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Re: All 1vs1 strategies

Postby PLAYER57832 on Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:47 am

Joodoo wrote:Pour in your one on one strategies here! I think the most basic part of 1vs1 is not to attack neutrals at the beginning (unless it's a "conquest" map).


Probably the most important thing to remember is that every time you attack your opponent, its almost like gaining 2 territories -- you gain 1, they lose 1. On larger maps, good dice can give you a huge advantage for being agressive (but you can also lose a lot ...). On maps with a lot of bonuses, that might not matter. On conquest maps, it definitely does not matter, at least until you actually "meet". (but the winner is often decided by that point on Conquest maps)

Other than that .. yes, do read the guide when it is released (all kidding aside). It is, at least, a very good place to start.
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Re: All 1vs1 strategies

Postby Woodruff on Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:45 pm

xelabale wrote:
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sailorseal wrote:
Joodoo wrote:Pour in your one on one strategies here! I think the most basic part of 1vs1 is not to attack neutrals at the beginning (unless it's a "conquest" map).

I disagree with that as a universal rule, when playing lux you might want to take a neutral to take a bonus


Almost never actually, in my opinion, on a map that small. Larger maps there might be some value in that, but in a tiny map like that, you'd better be pouring all of your efforts at your opponent or you're giving away armies to them.

Arms race?


Sure, Arms Race is definitely a different animal, as you certainly are better off taking a neutral immediately (if not sooner! <grin>). Good point. But that's one of the very few (if not the only one) maps where I would suggest that.
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Re: All 1vs1 strategies

Postby Master of Rampag on Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:43 am

I often try to grab all bonuses that I can get.

However, that only worked at Iraq.
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Re: All 1vs1 strategies

Postby got tonkaed on Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:32 pm

the key points are to go first and get a better drop. Then dont foil it up with bad dice.

Saving that however, if its not a small map its always advisable to keep track of territs. If nobody is going to be getting a bonus and you and your opponent are not widely apart in armies, it might be helpful to keep them under the next extra troop number. Obviously you can find diminishing returns if you get too overzealous with it, but in some fortifications ie not adjacent you can cover yourself for a while if your opponent hasnt cut your reinforcement lines.

Just as important is probably checking the armies and making sure you can move troops. If you are losing armies at a much faster rate than your opponent, consider if you might be making attacks that wont pay off (like attacking neutrals that are unnecessary or attacking in low probability situations with the assualt cubes). If you are a little down in the troop race, make sure to leave open lines to reinforce back to the major battling areas. To this end, if you can eliminate your opponent from a space you have freed any surviving troops up to go to your weaker areas.

Like i said though, stick to steps 1 and 2 and dont neglect 3.
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Re: All 1vs1 strategies

Postby PLAYER57832 on Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:09 pm

wait for the guide .... It should be out soon.
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Re: All 1vs1 strategies

Postby Bruceswar on Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:14 am

sherkaner wrote:Simple tips for forming a good strategy:
(If I'm talking about 3 attacker dice, I mean you have at least 4 on a territory.)

1.) Only attack 3v2/3v1, rarely 2v1, never 1v1, 2v2 or 1v2.
You're only playing 1 opponent, so if you loose a fight on average, don't fight it.



You lost me here. Never attack 3 vs 2 or 3 vs 1.. That is just asking to lose more men. 3 vs 1 is a rare case where you attack for the break/ complete take of a bonus. 3 vs 2 is only if it is last spot this person owns. Then you can try.
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Re: All 1vs1 strategies

Postby Echospree on Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:40 pm

Bruceswar wrote:
sherkaner wrote:Simple tips for forming a good strategy:
(If I'm talking about 3 attacker dice, I mean you have at least 4 on a territory.)

1.) Only attack 3v2/3v1, rarely 2v1, never 1v1, 2v2 or 1v2.
You're only playing 1 opponent, so if you loose a fight on average, don't fight it.



You lost me here. Never attack 3 vs 2 or 3 vs 1.. That is just asking to lose more men. 3 vs 1 is a rare case where you attack for the break/ complete take of a bonus. 3 vs 2 is only if it is last spot this person owns. Then you can try.


He doesn't mean 3v1 or 3v2 as the number of guys in each territory. He means how many dice you roll on each attack. i.e. One less than the # of guys in the attacking territory to a max of 3, and a max of 2 for the defenders.

i.e. a 6v3 attack is 3v2, as the attacker rolls 3 dice and the defender rolls 2.
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Re: All 1vs1 strategies

Postby Bruceswar on Sun Jun 14, 2009 2:24 am

Echospree wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:
sherkaner wrote:Simple tips for forming a good strategy:
(If I'm talking about 3 attacker dice, I mean you have at least 4 on a territory.)

1.) Only attack 3v2/3v1, rarely 2v1, never 1v1, 2v2 or 1v2.
You're only playing 1 opponent, so if you loose a fight on average, don't fight it.



You lost me here. Never attack 3 vs 2 or 3 vs 1.. That is just asking to lose more men. 3 vs 1 is a rare case where you attack for the break/ complete take of a bonus. 3 vs 2 is only if it is last spot this person owns. Then you can try.


He doesn't mean 3v1 or 3v2 as the number of guys in each territory. He means how many dice you roll on each attack. i.e. One less than the # of guys in the attacking territory to a max of 3, and a max of 2 for the defenders.

i.e. a 6v3 attack is 3v2, as the attacker rolls 3 dice and the defender rolls 2.


The average new player does not know this. It was a simple clarification to anybody reading.
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Re: All 1vs1 strategies

Postby Woodruff on Sun Jun 14, 2009 2:30 am

Bruceswar wrote:
Echospree wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:
sherkaner wrote:Simple tips for forming a good strategy:
(If I'm talking about 3 attacker dice, I mean you have at least 4 on a territory.)

1.) Only attack 3v2/3v1, rarely 2v1, never 1v1, 2v2 or 1v2.
You're only playing 1 opponent, so if you loose a fight on average, don't fight it.



You lost me here. Never attack 3 vs 2 or 3 vs 1.. That is just asking to lose more men. 3 vs 1 is a rare case where you attack for the break/ complete take of a bonus. 3 vs 2 is only if it is last spot this person owns. Then you can try.


He doesn't mean 3v1 or 3v2 as the number of guys in each territory. He means how many dice you roll on each attack. i.e. One less than the # of guys in the attacking territory to a max of 3, and a max of 2 for the defenders.

i.e. a 6v3 attack is 3v2, as the attacker rolls 3 dice and the defender rolls 2.


The average new player does not know this. It was a simple clarification to anybody reading.


Yes, I had read it initially exactly as bruceswar was thinking. So I was confused by it too, but he got the point up before I did. And I'm not particularly new.
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Re: All 1vs1 strategies

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Jun 14, 2009 8:28 am

Any one of you up for some 1 vs 1? :D
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Re: All 1vs1 strategies

Postby Woodruff on Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:11 am

PLAYER57832 wrote:Any one of you up for some 1 vs 1? :D


I generally only try to play 1-vs-1 in tournaments and the occasional speed game. But if I'm online when you're interested in a speed game, sure.
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Re: All 1vs1 strategies

Postby AAFitz on Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:46 am

BaldAdonis wrote:
Kotaro wrote:They're actually developing a strategy guide for all 1v1's in the guide group. In fact, funny story, I got kicked out for being an idiot

I agree, that guide rocks. If you followed those strategies, you would win almost as much as I do.


Didnt help you against me though, did it? I think you even put me on ignore, because you couldnt handle some differing opinions as I recall too. The key to 1v1 strategies however, is to adjust them for the particular drop, map and settings. Some strategies are great on one map, and terrible on others. That is the key to all of them. Sometimes you want to aim for bonuses, sometimes you want to aim for territories. Sometimes you want to attack with everything, sometimes you want to defend. You may need to drop all in one place at times, and others, you need to drop 1's and attack everywhere you can. Its all about the situation, and adjusting it to fit. Unfortunately, the dice will decide whether your strategy is effective alot of the time too. If you drop in one place and lose everything, than you lose, if you drop ones and lose all your attacks, you lose. The key is to play them all the best you can for each setting and map, and over time you will win the most.

You can try to play just one strategy for all maps and settings but it will be a mistake in the end. Those who do not see this will lose and not even know why.

My recommendation is to play the bigger maps, because it will give you far more time to actually apply strategy, and adjust for luck, bad drops, and going second. My personal favorite is World, because while some games are decided on the first turn, its size, especially with the correct settings allow for tiny moves and decisions to add up to an overall effect, of counteracting the bad luck.
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Re: All 1vs1 strategies

Postby BaldAdonis on Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:58 pm

Helped a lot; I beat you soundly on your favourite map. I put you on ignore because you cried so much in the games. Anyone can check the veracity of both of those claims with the game finder. Digging up my old posts won't help you unless you follow the advice. Until then you'll still be a sub-par player.
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