PERMABANS (though you did not know it!)

[sam_levi_11]

The rules of the site also state homophobia yet i have given evidence before, with witnesses, of homophobia (im bisexual) and nothing was done. Dont think it will be any different soon. Fact is its the internet, people will take up the last assholes position.

Though other than bisexuality being a little greedy, (i am a strong advocate of greed ) i know precisely what you mean. homophobia is pretty much accepted or at least something way down the pecking order of crimes it seems. i am sure its rebuke has far less general sympathy than even anti-racism seems to have.

Pretty much, if i was black and someone called me the n word or w/e there would be uproar, but someone call me sumin cos im bi and no one gives a shit tbh.

[Mr Changsha]

The rules of the site also state homophobia yet i have given evidence before, with witnesses, of homophobia (im bisexual) and nothing was done. Dont think it will be any different soon. Fact is its the internet, people will take up the last assholes position.

Though other than bisexuality being a little greedy, (i am a strong advocate of greed ) i know precisely what you mean. homophobia is pretty much accepted or at least something way down the pecking order of crimes it seems. i am sure its rebuke has far less general sympathy than even anti-racism seems to have.

Pretty much, if i was black and someone called me the n word or w/e there would be uproar, but someone call me sumin cos im bi and no one gives a shit tbh.

I really shouldn't get into this...but WHY did you feel the need to announce you are bi-sexual in an on-line forum devoted to Risk? You didn't realise that there are idiots out there in the big bad world who might enjoy winding you up (after you bared your soul) from the comparative safety of their living rooms?

Frankly, I could be white, black or yellow and you people have no idea. I could be gay, straight, bi-sexual, transexual or metrofuckingsexual and you people have no clue. I could be christian, muslim, communist or a satanist and you wouldn't be the wiser either.

You have the right to keep information private. Once you give up that right by announcing something personal on-line, it doesn't seem to make sense to then cry when people use that information against you. Keep your business to yourself. Parade your race, sexuality or creed on-line and expect to get a reaction.

If you weren't expecting it then more fool you.

[jiminski]

The rules of the site also state homophobia yet i have given evidence before, with witnesses, of homophobia (im bisexual) and nothing was done. Dont think it will be any different soon. Fact is its the internet, people will take up the last assholes position.

Though other than bisexuality being a little greedy, (i am a strong advocate of greed ) i know precisely what you mean. homophobia is pretty much accepted or at least something way down the pecking order of crimes it seems. i am sure its rebuke has far less general sympathy than even anti-racism seems to have.

Pretty much, if i was black and someone called me the n word or w/e there would be uproar, but someone call me sumin cos im bi and no one gives a shit tbh.

yeas, it is a strange one. I think that a human trait to feel more comfortable with mocking the 'limitations' which we also have.
We can not with all honesty draw upon being black to justify our bigotry if we are not in fact black and have not wrestled with the disadvantage society sometimes imbues that. (though sometimes the .."hey i'm not racist, my best mate is black" attempts to claim immunity to social convention via association)
The point is that many see Homosexuality as a choice. (personally i do not .. but neither is it so simplistic) I must qualify this by saying that i am Heterosexual, hah though i do feel qualified to comment on the finer details. Now why do people see this as a choice and why do we feel enabled to comment?
In my opinion it is because all men in particular, go through an examination of inner-most desire and proclivity. I did, social convention and 'taste' constantly forces us to re-examine our sexual status. Reaffirming it in the peer group, is as much about asserting our own orientation as it is about bringing the rest into line.

I think, uncomfortable though it may be, that the most stalwart of homophobes understand the thought process intimately enough to feel able to cast judgement.

Edit, hahah i see your post regarding my Clan mate Scott, just to say i am not asserting that he is gay based on my thesis. I am saying that all men have the potential .. and if anyone argues against this it is because they are more predisposed towards homosexuality than those with more overt acceptance of same gender sex. ; )

[e_i_pi]

pi, but would the following statements also make people upset? There is a way to say things correctly and a way to not.

I have a friend John who is homosexual
"Yeah, that's my friend John. He's a f****t."

I have a friend Matt who is African American
"Yeah, that's my friend Matt. He's black."

Lance, you missed the point... not nearly as bad as Joshyboy did... I'm not sure he even read my post beofre replying.

Homosexuals can acceptably call each other gay
African Americans can acceptably call each other nigger
Homosexuals do not go around calling each other faggot though, well, not the one's I know anyhow

[owenshooter]

Pretty much, if i was black and someone called me the n word or w/e there would be uproar, but someone call me sumin cos im bi and no one gives a shit tbh.

surely you don't mean here on CC do you? i was told that if i read something racist, even the N word, to ignore it, put the person on ignore, and move on... i was even told that THEY were tired of it, and i was on the verge of being perma-banned due to my complaints on bigotry and racism. hell, the one substantial time a person was banned for it, after my complaint, i received the same week long ban for "trolling" about the subject all about the forums. somehow, they couldn't understand how their ignoring the situation and not giving the person any sort of real punishment could cause the person that was wronged to try and voice his concerns and opinions to a broader audience. andy has finally stood up and is taking a step in the right direction. it should be all bigotry, and not just racism. and again, i think it should be based upon reports filed in the C&A by the members offended by said actions, not some wandering mod that just looks for stuff to punish people, when it may be out of context...-0

p.s.-enough with the posting of the N word... something needs to be done about that...

[thegreekdog]

Pretty much, if i was black and someone called me the n word or w/e there would be uproar, but someone call me sumin cos im bi and no one gives a shit tbh.

surely you don't mean here on CC do you? i was told that if i read something racist, even the N word, to ignore it, put the person on ignore, and move on... i was even told that THEY were tired of it, and i was on the verge of being perma-banned due to my complaints on bigotry and racism. hell, the one substantial time a person was banned for it, after my complaint, i received the same week long ban for "trolling" about the subject all about the forums. somehow, they couldn't understand how their ignoring the situation and not giving the person any sort of real punishment could cause the person that was wronged to try and voice his concerns and opinions to a broader audience. andy has finally stood up and is taking a step in the right direction. it should be all bigotry, and not just racism. and again, i think it should be based upon reports filed in the C&A by the members offended by said actions, not some wandering mod that just looks for stuff to punish people, when it may be out of context...-0

p.s.-enough with the posting of the N word... something needs to be done about that...

I would assume, Owenshooter, that you agree with my proposition to Andy?

[Snorri1234]

I really shouldn't get into this...but WHY did you feel the need to announce you are bi-sexual in an on-line forum devoted to Risk? You didn't realise that there are idiots out there in the big bad world who might enjoy winding you up (after you bared your soul) from the comparative safety of their living rooms?

Frankly, I could be white, black or yellow and you people have no idea. I could be gay, straight, bi-sexual, transexual or metrofuckingsexual and you people have no clue. I could be christian, muslim, communist or a satanist and you wouldn't be the wiser either.

You have the right to keep information private. Once you give up that right by announcing something personal on-line, it doesn't seem to make sense to then cry when people use that information against you. Keep your business to yourself. Parade your race, sexuality or creed on-line and expect to get a reaction.

If you weren't expecting it then more fool you.

It's not so much not expecting that it will occur but expecting that there would be something done about it. You can't excuse bigotry by saying that it's their fault for revealing they're anything but WASP's.

[Snorri1234]

I'm sorry if I've upset you owen, but the point I am trying to make - which I'll admit I didn't really make clear - is that the "n" word (I won't use it from now on, forgive my insensitivity) was used for almost a couple of hundred years, for example in the first world war, in a non-derogatory way. It's only recently that Political Correctness has gone crazy, and it is only recently that people have started using it in a derogatory way.

As early as the 1800s, the term was considered a derogatory one, so this really cannot in any way be blamed on political correctness, nor is it's derogatory usage only recent.

I must disagree with you Woodruff. It CAN be blamed on political correctness. Because until recently (talking maybe a decade or two) the "n" word was used and nobody complained. Then along came good ol' PC and the world went mad. So now people use it to be deliberately offensive. Can't you guys appreciate what I'm trying to say?

No, because you're quite hilariously wrong. The n-word has been a derogatory slur for quite some time now and even though it was used till recently, the civil rights movement pretty much put a stop to it.

Just because people used the word doesn't mean it wasn't offensive.

[Mr Changsha]

I really shouldn't get into this...but WHY did you feel the need to announce you are bi-sexual in an on-line forum devoted to Risk? You didn't realise that there are idiots out there in the big bad world who might enjoy winding you up (after you bared your soul) from the comparative safety of their living rooms?

Frankly, I could be white, black or yellow and you people have no idea. I could be gay, straight, bi-sexual, transexual or metrofuckingsexual and you people have no clue. I could be christian, muslim, communist or a satanist and you wouldn't be the wiser either.

You have the right to keep information private. Once you give up that right by announcing something personal on-line, it doesn't seem to make sense to then cry when people use that information against you. Keep your business to yourself. Parade your race, sexuality or creed on-line and expect to get a reaction.

If you weren't expecting it then more fool you.

It's not so much not expecting that it will occur but expecting that there would be something done about it. You can't excuse bigotry by saying that it's their fault for revealing they're anything but WASP's.

Not a question of fault on behalf of the chap who announces to the world he is bi-sexual, but surely a measure of responsibility for the consequences of announcing it?

i.e if he hadn't announced to thousands of strangers (and would he announce it to a room full of people in that place we like to think of as the real world?) then no one would have made fun of him for it. Assuming that not one person in thousands would think bi-sexuality is gross, evil, greedy, strange or depraved, and assuming that such a person wouldn't then make a point of it in the forums is a bit dense.

As I said, keeping your private life to yourself - or at least anything in the least controversial - would normally be the best way to go if you were dealing with a room full of strangers. CC forums are, in effect, a room full of strangers too.

[sam_levi_11]

The rules of the site also state homophobia yet i have given evidence before, with witnesses, of homophobia (im bisexual) and nothing was done. Dont think it will be any different soon. Fact is its the internet, people will take up the last assholes position.

Though other than bisexuality being a little greedy, (i am a strong advocate of greed ) i know precisely what you mean. homophobia is pretty much accepted or at least something way down the pecking order of crimes it seems. i am sure its rebuke has far less general sympathy than even anti-racism seems to have.

Pretty much, if i was black and someone called me the n word or w/e there would be uproar, but someone call me sumin cos im bi and no one gives a shit tbh.

I really shouldn't get into this...but WHY did you feel the need to announce you are bi-sexual in an on-line forum devoted to Risk? You didn't realise that there are idiots out there in the big bad world who might enjoy winding you up (after you bared your soul) from the comparative safety of their living rooms?

Frankly, I could be white, black or yellow and you people have no idea. I could be gay, straight, bi-sexual, transexual or metrofuckingsexual and you people have no clue. I could be christian, muslim, communist or a satanist and you wouldn't be the wiser either.

You have the right to keep information private. Once you give up that right by announcing something personal on-line, it doesn't seem to make sense to then cry when people use that information against you. Keep your business to yourself. Parade your race, sexuality or creed on-line and expect to get a reaction.

If you weren't expecting it then more fool you.

You make it sound like i went around announcing it, i didnt. I simply made one joke comment and from that they asked. So i told him. Then it started. Im not going to cover it up, just because some little minded person like you wants to use it against me. I think its you who is the fool.

[Mr Changsha]

The rules of the site also state homophobia yet i have given evidence before, with witnesses, of homophobia (im bisexual) and nothing was done. Dont think it will be any different soon. Fact is its the internet, people will take up the last assholes position.

Though other than bisexuality being a little greedy, (i am a strong advocate of greed ) i know precisely what you mean. homophobia is pretty much accepted or at least something way down the pecking order of crimes it seems. i am sure its rebuke has far less general sympathy than even anti-racism seems to have.

Pretty much, if i was black and someone called me the n word or w/e there would be uproar, but someone call me sumin cos im bi and no one gives a shit tbh.

I really shouldn't get into this...but WHY did you feel the need to announce you are bi-sexual in an on-line forum devoted to Risk? You didn't realise that there are idiots out there in the big bad world who might enjoy winding you up (after you bared your soul) from the comparative safety of their living rooms?

Frankly, I could be white, black or yellow and you people have no idea. I could be gay, straight, bi-sexual, transexual or metrofuckingsexual and you people have no clue. I could be christian, muslim, communist or a satanist and you wouldn't be the wiser either.

You have the right to keep information private. Once you give up that right by announcing something personal on-line, it doesn't seem to make sense to then cry when people use that information against you. Keep your business to yourself. Parade your race, sexuality or creed on-line and expect to get a reaction.

If you weren't expecting it then more fool you.

You make it sound like i went around announcing it, i didnt. I simply made one joke comment and from that they asked. So i told him. Then it started. Im not going to cover it up, just because some little minded person like you wants to use it against me. I think its you who is the fool.

Little minded?

Maybe.

I'm not suggesting it is right you were victimised by anyone for any reason. I am merely suggesting that if you had kept the information to yourself then you wouldn't have had a problem at all.

[sam_levi_11]

This is very true indeed, but i did not want to lie as that means they win and its almost condoning it.

[Mr Changsha]

This is very true indeed, but i did not want to lie as that means they win and its almost condoning it.

No, it means you have sense of privacy.

[squishyg]

Your point is a good one, and I don't disagree. However, perhaps using the phrase "the "n" word" is more appropriate than using the word itself. It's pretty easy to do. I'm not going to argue with owenshooter that the use of the actual "n" word isn't rascist. He's black, I'm not; that's his prerogative as to whether the word is rascist or not. I just think it's easier if, when discussing the rascism issue in a purely non-rascist context, that we use the phrase "the "n" word" instead of the actual word itself. Thereby, we can ban the term without banning discussion of the term.

Owen should not have to have the responsibility of deeming what is offensive to all black people. Can we all just agree that the n-word is wrong and move on?

I really shouldn't get into this...but WHY did you feel the need to announce you are bi-sexual in an on-line forum devoted to Risk? You didn't realise that there are idiots out there in the big bad world who might enjoy winding you up (after you bared your soul) from the comparative safety of their living rooms?

Frankly, I could be white, black or yellow and you people have no idea. I could be gay, straight, bi-sexual, transexual or metrofuckingsexual and you people have no clue. I could be christian, muslim, communist or a satanist and you wouldn't be the wiser either.

You have the right to keep information private. Once you give up that right by announcing something personal on-line, it doesn't seem to make sense to then cry when people use that information against you. Keep your business to yourself. Parade your race, sexuality or creed on-line and expect to get a reaction.

If you weren't expecting it then more fool you.

I don't agree with Don't Ask, Don't Tell and I don't agree with this. You should not have to pretend to be someone you're not to escape persecution.


I'd also like to say that caring about other people's feelings and standing up against oppression does not make you an evil, liberal, politically correct, oversensitive wuss. It makes you a decent human being.

[thegreekdog]

Can we all just agree that the n-word is wrong and move on?

This is exactly what I'm saying. Let's just ban that word, and some others, and move on. Everyone will be much happier.

[MrBenn]

Does/should the definition of bigotry be extended to include blasphemy?

[squishyg]

Can we all just agree that the n-word is wrong and move on?

This is exactly what I'm saying. Let's just ban that word, and some others, and move on. Everyone will be much happier.

Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but I'd like to shoot higher than that. If someone calls someone the n-word or calls someone the f-word (as it pertains to homosexuals) in game chat, for example, and the chat filter blocks the word, the intention will still come across, no? Even if the filter blocks the entire word, it will still be clear that Player A was calling Player B something really foul.

Does/should the definition of bigotry be extended to include blasphemy?

This is almost an entirely different debate. Insulting someone's religion would fall under the no bigotry rule. Taking anyone's lord's name in vain might be distasteful, but it's not bigotry. I think this line of thinking would extend to any belief system, including political persuasions, and Yankee and Red Sox fans.

[Mr Changsha]

Your point is a good one, and I don't disagree. However, perhaps using the phrase "the "n" word" is more appropriate than using the word itself. It's pretty easy to do. I'm not going to argue with owenshooter that the use of the actual "n" word isn't rascist. He's black, I'm not; that's his prerogative as to whether the word is rascist or not. I just think it's easier if, when discussing the rascism issue in a purely non-rascist context, that we use the phrase "the "n" word" instead of the actual word itself. Thereby, we can ban the term without banning discussion of the term.

Owen should not have to have the responsibility of deeming what is offensive to all black people. Can we all just agree that the n-word is wrong and move on?

I really shouldn't get into this...but WHY did you feel the need to announce you are bi-sexual in an on-line forum devoted to Risk? You didn't realise that there are idiots out there in the big bad world who might enjoy winding you up (after you bared your soul) from the comparative safety of their living rooms?

Frankly, I could be white, black or yellow and you people have no idea. I could be gay, straight, bi-sexual, transexual or metrofuckingsexual and you people have no clue. I could be christian, muslim, communist or a satanist and you wouldn't be the wiser either.

You have the right to keep information private. Once you give up that right by announcing something personal on-line, it doesn't seem to make sense to then cry when people use that information against you. Keep your business to yourself. Parade your race, sexuality or creed on-line and expect to get a reaction.

If you weren't expecting it then more fool you.

I don't agree with Don't Ask, Don't Tell and I don't agree with this. You should not have to pretend to be someone you're not to escape persecution.


I'd also like to say that caring about other people's feelings and standing up against oppression does not make you an evil, liberal, politically correct, oversensitive wuss. It makes you a decent human being.

Yes, but now we have a world (or at least a western world) where every group, no matter how big or small, feels they have the right to flaunt there differences to the rest of the world. No matter if other people are offended by it, or don't want to hear it. They WILL hear it, and if they don't like it then they must be prejudiced...

Do I want to see 10,000 Nazis marching through London? Nope.

Do I want to see 10,000 homosexuals marching though London? Nope.

10,000 pot heads? Nope.

10,000 S and M devotees? Nope.

10,000 (of any other interest group that just feels their voice must be heard)? Nope.

We can learn two things from this. 1. I hate marching. 2. I believe people should keep their shit to themselves.

And you know, the funny thing is that if everyone kept their shit to themselves then you would all find far less to get offended by.

[squishyg]

I respectfully disagree. I don't think a gay couple should have to pretend to be just buddies when out in public for fear of being hit with a beer bottle because someone is offended by homosexuality. I think the right to be who you are and to not have to hide it trumps the right of someone who dislikes/hates/fears you.

[thelastpatriot]

I don't care if your straight, gay, white, black, indian, spanish, oriental, male, female, parrothead, deadhead, pothead, republican, democrat, communist, captialist, socialist, christian, jewish, satinist, or all the other religions or non religions out there. [b]JUST TAKE YOUR DAMN TURN.....[/b]

[mpjh]

I find that white, male, fundamentalist christians miss more turns than others.

[AndyDufresne]

I'm back, though off the clock, I'll go ahead and review what has happened since my last post.


--Andy

[Mr Changsha]

I respectfully disagree. I don't think a gay couple should have to pretend to be just buddies when out in public for fear of being hit with a beer bottle because someone is offended by homosexuality. I think the right to be who you are and to not have to hide it trumps the right of someone who dislikes/hates/fears you.

That's the key point but I'm not sure you are right about it. You live in a diverse community (I would suppose) and tolerance in such a situation works both ways. It is not enough to say that everyone should be able to live as they want to live. What if two groups ideals are in conflict?

Should two gay chaps want to walk arm in arm I say all the power to them! But should they walk past the (fictional I hope) "Anti-homosexuality brotherhood of Islam" mosque and thus offend a religious group by doing so? Now I would say that the anti-gay group have as much right to have their feelings respected as the two gay chaps, regardless of whether I agree with their views or not.

So the sensible thing to do, in my hypothetical situation, would be for the two gay chaps to not walk arm in arm past the mosque. In the same manner, the anti-gay brotherhood shouldn't try to leaflet the local gay bar either.

It is all about tolerance, you see? Quiet, dignified, tolerance.

[mpjh]

No, it is all about civil rights. No one has the right to impose their bias and reduce the civil rights of others. In your example, the Muslim Brotherhood would just have to suck it up and obey the civil law.

[jiminski]

Does/should the definition of bigotry be extended to include blasphemy?

christ no! i am not sure how it could. Could you give an example of how bigotry could be applicable to using blasphemous language?