The Hobbit Mafia [Town win]

[Kamikaze Jawa]

If I were trying to pressure you

Which several other people already said they thought you were being overly aggressive. We can keep rehashing this over and over, but it's a moot point right now and I can't be bothered putting any more energy into it so feel free to continue if you like but I don't plan to validate it any further by responding to it.

At this point we've moved well away from putting pressure on dakky (or HS or MM), so do we want to look there again or find a new bandwagon?

MItch:
1. Is STILL trying to throw shade on me. What part of 'in Thorin's Company' does he not understand?

True. I mean I guess if we want to debate what 'in Thorin's Company' means, we could argue that perhaps one of Thorin's company is a potential traitor and therefore 3rd party, but at this time I don't see it as such.

[dakky21]

If I were trying to pressure you

Which several other people already said they thought you were being overly aggressive. We can keep rehashing this over and over, but it's a moot point right now and I can't be bothered putting any more energy into it so feel free to continue if you like but I don't plan to validate it any further by responding to it.

At this point we've moved well away from putting pressure on dakky (or HS or MM), so do we want to look there again or find a new bandwagon?

Is it only me noticing or why do you try to bandwagon onto people since the very beginning? Especially now, you're looking for a new bandwagon because there is not enough pressure on me? I get you're a new player, but going public with such thinking makes me only feel you're scum again. In mafia games, that's called a "slip" if you ask me.

Vote Thor

And not, this is not OMGUS vote, it's an obvious slip vote.

[Thorthoth]

If I were trying to pressure you

Which several other people already said they thought you were being overly aggressive. We can keep rehashing this over and over, but it's a moot point right now and I can't be bothered putting any more energy into it so feel free to continue if you like but I don't plan to validate it any further by responding to it.

At this point we've moved well away from putting pressure on dakky (or HS or MM), so do we want to look there again or find a new bandwagon?

Is it only me noticing or why do you try to bandwagon onto people since the very beginning? Especially now, you're looking for a new bandwagon because there is not enough pressure on me? I get you're a new player, but going public with such thinking makes me only feel you're scum again. In mafia games, that's called a "slip" if you ask me.

Vote Thor

And not, this is not OMGUS vote, it's an obvious slip vote.

WOW... just, WOW!
dakky is an experienced player, He knows what he's doing.
He is literally trying to get a confirmed townie lynched.

Is there enough irrational Thor-hatred to make this a go? I really hope not.
If dakky isn't scum. He is one of those jester/idiot things.
In any case, let's get him out of here, NOW!
Unvote. Vote dakky. Unvote. Vote dakky. Unvote. Vote dakky.

[Kamikaze Jawa]

Is it only me noticing or why do you try to bandwagon onto people since the very beginning? Especially now, you're looking for a new bandwagon because there is not enough pressure on me? I get you're a new player, but going public with such thinking makes me only feel you're scum again. In mafia games, that's called a "slip" if you ask me.

Vote Thor

And not, this is not OMGUS vote, it's an obvious slip vote.

First post was a no lynch vote, I've joined no other bandwagons since then until now and once again stated clearly I was doing so solely to pressure you for information. My last post was asking if we were going to go back to looking at previously suspicious people or if we were going to go in a new direction. But sure, I've 'only ever bandwagoned'.

And I'm going to agree with Thor here, there's no valid reason to vote for the only confirmed townie. In the very same post that you accuse me of doing nothing but bandwagoning, you vote for him. Why? According to your reasoning, even I am a better candidate for a lynch so this move makes zero sense.

[dakky21]

LoVo said this is his first modding of a game. That means it can include bastard roles. Perhaps one of the roles was exactly this - get confirmed as town while not being one (or really being, but with consequences). I don't see an other explanation. Going "for bandwagons" so direct sounds like he is really town and will bandwagon anyone, OR, he is happy he won't get lynched and can pursue anyone while being scum/3rd party. Yeah, the second one doesn't makes much sense, but just don't ignore the fact that might be his role. Something like Smeagol/Gollum. First an ordinary hobbit then a monster.

And that was his slip, I am aware it's a bit of a stretch, but don't ignore it completely.

[Kamikaze Jawa]

Oh, I'm not ignoring it completely. I did say that one could argue what specifically the phrase 'in Thorin's Company' means, that it could mean someone who is part of the party but potentially traitorous and therefore a third party. But at this point, to vote for him doesn't make sense. Particularly right after you basically made a case for me being scummy. At first I wondered if you'd written his name by mistake, but apparently not.

I still find this a very odd vote choice when there are other people we could be looking at.

[Pikanchion]

LoVo said this is his first modding of a game. That means it can include bastard roles. Perhaps one of the roles was exactly this - get confirmed as town while not being one (or really being, but with consequences). I don't see an other explanation. Going "for bandwagons" so direct sounds like he is really town and will bandwagon anyone, OR, he is happy he won't get lynched and can pursue anyone while being scum/3rd party. Yeah, the second one doesn't makes much sense, but just don't ignore the fact that might be his role. Something like Smeagol/Gollum. First an ordinary hobbit then a monster.

And that was his slip, I am aware it's a bit of a stretch, but don't ignore it completely.

I don't recall lord voldemort saying this, and if he did then he would have been lying. You've been completely caught out here...

[Thorthoth]

dakky: You're fabricating straws just so you can grasp at them. This is pathetic. my god, man, think of your meta-reputation.

LoVo is not going to create a game where the mod directly lies to the players... we all know that. And you already know there are perfectly ordinary roles and reasons for a townie to get a mod confirmation... and there was no slip either. You're being ridiculous.

You've already gone way too far, dakky. Nobody is going to have any good excuse to not vote for you. Even your scum-mates will have to join the band. They will look too suspicious if they don't... That is a little unfortunate actually, but there will be other ways of smoking them out.

[dakky21]

I don't recall lord voldemort saying this, and if he did then he would have been lying. You've been completely caught out here...

Guess I got mixed something up. Well, anyway, I'm not scum bro. I'll claim when I get to L-2, but I'd rather not get there.

dakky: You're fabricating straws just so you can grasp at them. This is pathetic. my god, man, think of your meta-reputation.

Says the person which never cared about his meta reputation in Mass Effect mafia. Stop your bullshit Thor, please.

[Samlen]

I will agree thor's not being particularly helpful or town-like but come on dakky. No self-respecting mod would blatantly lie unless obviously joking. I've NEVER in my years of mafia experience heard of a mod that would do something as shady as create an innocent child role that wasn't actually innocent, and noone here strikes me as someone who would do that. And can we not have a repeat of lion king mafia where a non-existent cult gets fabricated? There have been no hints pointing towards a cult or any person in the hobbit that screams cult (like the thorian from the ME game). So all things considered Thor is town and should be town the whole game, regardless of his actions.

Sidenote: This actually sorta boosts dakky's towniness in my eyes because I honestly can't see any scum of thirdparty sticking out their neck for such a crazy strategy as lynching a mod-proven town.

[FloresDelMal]

If dakky isn't scum. He is one of those jester/idiot things.
In any case, let's get him out of here, NOW!
Unvote. Vote dakky. Unvote. Vote dakky. Unvote. Vote dakky.

Ok, i take back when i said you were kinda cute, now you are just being a troll, it's not because mitch is improving his style that someone else needs to go out of his/her way to be obnoxious, and BTW you dont lynch jesters, that's why you werent lynched even though you continue to behave as a jester

LoVo said this is his first modding of a game. That means it can include bastard roles. Perhaps one of the roles was exactly this - get confirmed as town while not being one (or really being, but with consequences). I don't see an other explanation. Going "for bandwagons" so direct sounds like he is really town and will bandwagon anyone, OR, he is happy he won't get lynched and can pursue anyone while being scum/3rd party. Yeah, the second one doesn't makes much sense, but just don't ignore the fact that might be his role. Something like Smeagol/Gollum. First an ordinary hobbit then a monster.

And that was his slip, I am aware it's a bit of a stretch, but don't ignore it completely.

I don't recall lord voldemort saying this, and if he did then he would have been lying. You've been completely caught out here...

Nice catch! it weirdly pays to play the mod, but being so blatant in lying about it is worst than skimming Unvote Vote Dakky

Guess I got mixed something up. Well, anyway, I'm not scum bro. I'll claim when I get to L-2, but I'd rather not get there.

Fishy, really fishy, but as much as the 0 contribution of a good player like MM rubs me wrong, my vote stays on you, seriously throwing shade on the mod does your case no good

[Ragian]

Sort of skimmed the last two and a half pages on my phone post All Them Witches concert. A lot of fun stuff. I'll be looking into the dakky bit when I sober up. His vote on Lhor doesn't make too much sense, and Pika seems to have caught him out. Tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow.

I fear, however, that players not posting (guess who) are let off the hook too easily. Hopefully, one of them will stop lurking and actually post.

@Flores, come on, girl, I was never asking for a claim. Neither was I rolefishing. At best, I was taunting DDS. Everything is his fault, you know

[Minister Masket]

I prefer MM over dakky too.

@Skoffin, last game dakky was cult. Wouldn't you want him to change from that game? Or are you saying that your general dakky-feel (if that's a thing) is rubbing you the wrong way (this might be getting too graphic)?

On D1 my money was on MM, but i got swept by the herd mentality and the fear of split the votes and switched to hotshot but things turned out with no lynch anyway, this time ill do good on my word and i will go ahead and Vote MM because nothing has happened that clears him of my suspiscion yet, he still has to post anything of substance, he still fails to antagonize someone, this on the bench attitude is the same he had as scum on the lion king, i dont know about mass effect, true, hotshot might be guilty of the same thing, but i cant vote for 2 persons at once and ill go with my gut, still FOS hotshot

C'mon Flores, I was kind enough to point out your vote on me when it was seemingly not counted. If I was scum trying to save face, would I have really done that?
Antagonising someone is an interesting term, as plenty of great players do do that, but it isn't my preferred playstyle. I tend to work better working with the replies and then getting more of a clear read in my head from then on.
If I am winding someone up, it's because it was amusing me (see Thor earlier).

Regardless, the initial votes on me were because of my lore posting - which I ceased almost straight away, and my lack of discussion - which I'm now rectifying. Somehow I'm getting the feeling that isn't going to satisfy either you or Ragian though.

Just because 3 pages suddenly appeared with the dawn of Day 2 doesn't mean I'm 'being quiet' again. This was my first opportunity of reading the thread today!

The dakky vs Thor debate is very interesting. It might be Lovo's first game Dakky but even then, posting a town confirmation in the thread? That's not something you do by mistake. I'd be more inclined to treat it with suspicion if the source material was based on trickery and deception, but The Hobbit doesn't really involve any of that. The Ring comes close but that doesn't happen til LOTR. FOS dakky and this is VERY close to a vote, but I want to see your reply to this first.

[Thorthoth]

Sort of skimmed the last two and a half pages on my phone post All Them Witches concert. A lot of fun stuff. I'll be looking into the dakky bit when I sober up. His vote on Lhor doesn't make too much sense, and Pika seems to have caught him out. Tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow.

Actually I caught him out. Pika followed my lead on it... and that's Thor with a T.

Ok, i take back when i said you were kinda cute, now you are just being a troll, it's not because mitch is improving his style that someone else needs to go out of his/her way to be obnoxious, and BTW you dont lynch jesters, that's why you werent lynched even though you continue to behave as a jester

If you're looking for an obnoxious troll, Flora, take a look in the mirror. Besides being rude, you're also stupid:
1. I wasn't lynched because it was PROVEN that I AM TOWN... and everyone who thought or voted otherwise was either scummy or foolish, mostly the latter.
2. Lynching a jester is fine. When that jester got lynched in the LIon King game it didn't end the game. It was a personal win for the jester but not a loss for any other team.

and yea, I guess I am fed up with the oldie snob BS.
KJ is being nice about it and IcePack just quit, but I'll just hold up an electric fan and let it all splatter back in your faces.

[Pikanchion]

Sort of skimmed the last two and a half pages on my phone post All Them Witches concert. A lot of fun stuff. I'll be looking into the dakky bit when I sober up. His vote on Lhor doesn't make too much sense, and Pika seems to have caught him out. Tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow.

Actually I caught him out. Pika followed my lead on it.

Yeah, funny how both my posts on dakky21 were 1-2 hours before each of your responses to the same posts though. Who is following whom here?

[dakky21]

The dakky vs Thor debate is very interesting. It might be Lovo's first game Dakky but even then, posting a town confirmation in the thread? That's not something you do by mistake. I'd be more inclined to treat it with suspicion if the source material was based on trickery and deception, but The Hobbit doesn't really involve any of that. The Ring comes close but that doesn't happen til LOTR. FOS dakky and this is VERY close to a vote, but I want to see your reply to this first.

So now you skimmed through posts and didn't see I was wrong about Lovo first game? Well, that's my reply to your post.

I'll claim at L-2 but I don't think that will gain us anything.

[ZaBeast]

Wow what a lucky night for us especially Thort, Dakky asking about actions does sound scummy but I think he might be on to something. Do we start all over with new suspects or should we be like Rags and stick to our D1 favorites and push them harder? I was suspicious of Thort until he was proven town and then Ifollowed Skoffin lead on Hot Shot but basically the vote was split and time ran out so there was not much pressure put on the suspects we had,right now I am thinking either MM or HS ,they seemed to be the popular ones at the moment

@ BuJaber, you are right I am very cautious in this game, I am trying to change my play style and it is hard to break bad habits, I am still wary of THORTH maybe he is 3rd party ? just something off there, FOS against Dakky and Rags for asking about who did what? but why was Dakky voted for and not Rags ? they are both guilty, I can relate to what Flores (that little ray of sunshine...Not ) said because I take a while to read and post,I am a little older than most or all of you,I remember having a phone on the wall with a crank ,our number was 1 long crank and 3 short ones,no shit guys ,anyway I am torn between H.S. and MM from D1 ,not quite sure who to vote for yet and I will wait for a while

How can you be say you were suspicious of Thor (notice the past tense), but then go on another post a few hours later saying you still are, especially when the only thing he did in between was FOS you. Kinda looks like an OMGUS to me. Also thor has been confirmed town, I don't see why you would think he's third party. Unless your role pm doesn't talk about Thorin's company, that is or you have good reasons to think he's in a cult now. (1st post 2nd post)

Since people have expressed that they find me suspicious I will never get enough support for MudPuppy this early in the gameday so until something new happens there I'll unvote.

So for me it's a choice between HS and mitch. If we start early this gameday maybe we can force a few claims so since HS is probably the easier bandwagon to build... Vote Hotshot.

So I'm voting for you and suddently no one will follow you on your cases? You said it, we're early in the day, so there's still time. DDS is voting for me and I'm still trying to scum hunt. I also find weird the fact you vote for HotShot because you could potentially get a claim from him faster than Mitch.

As I wrote in an earlier post, I'm trying to be more active and constructive. I'm expecting Pika or ZaBeast to try and have me lynched in a day or two so I'm in a kind of 'f*ck it, I'll just do what I want and let the chips fall where they may' mood.

Why would I vote for you? You're doing exactly what I said you should be doing more.

About dakky: there's only so much we can explain by going the "but it doesn't makes sense for a scum to do this" way. First the agressive and nonsensical pushing of thor and DDS (which people say was his playstyle, so I can buy this one, even if it looked weird), then the claim fishing, and now the voting of a confirmed townie because he may after all not be one (that's what he said, not what I think). I kinda agree with Sam on the last one that it could make more sense as a townie scum hunting (though I think he should be wary of many other players before considering thor). Making a mandy out of himself, if you will.

For now, I'll unvote vote dakky and FOS mitch.
btw, if my count is right, dakky is at 5 votes (Pika, Thor, Flores, KJ, me). He's still far from a lynch (L-4), but remember to count where he's at before voting.

[dakky21]

Just FYI all of you, Thor is forum banned for next 3 days so he can't post. For violating forum rules from what I've read.

I think we may need another replacement or do we blindly believe he is town? Did he get banned himself in order to justify his role here? Maybe I was right after all. Too much coincidence.

[Skoffin]

Flores, you give actual reasons for suspecting other players of being scum yet you still default back to MM due to 'he was quiet D1' which people only went with because they had nothing else to go on.
How is that case better then the others? How is that more worthwhile than dakky or hotshot? Are you just diverting attention away from them while still looking like you suspect them? I still find it quite weird the manner in which people have avoided targeting hotshot; both masket and hotshot were initially suspected for similar reasons and yet masket is some 'solid case' while hotshot is not, people were all desperate to vote to ensure a lynch on masket but suddenly no one is keen on voting when hotshot is prime target (Buj even changed his vote entirely to someone with no votes less than a day before deadline), hotshot AND dakky has been found suspicious by a few but been excused with "that is how they roll" yet that is not applicable to anyone else. I get the distinct impression that scum are diverting lynches from certain people while trying to push towards some of the more skilled players here.

skoff you are so shady, first you said i was unlikely to appear before the deadline, when it was you who told Ga7 to inform me of my prod, and then this when i actually went with your BW? tsk tsk, gurl, you are shadier than a palm tree:


care to explain why are you so reactive to any questioning thrown at MM, is he your godfather? with that being said i am off to walk my dogs, and do my dishes because there is no one else to do it

How is that shady? I said you were unlikely to appear because I knew you were away visiting family with Ga7, and ga7 hadn't even appeared in our FB chat group during the week so I naturally assumed if he was not around that you would not be. The only reason I messaged him was because I saw him say something in the group all of a sudden so I took the opportunity to check on you. I think my actions there were pretty reasonable.
Well, clearly the "no one" part was a bit of hyperbole, however it is still the case that people were dropping away from that BW so close to a deadline and forcing us into a no lynch scenario.


Of course he is my godfather, it can't be because I thought the case was dumb and suspicious. I didn't harp on you being 'inactive' because I knew why you were away, I didn't harp on Masket for being inactive because I knew why and so on. There are other people just as inactive, whom I do not know why they are inactive, who seem to be given a pass. I just wonder why one person is so scummy for an action that other people are getting passes for. And in this case at least I know Masket will contribute; Masket always starts games slow but he makes up for it in the end, whereas someone like hotshot generally has low contribution throughout the entire game. If we had to 'randonly' pick someone based on very little reasoning, I'd rather take out the people that are less useful then take out people I know will become useful. I found Masket scummy early on in the game but the way people are acting as if he is some super-solid case when it was all circumstantial rubs me the wrong way, and the way the same reasoning is being avoided on other players is dubious at best.

Just FYI all of you, Thor is forum banned for next 3 days so he can't post. For violating forum rules from what I've read.

I think we may need another replacement or do we blindly believe he is town? Did he get banned himself in order to justify his role here? Maybe I was right after all. Too much coincidence.

It's 3 days, we can wait. It's not blind belief - he is almost certainly town. I'm sure his ban is purely related to his personality and not based on some scheme he concocted to trick us in this game. I honestly do not understand your bizarre and conspiracy theorists thoughts going on here at the moment.

[Pikanchion]

I think we may need another replacement or do we blindly believe he is town? Did he get banned himself in order to justify his role here? Maybe I was right after all. Too much coincidence.

Are you actually being serious here..? Perhaps it could be argued that from certain perspectives a day one lynch is "blind", but to say acting on explicit mod-provided information is? -You said that you believed this could be the case originally because lord voldemort had never run a game before, and yet you continue after I provided a link to several games which prove otherwise...

In any case I'm reasonably confident this wasn't actually an attempt to get banned.

[HotShot53]

Wow, I wasn't expecting day to have even started yet, and there is already like 3-4 pages of posts... I did a quick skim through the recent posts, and dakky seems to be posting scummier and scummier, between his opening up the day role fishing, and now trying to make a case and voting for the only confirmed townie there is... the best argument against dakky being scum is that scum wouldn't put themselves out so much. For now I'll FOS Dakky, and later when I can read the pages in depth will consider if he deserves my vote or not.

[dakky21]

Anyway, if I get close to a lynch, beware of Mitch's hammer, so please don't lynch me before I claim if we get to that point.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Unvote until i see a vote count.

[lord voldemort]

Vote Count 2.1


Dakky21 (5): Pikanchion, Thorthoth, FloresDelMal, ZaBeast, Kamikaze Jawa
Minister Masket (1): Ragian,
Hotshot53(1): BuJaber
Thorthoth (1): dakky21
Not Voting (8): Samlen, madmitch, MudPuppy, Hotshot53, skoffin, Minister Masket, DirtyDishSoap

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

There is currently no deadline. Deadlines will be posted with a link to world clock. And announced with at least 72 hours notice

I am still hunting for 1 replacement.

We will continue without Thorthoth whilst he is on vacation.

@ Flores sorry I missed your votes on day 1. It was the colour of green. I do make mistakes and I am human.

Also....I am extremely close to having had enough of the low key bullying that is taking place. I have already had one person quit due to it...I do not want another. Banter is fine...name calling is not. Keep it clean.

[Kamikaze Jawa]

If dakky isn't scum. He is one of those jester/idiot things.
In any case, let's get him out of here, NOW!
Unvote. Vote dakky. Unvote. Vote dakky. Unvote. Vote dakky.

Ok, i take back when i said you were kinda cute, now you are just being a troll, it's not because mitch is improving his style that someone else needs to go out of his/her way to be obnoxious, and BTW you dont lynch jesters, that's why you werent lynched even though you continue to behave as a jester

Actually he wasn't lynched because he was confirmed townie. He had 4 or 5 votes at the time, all of which dropped off as soon as the mod confirmed he was in Thorin's Company. Had nothing whatsoever to do with being a jester or not. Which is why we're all now focusing on dakky, for trying to get the only confirmed townie lynched, which wouldn't be the case if Thor wasn't lynched due to being a jester.