I know), then I believe that we certainly should! The perfect solution would be ender's skins idea, but that is something that would take quite a bit of time to setup and complete.

BMO

would you be interested in a skins system for the entire site? there was a Dark Conquer Club addon that did that a few years ago.

[MrBenn]

Now, it seems to me that 78% could be considered a sort of "yes, go with it"...no?

Only if it was done right

[ManBungalow]

Okay, so...

Reading through this thread, there's a distinction I should have made when creating the poll:

*Develop the image I posted in the OP.
*Update the existing map, but not like the OP.
*Don't do it.

Nevertheless, the 79% support is reassuring.

My ideal course of action now is to demonstrate an update like that which was made to the Asia map.

This should assure the nostalgia, pay proper homage to the Jota image, and hopefully give the map a cleaner appearance. The word 'refreshing' would be my campaign buzzword if I had one.

I'll do my best to draw in a space turtle too.

I'll come back soon with a new image for some feedback.

Thanks all for contributing your opinions.

[Bruceswar]

Just to clarify: The site and the CAs are not pushing for this revamp in any particular way. We agreed that we have some maps that can be revamped as well.
We're not here to make a list or a sort of "rank" of the maps we can revamp. We are here because we think that the map could be revamped if there's desire from the community.
ManB has approached me with this idea and the first thing I've said him was: "sure, if the community wants it."
So, everyone here can make a list of maps to revamp or not, this because as others have said, it's a very subjective thing. But here we want to discuss only if we want to try to develope a revamp of THIS map.
Now, it seems to me that 78% could be considered a sort of "yes, go with it"...no?

ManB, apart what you said to me via PM, what's your thoughts? Do you want to collect more feedback before to go?

Nobodies

Graphics contest please!!

[Bruceswar]

Lets see where you go with this

[ManBungalow]

Some ideas...

Obviously not finished, but I re-interpreted the borders here:

Click image to enlarge.

Original map for comparison: http://maps.conquerclub.com/Discworld.L.jpg

I'd appreciate feedback on that image before I go any further (or not), because now is the best time to hear "borders too crisp" or "add more stuff at X"...

And for your enjoyment, here's my first attempt at drawing a turtle in the simplistic style of the rest of the map (it's not as easy as it looks, kids):

Spoiler

Click image to enlarge.

[Aleena]

Your suggestion with the witch - is cute....

But actually I sort of love the idea of making it look more real-life
In the original design I love:
the Sun, and solar glare
the shimmering waters
and the wavy ozone in the south...

Not sure if it is possible or likely, but I'd suggest to try to make it look like a real world seen from space instead of a cartoonish feel... But that's just my opinion.... And I'm a noob....

[Gilligan]

That turtle is my new best friend.

[ManBungalow]

That turtle is my new best friend.

You'll like his/her* slightly more detailed friend:

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*gender actually unknown


Even so, I'm not sure that's the way to go with adding a turtle to this map. It doesn't look like something I'd expect on a CC map. But I want to keep it as simple and clear as the rest of the image.

[Metsfanmax]

Found this thread through nobodies' signature. As someone who has played a whole three games on Discworld, I fully approve.

[macbone]

ManB, the first map you posted in this thread is beautiful. Man. I'd love to play on a luscious map like that.

I love the Discworld series and Sir Terry, but our map is a bit dated. A Discworld II would be fantastic, though. (There's actually a GURPS Discworld and a GURPS Discworld II, so there's precedence. (= ) If Pratchett agreed to the first one, perhaps he'd agree to a new one as well?

I like the turtle in your new one, man, but it may be too similar to the original map. Apparently one of the things that Jota was asked to take away was the turtle on his original.

Here's the map the CC map was based on:

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I dunno, though. Your turtle is significantly different from the original, so it might fly. Or swim, rather.

[Shannon Apple]

I agree with Macbone. The first map you posted is really well done. I would support that map just as it is. I do like the second as well though. Someone mentioned cartoony style of Discworld? I've also read some of these books. The Colour of Magic was even made into a film for Sky One... and I thought they captured it quite well. (nothing cartoony about it). Each person here will have a different idea of what the world looks like in their mind. I thought how ManB imagined it first time was beautiful and deviated enough from the original map to allow it to be used here. With a few minor lighting adjustments, that map would be perfect for gameplay.

[owenshooter]

pretty damn sexy...-el Jesus negro

ManB, the first map you posted in this thread is beautiful. Man. I'd love to play on a luscious map like that.

Click image to enlarge.

[Donelladan]

Honestly, can anyone really compare this:

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to this:



and not think that the first looks better? Not perfect, but compare them and look. Don't be complacent, demand that maps are as beautiful as Tisha (and her maps).

I prefer the 2nd. I like map that look really simple.

[psxws]

I think it definitely could use a revamp, simple or realistic. I think the turtle should stay, it's the most definitive element of discworld. I might be mistaken, but I think the reason the original turtle was removed was because it used the actual graphics of the reference map, perhaps with original graphics it'd be fine. This is an obvious reference to his work, but Pratchett himself states that the world in the back of a turtle is an old myth.

With no offense to ManBungalow (I think your work's looking pretty good so far), but if we do revamp, I'd like to see a competition thread to make sure we get the best result (also, it'd be cool to see the alternatives people come up with). Revamp should be graphics only.

edit: something like these would also be fantastic

[Armandolas]

If this map is to be revamped then it should be done in an appropriate cartoon/fantasy/surrealism style that befits the Discworld Series.