Letter to CC: Farmer List

[Rocketry]

Agreed - clickies is legal. However, it is a useful tool for farming when combined with speed, fog and waterloo.

How about a slightly improved list:

• Use of freestyle, clickies OR fog
  In combination with:
• Use of complex maps. (Defined as those with complex features like bombardments/conquest/victory conditions.)
  As well as
• Over 2000 pts
• Opponents all under 1000 pts
  Occuring:
• 20 plus times in the last 8 weeks.

Your list makes no sense what so ever. What the hell does fog have to do with anything and clickable maps? Your complex map theory is a bad theory also. When I play a 1 vs 1 I do not want to play a coin flip. Who wants to play a seq, flat rate, chained forts, on Classic art. Mine as well toss away points to bad players who get lucky. People tend to like settings with less luck, hence why freestyle speed is so popular. Just because it is not a game you know how to play do not label it as a farming game. In fact many freestyle speed games have tons of top players in them. Surely you would not call that farming? So the game turns into a "farming" game the minute some lower ranking person joins, but if a higher rank joined then it is OK? Your logic is flawed. You do realize some people play 20 games in 1 day, much less 8 weeks.

Freestyle and fog are more difficult settings to play than sequential sunny. Thats a fact. Becuase freestyle/fog is more difficult to play, experianced players naturally choose those settings they are more likely to win. Nothing wrong with that. However, it becomes a problem when less experienced players are sytematically entered into games they have a very small chance of winning.

The maps thing is pre-determined. There is a list somewhere of what exactly counts as a complex map - i'll try and find it for you.

We could leave out clickes. You are the second person to question it. How many games do you recon would be need to make farming? 100? 200? 500?

Little improved once again:

• Use of freestyle and/or fog
  In combination with:
• Use of complex maps. (Defined as those with complex features like bombardments/conquest/victory conditions.)
  As well as
• Over 2000 pts
• Opponents all under 1000 pts
  Occuring:
• 200 plus times in the last 8 weeks.

Another serious question to address is whether a list would gain any attention. The chances of low ranked/new people finding i is remote don't you think? Only those of us that allready know a farm game from a mile away are likely to even know a black list exists.

[jnd94]

Agreed - clickies is legal. However, it is a useful tool for farming when combined with speed, fog and waterloo.

How about a slightly improved list:

• Use of freestyle, clickies OR fog
  In combination with:
• Use of complex maps. (Defined as those with complex features like bombardments/conquest/victory conditions.)
  As well as
• Over 2000 pts
• Opponents all under 1000 pts
  Occuring:
• 20 plus times in the last 8 weeks.

Your list makes no sense what so ever. What the hell does fog have to do with anything and clickable maps? Your complex map theory is a bad theory also. When I play a 1 vs 1 I do not want to play a coin flip. Who wants to play a seq, flat rate, chained forts, on Classic art. Mine as well toss away points to bad players who get lucky. People tend to like settings with less luck, hence why freestyle speed is so popular. Just because it is not a game you know how to play do not label it as a farming game. In fact many freestyle speed games have tons of top players in them. Surely you would not call that farming? So the game turns into a "farming" game the minute some lower ranking person joins, but if a higher rank joined then it is OK? Your logic is flawed. You do realize some people play 20 games in 1 day, much less 8 weeks.

Freestyle and fog are more difficult settings to play than sequential sunny. Thats a fact. Becuase freestyle/fog is more difficult to play, experianced players naturally choose those settings they are more likely to win. Nothing wrong with that. However, it becomes a problem when less experienced players are sytematically entered into games they have a very small chance of winning.

The maps thing is pre-determined. There is a list somewhere of what exactly counts as a complex map - i'll try and find it for you.

We could leave out clickes. You are the second person to question it. How many games do you recon would be need to make farming? 100? 200? 500?

Little improved once again:

• Use of freestyle and/or fog
  In combination with:
• Use of complex maps. (Defined as those with complex features like bombardments/conquest/victory conditions.)
  As well as
• Over 2000 pts
• Opponents all under 1000 pts
  Occuring:
• 200 plus times in the last 8 weeks.

Another serious question to address is whether a list would gain any attention. The chances of low ranked/new people finding i is remote don't you think? Only those of us that allready know a farm game from a mile away are likely to even know a black list exists.

If a serious list ever gets made, have Lack make an announcement about it and farming. That should give it some attention.

[Bruceswar]

Freestyle and fog are more difficult settings to play than sequential sunny. Thats a fact. Becuase freestyle/fog is more difficult to play, experianced players naturally choose those settings they are more likely to win. Nothing wrong with that. However, it becomes a problem when less experienced players are sytematically entered into games they have a very small chance of winning.

The maps thing is pre-determined. There is a list somewhere of what exactly counts as a complex map - i'll try and find it for you.

We could leave out clickes. You are the second person to question it. How many games do you recon would be need to make farming? 100? 200? 500?

Little improved once again:

• Use of freestyle and/or fog
  In combination with:
• Use of complex maps. (Defined as those with complex features like bombardments/conquest/victory conditions.)
  As well as
• Over 2000 pts
• Opponents all under 1000 pts
  Occuring:
• 200 plus times in the last 8 weeks.

Another serious question to address is whether a list would gain any attention. The chances of low ranked/new people finding i is remote don't you think? Only those of us that allready know a farm game from a mile away are likely to even know a black list exists.

That is the whole point. If I played LeBron James, I would not expect to win either. He is in another class than me. Most of these lower ranking players join these games setup by high ranks for the chance at some nice points. The chances of me beating LeBron James in any game type are slim to non. If I joined in a game vs him I would know this already. People are trying to take away the luck factor of CC by adding freestyle and or fog. Those are other layers of skill added into the game. You pick the games you join. Nobody forces you to join any games. You join a game knowing what you are up against. If you join a game vs a high rank you should not expect it to be easy.

[owenshooter]

If a serious list ever gets made, have Lack make an announcement about it and farming. That should give it some attention.

yeah, you should really contact lack about this list ... CC has already outlawed farming and if you find someone doing so, you are to turn them into C&A... none of you have addressed any of my or andy's post that make this more than valid point. this thread is pointless. if you have evidence, turn them in. farming is illegal. maybe you all missed the post from NEW YEARS and from within this thread. sooo, here it is again:

"Newbie Farming" is the technique of setting up as many games as possible (either by starting or joining them) with New Recruits to gain easy points by taking advantage of difficult game options and the fact the New Recruits are more likely to deadbeat. Some players have been farming extensively - even sending hundreds of PMs to the latest members to get them into their games.

This is a gross abuse of the game. It gives the New Recruit "victims" a poor first experience and reduces the chances of them sticking around. As farmers move up the scoreboard it also harms the competitive nature of Conquer Club - the scoreboard is meant to measure skill in the game, not "harvesting" techniques.

In accordance with the desires and feedback of the majority of the community, our rules and as a new leaf for 2009, it is our New Years resolution to make Newbie Farming forbidden. Members who continue this practice will receive point resets and then progressively longer website bans.

This does not mean you will get in trouble for joining a game here and there with many new recruits. We are only talking about the systematic targeting of new recruits.

We have taken the following measures to stop Newbie Farming:

• For New Recruits, we filtered out game options from the join page if they reduce the chance of new players reaching their 1st promotion (see here here and here).
  
• We shut down any usergroups with a focus on Newbie Farming.
  
• We are sending individual warnings to the Farmers Guild and select other users who have practiced farming in the past. These should be arriving soon.

If you don't officially receive a warning, consider this it...we may have overlooked you once, but we won't do it again.

Thanks and have a nice day

farming is illegal... if you catch someone farming, turn them into C&A... period.-0

[hwhrhett]

If a serious list ever gets made, have Lack make an announcement about it and farming. That should give it some attention.

yeah, you should really contact lack about this list ... CC has already outlawed farming and if you find someone doing so, you are to turn them into C&A... none of you have addressed any of my or andy's post that make this more than valid point. this thread is pointless. if you have evidence, turn them in. farming is illegal. maybe you all missed the post from NEW YEARS and from within this thread. sooo, here it is again:

"Newbie Farming" is the technique of setting up as many games as possible (either by starting or joining them) with New Recruits to gain easy points by taking advantage of difficult game options and the fact the New Recruits are more likely to deadbeat. Some players have been farming extensively - even sending hundreds of PMs to the latest members to get them into their games.

This is a gross abuse of the game. It gives the New Recruit "victims" a poor first experience and reduces the chances of them sticking around. As farmers move up the scoreboard it also harms the competitive nature of Conquer Club - the scoreboard is meant to measure skill in the game, not "harvesting" techniques.

In accordance with the desires and feedback of the majority of the community, our rules and as a new leaf for 2009, it is our New Years resolution to make Newbie Farming forbidden. Members who continue this practice will receive point resets and then progressively longer website bans.

This does not mean you will get in trouble for joining a game here and there with many new recruits. We are only talking about the systematic targeting of new recruits.

We have taken the following measures to stop Newbie Farming:

• For New Recruits, we filtered out game options from the join page if they reduce the chance of new players reaching their 1st promotion (see here here and here).
  
• We shut down any usergroups with a focus on Newbie Farming.
  
• We are sending individual warnings to the Farmers Guild and select other users who have practiced farming in the past. These should be arriving soon.

If you don't officially receive a warning, consider this it...we may have overlooked you once, but we won't do it again.

Thanks and have a nice day

farming is illegal... if you catch someone farming, turn them into C&A... period.-0

owen, stop trying to be all mod-ly for a minute... what about all the threads that have been made in the past about listing people that make multis, or deadbeats, or whatever. this is no different. i dont see why anybody needs to respond to your post about 'report them in c&a' when this thread is not about the report. it is merely an attempt to make a list no? what about your post or andy's, validates a response?

[owenshooter]

owen, stop trying to be all mod-ly for a minute... what about all the threads that have been made in the past about listing people that make multis, or deadbeats, or whatever. this is no different. i dont see why anybody needs to respond to your post about 'report them in c&a' when this thread is not about the report. it is merely an attempt to make a list no? what about your post or andy's, validates a response?

if they are farming, they will be dealt with. so why wouldn't you start a thread in C&A about their farming? at least that way, people that are wrongly accused can be cleared. what you want to do is start a witch hunt, period. Lack put measures in place to deal with farming, and they routinely deal with farming within the C&A forums (go look in there now, i guarantee you will find a thread about someone farming). it isn't being "mod-ly", it is using my common sense. there are rules, if someone breaks the rules, you report them. please explain to me what you are going to do when you accuse someone of farming, and you are incorrect. tell me how that is going to work. this list is ridiculous and it is counter productive to solving the problem. a witch hunt is not going to end farming...-0

p.s.-if acting "mod-ly" means, being rational about a situation and using the rules as a means to punish those that break the rules, then call me "mod-ly"...

[Georgerx7di]

After a quick look at karel's last 20 or 30 games, I would like to apologize. I don't see a whole bunch only filled with the lowest rank as we used to see with JR. There are a variety of ranks playing him. So I was mistaken about who he was playing and about exactly what FP was trying to say.

[owenshooter]

After a quick look at karel's last 20 or 30 games, I would like to apologize. I don't see a whole bunch only filled with the lowest rank as we used to see with JR. There are a variety of ranks playing him. So I was mistaken about who he was playing and about exactly what FP was trying to say.

but hey! let's put him on the list anyway!!! thank you for proving one of my points. this is EXACTLY why people should be turned into C&A and not your witch hunt list. i applaud Georgerx7di for standing up and admitting he was wrong AND APOLOGIZING. you are a true mench, George!! it takes a very big CC'er to stand up and admit he/she was wrong about an accusation.-0

[hwhrhett]

owen, stop trying to be all mod-ly for a minute... what about all the threads that have been made in the past about listing people that make multis, or deadbeats, or whatever. this is no different. i dont see why anybody needs to respond to your post about 'report them in c&a' when this thread is not about the report. it is merely an attempt to make a list no? what about your post or andy's, validates a response?

if they are farming, they will be dealt with. so why wouldn't you start a thread in C&A about their farming? at least that way, people that are wrongly accused can be cleared. what you want to do is start a witch hunt, period. Lack put measures in place to deal with farming, and they routinely deal with farming within the C&A forums (go look in there now, i guarantee you will find a thread about someone farming). it isn't being "mod-ly", it is using my common sense. there are rules, if someone breaks the rules, you report them. please explain to me what you are going to do when you accuse someone of farming, and you are incorrect. tell me how that is going to work. this list is ridiculous and it is counter productive to solving the problem. a witch hunt is not going to end farming...-0

p.s.-if acting "mod-ly" means, being rational about a situation and using the rules as a means to punish those that break the rules, then call me "mod-ly"...

for the record owen, ive never been for any type of list. your posts these days mostly border on trolling under the guise of 'being helpful'.

they say 'lets start a list of farmers'
this does not mean that farmers will no longer be reported, im sure that they would.. thats probably where the majority of the list comes from..
you say 'this post is dumb if people are farming report them'.
since when can making a gd topic about something mean that there cant ALSO be a c&a topic.
of course nobody mentions this because your just trying to be 'helpful', until you come back and complain that nobody has responded to your post WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL POST.

but hey, i can quote the rules too:

Off topic posts are posts which de-rail a topic either directly or indirectly, at any point.

hide: Off Topic Specifics

* If the post is not about you, don't try to make it about you.
* If the main point of your post is about something other than what the OP intended, it's not on topic, even if you did post about how you agree with the OP.
* Yes, you can joke around in a thread, but keep it on the topic originally intended by the OP
* Whether or not your post is the first to take a thread off topic is irrelevant: Off topic is off topic.
* Just because everyone in the thread doesn't mind it going off topic does not mean that it's okey doky.

no offense intended here owen... im just saying.... stop..

[JACKAZZTJM]

PS - This is just an example and not a hard fact that karelpietertje does this regularly ... it was just the one that broke the poet's cool.

You referred to urself in the third pearson with a nickname.......third pearson actual name = superstar......third pearson nickname/shortened name = gay

[JACKAZZTJM]

uuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhh im the poet uhhhhhhhhhhhh pppppppoooooooeeeeeeeeeeeettttt uuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hahhahhahagay gay gay u should blush for that

[Scott-Land]

p.s.-if acting "mod-ly" means, being rational about a situation and using the rules as a means to punish those that break the rules, then call me "mod-ly"...

You mean rules that you want to abide by........ save us the preacher bs-- these rules that you break to receive multiple forum bans?

[owenshooter]

*yawn*... my case was made and proven. andy agreed that this thread was not necessary, as that is what C&A is for. not to mention CC has taken steps to deal with farming. to top it off, a member in this thread wrongly accused another member of farming within this thread, only to recant his accusations and apologize as he should have. this is a witch hunt, period. a list is not needed, and it will surely be shut down/locked once or even if it begins to materialize. anyone could/can accuse any other member, wrongly so, and there would be no repercussions for it. the C&A forum has the framework and mods to deal with farming complaints that are FACTUAL. they have locked every single attempt at a community wide "foe list" thread, where members can post people to foe. so, what makes this any different? one member has already been falsely accused, and that to me is one too many. the fault of the concept of this thread has already been exposed by one bogus accusation of farming. go to C&A with your evidence, don't play police, jude, jury and executioner. to be quite honest, you don't even have the proper tools to attempt it...-0

p.s.-now go ahead and accuse me of being off topic because i don't agree with the silly concept of this thread. disagreeing is not being "intentionally annoying". i am basing all of my comments on facts and rules of CC and statements made within this thread. disagreeing with a ridiculous notion is not trolling. if you want to have control over what people post in your threads, go start a user group where you can control who sees the threads and who is able to join.

p.p.s.-wow, you sure did tell me scott... wow...

[King_Herpes]

I think everybody needs to just calm down and eat some fruit or something.

[Scott-Land]

I think everybody needs to just calm down and eat some fruit or something.

I see you found a new approach to farming-- better watch out..... 2 of those 3 cooks that you joined with just got promoted to choco bars. You're gonna lose an extra point or two to us if they keep rising in rank.

[King_Herpes]

I think everybody needs to just calm down and eat some fruit or something.

I see you found a new approach to farming-- better watch out..... 2 of those 3 cooks that you joined with just got promoted to choco bars. You're gonna lose an extra point or two to us if they keep rising in rank.

I'm no longer concerned about points Scooter(1K up on the closest contender), more enthralled with raising my relative rank at the moment on certain maps that I'm on the cusp of Equalitarian on so I can retire them. All I need to do is play a team 80% of my teams overall score. You just happened to pick one of those maps old friend. Have an orange or something, it will sooth your mood.

[azezzo]

farming is now illegal on CC and has been since the new year. so, any members you find guilty of farming should be reported in C&A, not within this thread. why put up a list if you have proof of farming? why not turn them in and get some CC Justice? a thread is counter-productive to solving the problem, don't you think?-0

how is the thread counterproductive to stopping farmers, owen?

[owenshooter]

how is the thread counterproductive to stopping farmers, owen?

did you not read what you quoted?

farming is now illegal on CC and has been since the new year. so, any members you find guilty of farming should be reported in C&A, not within this thread. why put up a list if you have proof of farming? why not turn them in and get some CC Justice? a thread is counter-productive to solving the problem, don't you think?-0

and again, a member was already falsely accused of farming in this thread by a member!!! if someone is farming, take your evidence to the C&A forum. how is that so difficult to understand? you apparently aren't reading this thread. scroll up to my last response, it is all spelled out there... oh, you don't have the time.. ok, i'll just pm it to you.-0

p.s.-no way you are going to be allowed to start an open thread witch hunt in which you name members as farmers without them being formally busted by CC... no way. you can't even start a thread about why people are on your foe list!! again, if you have proof, go to C&A, don't run to Home Depot for a tank of propane...

[hwhrhett]

how is the thread counterproductive to stopping farmers, owen?

did you not read what you quoted?

farming is now illegal on CC and has been since the new year. so, any members you find guilty of farming should be reported in C&A, not within this thread. why put up a list if you have proof of farming? why not turn them in and get some CC Justice? a thread is counter-productive to solving the problem, don't you think?-0

and again, a member was already falsely accused of farming in this thread by a member!!! if someone is farming, take your evidence to the C&A forum. how is that so difficult to understand? you apparently aren't reading this thread. scroll up to my last response, it is all spelled out there... oh, you don't have the time.. ok, i'll just pm it to you.-0

p.s.-no way you are going to be allowed to start an open thread witch hunt in which you name members as farmers without them being formally busted by CC... no way. you can't even start a thread about why people are on your foe list!! again, if you have proof, go to C&A, don't run to Home Depot for a tank of propane...

i dont think the two forums are mutually exclusive owen and this thread would be dead if you didnt keep being so god damn helpful

[owenshooter]

i dont think the two forums are mutually exclusive owen and this thread would be dead if you didnt keep being so god damn helpful

please start making a list within the first post of this thread, so my point can be further proven. you can not simply start throwing peoples names onto a list like this, without it being locked down, quickly. again, one person was already falsely accused in this thread, one too many in my book. and the possibility of users falsely accusing other members with little to no evidence is a very real possibility. as i stated before, you do not have the proper tools to effectively attempt to be the police, judge and jury. more than one mistake will be made. and as far as my being so "god damn helpful", it is only because personal attacks and flames were levied against me, for no other reason than my disagreeing with this his horrendous idea. massive failure, horrible idea. take any evidence of farming that you have to the C&A where they will be dealt with. again, you can't so much as start a community wide thread on who should be on your FOE LIST and why. what makes you think you are going to be able to openly accuse people of something of this magnitude?-0

[hwhrhett]

i dont think the two forums are mutually exclusive owen and this thread would be dead if you didnt keep being so god damn helpful

please start making a list within the first post of this thread, so my point can be further proven. you can not simply start throwing peoples names onto a list like this, without it being locked down, quickly. again, one person was already falsely accused in this thread, one too many in my book. and the possibility of users falsely accusing other members with little to no evidence is a very real possibility. as i stated before, you do not have the proper tools to effectively attempt to be the police, judge and jury. more than one mistake will be made. and as far as my being so "god damn helpful", it is only because personal attacks and flames were levied against me, for no other reason than my disagreeing with this his horrendous idea. massive failure, horrible idea. take any evidence of farming that you have to the C&A where they will be dealt with. again, you can't so much as start a community wide thread on who should be on your FOE LIST and why. what makes you think you are going to be able to openly accuse people of something of this magnitude?-0

im actually against the list. i think i said that a few times... just like i strongly opposed the previous lists to catalogue mutlis, deadbeats, etc...

[Woodruff]

I think everybody needs to just calm down and eat some fruit or something.

I see you found a new approach to farming-- better watch out..... 2 of those 3 cooks that you joined with just got promoted to choco bars. You're gonna lose an extra point or two to us if they keep rising in rank.

Butter-bars, isn't it?

[Georgerx7di]

I think everybody needs to just calm down and eat some fruit or something.

I see you found a new approach to farming-- better watch out..... 2 of those 3 cooks that you joined with just got promoted to choco bars. You're gonna lose an extra point or two to us if they keep rising in rank.

Butter-bars, isn't it?

Nah man, those bars are solid gold. To show excellence in loosing less than 100 points since joining.

[Rocketry]

I think everybody needs to just calm down and eat some fruit or something.

You know - I actually agree with you for once.

Rocket.

[alster]

I think everybody needs to just calm down and eat some fruit or something.

Herp.

This is the way to do it.