The Hobbit Mafia [Town win]

[FloresDelMal]

got fast posted by hotshot, glad to see you among us and actually voting where it matters, that gives you a little bit more of credibility than MM ATM heh

[madmitch]

Well I am screwed either way, get on the BW for Dakky or I will get voted out, Skoffin wants me to hammer him so I die for sure ,but I am not ready to leave this game yet,Dakky will pick me for sure if I get on the BW ,I like my town role and would like to live for another day, If there is another wagon that you guys want me to join I will join it

[ZaBeast]

Well I am screwed either way, get on the BW for Dakky or I will get voted out, Skoffin wants me to hammer him so I die for sure ,but I am not ready to leave this game yet,Dakky will pick me for sure if I get on the BW ,I like my town role and would like to live for another day, If there is another wagon that you guys want me to join I will join it

bandwagonning for the sake of bandwagonning is uber-scummy. Also, you still didn't explain the post you made at the beginning of the day (this one). Why did you say thor was lucky to be alive after N1 and why did you pushed for a role claim also?

[Ragian]

It's easy to see Mitch's post as bandwagon for the sake of bandwagoning, but you then fail to see the fine print (as I read it anyway), which is "I'll do what the majority (town by far at this stage) wants me to do." I'm not voting Mitch today, no matter how much Skoffin weeps

@Mitch, do you believe that dakky is the town role he claims to be?

[DirtyDishSoap]

Same with MM and DDS picking their own pointless candidates. I'm not saying they're wrong, but right now on Day 2, they need to pick a major party candidate (dakky or mitch) or give an elaborate explanation with evidence for why they will not. ...and please don't waste our time with an elaborate explanation that lacks evidence.

Don't throw me under that blanket, I've provided plenty as to why I'm not too keen on lynching Dakky, unless you chose to skim that entire section. (This was during your vacation).

As for this Mitch thing, I've said it not even a page ago. The mitch is mitch argument. I get it, and I'm not trying to use this as an excuse, but there's hardly an indicator that he's scum other than that one post. Again, why do I feel like everyone is just picking on the easy band wagons just for the sake of it, rather than pursuing people that actually are playing with strong town vibes when in fact they could be scum? There's more indicators than just picking on Dakky or Mitch for their consistent scum posts in past games.

[BuJaber]

Because regardless of what people say and what has happened in past games both mitch and dakky are very capable at fooling players into a false sense of security. Dakky in particular can be very convincing. If we allow a scummy dakky to live while going after someone else because they might be giving fake strong town vibes we are putting ourselves at a disadvantage in more ways than one. The other thing for people who are hiding their scumminess well; bandwagons of any kind tend to be perfect opportunities for slip-ups. We can judge the reactions on a later day phase.

We have mutual suspects DDS and even if I were to move off dakky and try to build a case with you we both know that right now our case would't be significantly stronger than the current cases. The mod is already considering a deadline. We would in all likelihood end up splitting the votes resulting in another no lynch.

For the hesitant/cautious lot.. if y'all want to wait for IP's replacement we will wait. But if a deadline is announced I expect a lynch. We have enough good suspects that we can manage this. Any delays then would look very scummy.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Well with that argument, we should lynch Dakky and Mitch every game, Day 1 and Day 2 just to eliminate them for being them.

And I would like to at least get either a replacement for Ice or mod kill him if it's prohibiting progress. It's hard to distinguish if he's friend or foe at this point when Day 2 is drawing to a close (so to speak).

[MudPuppy]

For the hesitant/cautious lot.. if y'all want to wait for IP's replacement we will wait. But if a deadline is announced I expect a lynch. We have enough good suspects that we can manage this. Any delays then would look very scummy.

I, as a member of the hesitant/cautious lot, am on board with this approach. I prefer to wait for a replacement to join but also don't want to see another no-lynch day.

[BuJaber]

Well with that argument, we should lynch Dakky and Mitch every game, Day 1 and Day 2 just to eliminate them for being them.

And I would like to at least get either a replacement for Ice or mod kill him if it's prohibiting progress. It's hard to distinguish if he's friend or foe at this point when Day 2 is drawing to a close (so to speak).

Let me remind you that dakky came out of nowhere and stole the spotlight in D2. And then mitch and he starting slinging mud at each other.

But even if you're right, and we are getting blinded by the fact it's dakky and mitch. If we now lynch someone else, are we not not lynching them because they're being them?

So either they're excused for being themselves, or they're lynched for being themselves.

You know what happens when someone is always targeted? They keep having to adapt, until one day they are so good at acting like their former self from an earlier game that they can pretty much portray whichever alignment they want.

I don't even understand my own arguments anymore it's gotten so twisted in my head. And because of that I'm not sure if I should stick with lynching dakky because I think he's scum, or I should postpone his lynch to lynch someone else.

DDS how do you feel about changing your vote to MudPuppy. I see some similarities between MP and ZB but overall MP is coming off scummier so I'm not sure why you'd pick ZB over MP. I mean just check this last post out:

For the hesitant/cautious lot.. if y'all want to wait for IP's replacement we will wait. But if a deadline is announced I expect a lynch. We have enough good suspects that we can manage this. Any delays then would look very scummy.

I, as a member of the hesitant/cautious lot, am on board with this approach. I prefer to wait for a replacement to join but also don't want to see another no-lynch day.

I like when people agree with me obviously, but my comment didn't need a response, and if you did want to show that you're on board, it definitely didn't warrant an entire post by itself.

[madmitch]

Let me try to explain my post about Thort so EVERYONE can understand,,, I MEANT I was surprise no-one killed him because he was such a big pain in the ass, just like I was surprised no-one killed MM and Pika for the wasted LOTR POSTS. I understand the mafia probably thought he is not worth while to kill now ,and us guys really don't want to lose any of our players even if they are a big pain in the ass.It was nice when he couldn't post As for Dakky I am not sure what side he is on ? I have no problem if you guys want to hang him ,but I will not get on that wagon because for sure he will take me with him, any other time sure



















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[Ragian]

Mitch, do you understand how non-town it sounds when you say that you won't do this and this based on self-preservation? This is a team effort. If you're town, you're willing to take the blows in order to get a collected town win.

[madmitch]

@ Rags, you are right,but I am actually scared, at least when someone votes for me I have a chanch to survive, here I don't think I will, OKAY I WILL as long it ir not the hammer, CAN I HAVE A VOTE COUNT PLEASE

[Thorthoth]

@ Rags, you are right,but I am actually scared

This is absurd... Will you hammer dakky for a scooby-snack?

Vote count? That's easy, so far nobody's changed their vote since the last count. Check out 2.3.

Yes, I am aware that Mitch sounds like Brer Rabbit begging to not to be thrown in the briar patch... but really, so what? Are we going to start imagining Mitch is a bomb?

Is Mitch trying to protect dakky? This makes sense, Mitch has been acting up since dakky has been feeling the heat.

I still think sticking with the dakky lynch is best, but mitch is also a likely candidate like I said before.

Nobody else is a day 2 lynch contender, and at this point voting for somebody besides dakky or mitch or voting for nobody is... lame, maybe scummy too, but definitely lame.

Here, I'll repost the vote, for everyone's convenience:
Vote Count 2.3
Dakky21 (5): Pikanchion, Thorthoth, FloresDelMal, Kamikaze Jawa, BuJaber
Madmitch (3): dakky21, ZaBeast, skoffin
Hotshot53 (1): Minister Masket
ZaBeast (1): DirtyDishSoap

Not Voting (6): Samlen, MudPuppy, Hotshot53, Ragian, madmitch, replacement player

[HotShot53]

@ Rags, you are right,but I am actually scared

This is absurd... Will you hammer dakky for a scooby-snack?

Vote count? That's easy, so far nobody's changed their vote since the last count. Check out 2.3.

Yes, I am aware that Mitch sounds like Brer Rabbit begging to not to be thrown in the briar patch... but really, so what? Are we going to start imagining Mitch is a bomb?

Is Mitch trying to protect dakky? This makes sense, Mitch has been acting up since dakky has been feeling the heat.

I still think sticking with the dakky lynch is best, but mitch is also a likely candidate like I said before.

Nobody else is a day 2 lynch contender, and at this point voting for somebody besides dakky or mitch or voting for nobody is... lame, maybe scummy too, but definitely lame.

Here, I'll repost the vote, for everyone's convenience:
Vote Count 2.3
Dakky21 (5): Pikanchion, Thorthoth, FloresDelMal, Kamikaze Jawa, BuJaber
Madmitch (3): dakky21, ZaBeast, skoffin
Hotshot53 (1): Minister Masket
ZaBeast (1): DirtyDishSoap

Not Voting (6): Samlen, MudPuppy, Hotshot53, Ragian, madmitch, replacement player

You missed my vote, my vote is on Dakky also

[Thorthoth]

Sorry, let me correct that.

Vote Count 2.3.2
Dakky21 (6): Pikanchion, Thorthoth, FloresDelMal, Kamikaze Jawa, BuJaber, Hotshot53,
Madmitch (3): dakky21, ZaBeast, skoffin
Hotshot53 (1): Minister Masket
ZaBeast (1): DirtyDishSoap

Not Voting (5): Samlen, MudPuppy, Ragian, madmitch, replacement player

[madmitch]

VOTE DAKKY

[dakky21]

I can only say one of you on my lynch will regret your decision, while I can take anyone down. I want to live and some of those who want me dead are anti-town for sure, as I don't believe the whole scum team is on other players, but while it's possible, I don't think no one from the scum is on me.

My first choice is BuJaber, second Thor, third Mitch and fourth Flores. MM, DDS also possible, and those not currently voting me. Third group includes Samlen, Puppy and Ragian, so I'll set up three random.org pools and come up with three names and then random them who to kill, so we must be very unlucky if I shoot the cop or some other important power role.

I wonder why no one suggested yet who should I kill, 7 people on my lynch but no one said who to shoot.

[MudPuppy]

My first choice is BuJaber, second Thor, third Mitch and fourth Flores. MM, DDS also possible, and those not currently voting me. Third group includes Samlen, Puppy and Ragian, so I'll set up three random.org pools and come up with three names and then random them who to kill, so we must be very unlucky if I shoot the cop or some other important power role.

I wonder why no one suggested yet who should I kill, 7 people on my lynch but no one said who to shoot.

I suggest you don't shoot Thor. Pretty fine with whoever you think best after that. Not sure I understand who your groups are or why you group them in that fashion... but whatever floats your boat. If you think random is best, then go for it. Whatever you choose, we'd get some good information.

If you do get lynched, you really can't blame anyone but yourself.... You aren't playing like you want to live.

[dakky21]

If you do get lynched, you really can't blame anyone but yourself.... You aren't playing like you want to live.

I am aware of that. I made "mistakes" and went for Thor lynch but I still think there is something deeper in the whole setup so I can't blame myself if he is really an "innocent child" .. I really believe Thor is something deeper, mod-confirmed town but probably 3rd party or scum. So I hope you can understand me. I've never played with anyone who's vengeful here on CC and I have a lot of games in my ass here, so I assume if something "new" is added, it's possible that Thor is one shot scum option to be confirmed as scum. I know we stopped discussing the game, but I still believe it could be a bastard setup.

If I'm wrong, we will see if I get lynched, but one of you are going with me and I will HAVE to pick one of you. Just no one said or even hinted who you want to get killed with me.

[Ragian]

Well, if you haven't realised, my money is on MM.

[Thorthoth]

If you do get lynched, you really can't blame anyone but yourself.... You aren't playing like you want to live.

I am aware of that. I made "mistakes" and went for Thor lynch but I still think there is something deeper in the whole setup so I can't blame myself if he is really an "innocent child" .. I really believe Thor is something deeper, mod-confirmed town but probably 3rd party or scum. So I hope you can understand me. I've never played with anyone who's vengeful here on CC and I have a lot of games in my ass here, so I assume if something "new" is added, it's possible that Thor is one shot scum option to be confirmed as scum. I know we stopped discussing the game, but I still believe it could be a bastard setup.

If I'm wrong, we will see if I get lynched, but one of you are going with me and I will HAVE to pick one of you. Just no one said or even hinted who you want to get killed with me.

That's not true, I suggested very clearly, that if you're really town you should venge-kill mitch.
But instead you keep going on about your delusion that I'm not town and lo vo is just lying to everybody...
The worst thing of all is that you keep emphasizing that 'you want to live'...
That's not the team goal, if you're town you should be prioritizing a town win ,not your continued (and very problematic) existence in the game.

[Skoffin]

Mitch basically claimed to be a power role; but whether that is town sided or scum sided we don't know. Based on my last game modded by LoVo I'd wager that the entire scum team have extra abilities so it's possible mitch was alluding to that. It doesn't help that his reaction and he seems almost positive that dakky is a 'bomb' and doesn't want to be the hammer. Since he has already claimed non-vanilla I think it's wise to pressure a claim from him.

As for dakky, it's still ridiculous that he's assuming this is a bastard game and wants to lynch Thor, I still think it's best NOT to lynch him today.
Now going by the worst case scenario, in which dakky is town;

We have very little evidence to go on today hence why we have so few cases to go by and so little input from everyone. We have no deaths which means we can't yet confirm alignments of anyone; even the alignment of someone dead would help us. So if Dakky is town he will basically shoot blindly into the town which puts us at significant risk that he shoots a town PR, which means we lose any cop reports or a doc's info on who they saved.
So I suggest we lynch him TOMORROW. That way we have today's lynch and tonight's NK to form stronger leads, we can remove the liability that is dakky and if town he is far less likely to take out a town member. Tomorrow we can remove two strong scummy suspects, today we'd remove someone a bit scummy and someone that there aren't much in the way of opinions about.
And if we do keep him around we know he won't get killed tonight so doc doesn't need to be on him and no cop needs to investigate him to see if he's scum as he'll get lynched anyway; and they shouldn't regardless as they'd have to reveal themselves to stop the lynch if he turns up town.

Meanwhile those on the dakky train still all need to state their top suspects and why in the event dakky is lynched ntoday and he is town; otherwise if he shoots a townie I'll hold all those sitting in silence responsible.

[BuJaber]

This is bullshit we've been discussing for pages whom dakky should shoot.

But we can't have it both ways; either lynch dakky with me if you think he's scum. And if you think he's town then go with skoffin's idea. I suggest MudPuppy.

Dakky just threw suspicion at both the mod and Thor to defend himself. I want to believe him, I do. But come on I am now even more confident he has been lying the whole time.

[Pikanchion]

I want madmitch to hammer dakky21, and I want dakky21 to use their kill on madmitch. madmitch is now acting as if dakky21 is a scum bomb and that they know this to be the case. DirtyDishSoap would probably be my second choice because apparently we should not lynch those who are scummy (because they might be town) and lynch those who seem to be town (because they might be scum)...

Same with MM and DDS picking their own pointless candidates. I'm not saying they're wrong, but right now on Day 2, they need to pick a major party candidate (dakky or mitch) or give an elaborate explanation with evidence for why they will not. ...and please don't waste our time with an elaborate explanation that lacks evidence.

Don't throw me under that blanket, I've provided plenty as to why I'm not too keen on lynching Dakky, unless you chose to skim that entire section. (This was during your vacation).

As for this Mitch thing, I've said it not even a page ago. The mitch is mitch argument. I get it, and I'm not trying to use this as an excuse, but there's hardly an indicator that he's scum other than that one post. Again, why do I feel like everyone is just picking on the easy band wagons just for the sake of it, rather than pursuing people that actually are playing with strong town vibes when in fact they could be scum? There's more indicators than just picking on Dakky or Mitch for their consistent scum posts in past games.

It seems to me that either DirtyDishSoap has taken meta reliance to absurd levels or they're covering for a scum buddy here.

My third pick I'm unsure of, Ragian feels as though they've been trying to prevent a dakky21 lynch without any real reason for doing so or proposing a decent alternative, Minister Masket and HotShot53 are still fairly low activity, while MudPuppy has been giving off mildly scummy vibes to me for a little while now.

I'd still rather hold off on a lynch until we either have a deadline or have both a replacement and at least one reasonably in-depth post by said replacement though.

[Ragian]

I always feel slightly skizo whenever Pika uses pronouns. And yes, I think dakky is town. I don't have any evidence except for my gut feeling. What evidence do you lot have? If you guys lynch him and he flips scum, go nuts on me by all means. I'm not going to vote for someone whom I think is town-sided.

Also, brilliant of you to say that I haven't proposed a decent alternative after which you state that MM isn't participating enough