INTO THE DEEP (COMPLETE - Mafia Win !!)

[Sirius Kase]

I just don't know what to say about myself anymore, I think I said everything. Sue me if I left something.

I don't think you need to say anything. I'm not trying to lead a mob against you. I might be unusually dense. I'm waiting for other opinions.

I'm really starting to think scum are experienced players who know how to handle this situation and I'll say again : Mets, ZaBeast, Skoffin (she didn't post for some time), BuJaber, Pika perhaps... I'm saying this because what we know from Pershy and jfm lynches? Nothing. And anyone of these experienced players didn't ask any question about it and the game is stalling like no one cares what really happens.

I'm being more careful about who I allow to influence me. Most of the people you mentioned post well written posts when they do post. But, what good is a helpful post when it's really about tricking us into destroying the town?

fp dakky, yeah, sorta, but I'm trying mostly not to be manipulated.

[chapcrap]

Sirius, just because he is exasperated, doesn't mean you let him off the hook for whatever role he is trying to claim.

Can't you see whats going on here... Serius going with ZaBeast, Skoffin defending me, I tell you we have factions or two towns....

Factions... almost like town and mafia? And no. I don't really see what you mean anyway. Scum try to play like town. Town try to play like town. Scum is not just going to always stick with scum in discussions because that gives away their team when one of them flips. It's a bad scum play for them all to be saying the same things.

I feel like there are only a few of us being active over the past few days. I'm going to wait to see what others think about the current topics.

[Razorvich]

Next vote count will include a deadline for Day 3

[ZaBeast]

Can't you see whats going on here... Serius going with ZaBeast, Skoffin defending me, I tell you we have factions or two towns....

town v town would be stupid as no one would know who they're siding with. And that also makes your argument invalid as there's no way to have a town faction knowingly side together against another one

Now that there's going to be a deadline, can we get to know who you targetted mets (and blacky)?

[ZaBeast]

ik you said you would say it 2 days before the deadline but the day doesn't seem to go anywhere much and waiting to let this out so we get a speed lynch is not the most pro-town move. The passive poisoner would have chimed in if he felt like it.
I must say though since the alleged passive poisoner hasn't claimed yet, do you think it could be a hidden ability? I just don't see why someone would withhold that information since it would just expose them to being a lynch target as it's an anti-town move, with not much to gain. Unless that someone has already claimed something different.

[TX AG 90]

ik you said you would say it 2 days before the deadline but the day doesn't seem to go anywhere much and waiting to let this out so we get a speed lynch is not the most pro-town move. The passive poisoner would have chimed in if he felt like it.
I must say though since the alleged passive poisoner hasn't claimed yet, do you think it could be a hidden ability? I just don't see why someone would withhold that information since it would just expose them to being a lynch target as it's an anti-town move, with not much to gain. Unless that someone has already claimed something different.

I agree, the passive poisoner is at least 3rd party. Wouldn't having 2 town poisoners (jfm and passive), be overkill?

I'm also pretty sure there is a scum poison healer. How else would they be able to counter a poisoning from jfm?

[ZaBeast]

It's possible but a scum doctor isn't a common role. That's why vigilante can be pretty powerful if used properly. Remember scum could also be X-shot bulletproof, which would alleviate the need for a scum doctor

I agree, the passive poisoner is at least 3rd party. Wouldn't having 2 town poisoners (jfm and passive), be overkill?

My point is that regardless of alignment it seems stupid not to claim passive poisoner if that's your role, as it's a pretty pointless point to put your life on the line for

[Ragian]

That there is a passive poisoner. No passive poisoning N1. Only thing that points to it is Mets claiming poisoning. He didn't claim in his first posts of the day and it just doesn't make sense logically. You said it made sense because of the wording of the mod's PM to Mets... that's a big eyeroll for me.

Why was there no passive poisoning D1? How do you know that?

At least I am talking. Some aren't...

While this is true of you and not of way too many others (myself included recently), I gotta side with Mets here. I didn't understand "ambush" to be someone visiting you and then you hit them instead, I understood it to be you lying in wait. So if you had not volunteered the "people have to visit me for me to investigate them" information, you would not have been useless as town. You can't blame that on jmf. As far as I have understood you.

Also, you can't get off the hook by stating that you're talking as if that's end goal.

It bugs me that Aage just flew in and voted without anything else to say...

I agree, the passive poisoner is at least 3rd party. Wouldn't having 2 town poisoners (jfm and passive), be overkill?

I'm also pretty sure there is a scum poison healer. How else would they be able to counter a poisoning from jfm?

Someone needs to point to the irrefutable evidence of jmf being a poisoner. He was just a vig for all I can understand.

My point is that regardless of alignment it seems stupid not to claim passive poisoner if that's your role, as it's a pretty pointless point to put your life on the line for

I agree. Especially knowing that anyone (town or scum) can be healed by the doc. Essentially, it's giving the doc a lot of responsibility. Do I heal or don't I heal? We know that it's SW doing that bit. Would we blame SW for letting mets die if mets is town?

So, anyway, I'm the passive poisoner. I was hoping to have scum target me, but my play doesn't make sense (see above). I went for food both nights and bumped into someone both nights. I presume that's why blacky and mets were poisoned. So yeah, sorry about that if you're town. Not sorry if you aren't. I don't want to expose my entire role, however.

[ZaBeast]

While this is true of you and not of way too many others (myself included recently), I gotta side with Mets here. I didn't understand "ambush" to be someone visiting you and then you hit them instead, I understood it to be you lying in wait. So if you had not volunteered the "people have to visit me for me to investigate them" information, you would not have been useless as town. You can't blame that on jmf. As far as I have understood you.

One thing has to be taken in the account. No one of those who claimed speak of their secondary actions... OK, I'll start first. OK, I can hide during the night and as I said all actions against me are void. BUT. I can also choose to ambush whoever checks on me, but then I'm not hidden and if the kill is directed I will be killed. But IF it's just an inspection, I will learn something of those who checked me.

That said... I understand why TX AG spoke about passive abilities and perhaps a passive role that can poison people. He obviously has a similar role or was picked and someone who visited him or the real poisoner got poisoned. Blacky was poisoned because he visited someone, but if he was misdirected then we can't know who he did visit, and I think this story is leading to nowhere, just more confusion. Razorvich Certified Confusion. RCC.

The only thing he hadn't said was what bit of information he would get from someone targetting him if not hidden. He's been very liberal with his claim, I don't know why.

@Rage, shouldn't we have known you went for food? I assume it failed at least once since you had to go for it again on the 2nd night. How come no one has been made aware of that? The rules clearly state everyone will know if you go for food and fail.

Mets, if you indeed targeted rage, why? Is it still because of the argument on D1 regarding his lynch stance or is there something more to it?

[Ragian]

Ugh...here's hoping I understand your question correctly: My going for food failed both times.

[dakky21]

Ugh...here's hoping I understand your question correctly: My going for food failed both times.

But that's not what rules said...

IF you find your favorite food you have
50% Chance of missing your prey and looking like a fool (All will know you went for it)

Either Razor didn't follow his own rules or you are lying about going for food.

[Pikanchion]

Unvote: Skoffin
Vote: Ragian

Either this is a bastard mod setup or Ragian is lying about going for food.

[Ragian]

So...let me ask you this: Are you aware of others looking like a fool?

FP'ed by Pika

Nice and quick vote. It's much better to rush a vote than to wait for clarification.

[aage]

What a fucking riot this day is.


Blacky, did you visit Ragian N1?

[Ragian]

Paraphrasing here (got the same info both times): I bumped into something and it doesn't feel pleasant. Then my food disappears. I take this to be two unsuccessful attempts.

I'll leave it to the mod to clear up any misinterpretations of his rules

I'm sure as shit not getting lynched based on either poorly phrasings or negligence.

FP'ed by aage

[aage]

Paraphrasing here (got the same info both times): I bumped into something and it doesn't feel pleasant. Then my food disappears. I take this to be two unsuccessful attempts.

I'll leave it to the mod to clear up any misinterpretations of his rules

I'm sure as shit not getting lynched based on either poorly phrasings or negligence.

FP'ed by aage

Don't worry, if you get lynched today it's because you claimed to be passive poisoner.

[Ragian]

Then stop touching me, weirdos. I didn't choose this role. At first I was happy about the role because I was hoping for scum to hit me. However, it has dawned on me - too late for all you master mafia players - that my role doesn't kill scum unless they're refused help by the healer.

Do you think I'm scum or 3rd party, aage?

[Ragian]

Before anyone cries wolf, I'm aware of the MafiaWiki linking from the psychopath role to the serial killer role. I was aware of that before claiming, too.

[dakky21]

As I said already (multiple times), I think it's a bastard setup and any logical access to the game is actually illogical, so if you think it must be mafia vs town, you may be wrong. It can be anything. I know Razorvich mind and I hope he stayed within boundaries for a mafia game, but I'm not sure. This may not be a mafia game at all, but we will know that when we lynch the first scum, though I don't think that will happen.

[TX AG 90]

What a fucking riot this day is.


Blacky, did you visit Ragian N1?

Blacky's been silent for a very long time.

[Pikanchion]

Nice and quick vote. It's much better to rush a vote than to wait for clarification.

Are you planning on providing any then?

Also... What?

Before anyone cries wolf, I'm aware of the MafiaWiki linking from the psychopath role to the serial killer role. I was aware of that before claiming, too.

[TX AG 90]

Someone needs to point to the irrefutable evidence of jmf being a poisoner. He was just a vig for all I can understand.

There is no irrefutable evidence. But after all the other crap he spewed, it seems like he tried to come clean at the end. His explanation does make sense.

1. We know he was a Town vig
2. He pretty much claimed he was just going for credits, which explained his horrible team play.
3. He said to get credits, he needed to poison a townie and have them healed
4. He begged someone to heal Blacky so he could get credits

[Sirius Kase]

What's so hard to understand?

IF you find your favorite food you have a:
30% Chance of eating it and gaining 200 CREDITS plus one extra UNIQUE night action, to be used during the next night.
50% Chance of missing your prey and looking like a fool (All will know you went for it)
20% Chance of becoming a night kill

ELSE nothing happens

Simple, he looked for food and failed to find it. He tried again the next night and failed again. But he did get touched.

The only outcome probability Raz left off was in the ELSE clause. It seems food is not easy for Rage to find. That makes going for food a weapon for someone with a passive power. It makes it possible for someone to touch him.

[ZaBeast]

Good catch Sirius. I don't really see how it could be a slip anyways as it would be stupid to lie about that. Since you have to waive your night action to go for food, maybe in the case of a passive ability it is automatically triggered back when appropriate, negating the going for food action. And seems going for food is even worse of a deal than I thought at first.

[Sirius Kase]

The intriguing part is that Rage saw food, but it disappeared. Does that count as finding? He paraphrased, so maybe we need a better paraphrase.

Similarly, I think if Dakky thought about it, he could find a way to turn his "waiting in ambush" role into something kinda like a detective. We need detectives.
fp, I typed that before i saw this:

Since you have to waive your night action to go for food, maybe in the case of a passive ability it is automatically triggered back when appropriate, negating the going for food action. And seems going for food is even worse of a deal than I thought at first.

It's not such a bad deal if you can weaponize it. That's what I was saying about Dakky.