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Postby AK_iceman on Wed May 23, 2007 5:40 pm

Anyway... your identity will be revealed anyway when you lose or win the contest, and archery skill really doesn't matter in the long run. I was just trying to save some time and find out who was all in the tournament before it's over.
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Postby got tonkaed on Wed May 23, 2007 5:41 pm

As far as i can tell that is not necesarily true...Aimless revelaed IGS because he unmasked, i do believe that the masks are there so that if an individual doesnt want to unmask, they dont have to.
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Postby got tonkaed on Wed May 23, 2007 5:42 pm

Admittedly id be interested in who the archers are, but im not sure that its that relevant or helpful even if we just know who they are, without revelaing anything else.
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Postby AK_iceman on Wed May 23, 2007 5:49 pm

got tonkaed wrote:Admittedly id be interested in who the archers are, but im not sure that its that relevant or helpful even if we just know who they are, without revelaing anything else.

I'd bet that 1 out of the 6 is Robin. We have a better chance of finding him if we can narrow the search from 19 to 6. Plus, maybe we can eliminate some of the contestants based on voting records, or cop investigations. If you honestly don't think it will be helpful to know who the contestants are, then you probably have something to hide.
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Postby got tonkaed on Wed May 23, 2007 5:52 pm

your rationale for the first part is why i kind of agree with you on part one....

but the idea of large roleclaims, especially in a game with changes such as aimless has suggested, i dont know if thats incredibly helpful to the town as of yet. I do think knowing the archers, especially if they dont have to give out the color of their masks, might be helpful as the contest progresses, if they choose to continue to reveal themselves. I just dont feel i should be putting what could potentially be 4 other townies (if its only robin as scum) on the chopping block for a scums wishes to be granted...call me crazy.
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Postby Incandenza on Wed May 23, 2007 5:54 pm

AK_iceman wrote:
got tonkaed wrote:Admittedly id be interested in who the archers are, but im not sure that its that relevant or helpful even if we just know who they are, without revelaing anything else.

I'd bet that 1 out of the 6 is Robin. We have a better chance of finding him if we can narrow the search from 19 to 6. Plus, maybe we can eliminate some of the contestants based on voting records, or cop investigations. If you honestly don't think it will be helpful to know who the contestants are, then you probably have something to hide.


True, but as always that 'something to hide' could be useful to us. Besides, it's not necessarily 19, at least as far as speculation goes, since several people have already said that they don't have archery skill (selin being one of them, which is why the key word there is speculation). Altho, as said before, I would imagine that none of the peasants have archery skill. Plus there's the fact that our most egregious submariners may not be playing...
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Postby got tonkaed on Wed May 23, 2007 5:57 pm

Incandenza wrote:True, but as always that 'something to hide' could be useful to us. Besides, it's not necessarily 19, at least as far as speculation goes, since several people have already said that they don't have archery skill (selin being one of them, which is why the key word there is speculation). Altho, as said before, I would imagine that none of the peasants have archery skill. Plus there's the fact that our most egregious submariners may not be playing...


I think my heart is fairly pure in this singular instance lol. Its not that i feel i have anything to hide....rather my actions on their own could lead to the deaths of innocent useful townies, because ak had an axe to grind under the premise of finding out more about the contest, and averting our attention from some pretty good investigative work from one mr autoload.
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Postby Incandenza on Wed May 23, 2007 6:27 pm

got tonkaed wrote:
Incandenza wrote:True, but as always that 'something to hide' could be useful to us. Besides, it's not necessarily 19, at least as far as speculation goes, since several people have already said that they don't have archery skill (selin being one of them, which is why the key word there is speculation). Altho, as said before, I would imagine that none of the peasants have archery skill. Plus there's the fact that our most egregious submariners may not be playing...


I think my heart is fairly pure in this singular instance lol. Its not that i feel i have anything to hide....rather my actions on their own could lead to the deaths of innocent useful townies, because ak had an axe to grind under the premise of finding out more about the contest, and averting our attention from some pretty good investigative work from one mr autoload.


I have to agree with you on your last point, especially since auto actually went back and dug for evidence and put forth a reasonably strong case against AK, whereas AK's big reveal was 'hey, guys, you know how moz is gone on weekends?'... (and yes, I remember that AK miscalculated and thought day 2 ended on friday not thursday, but the theory itself was full of more gaping holes than a roomful of retired porn stars.... :D)

At this point, I'm content to sit back and let the archery contest unfold over the next couple of days and compile my own little list of suspects... my fear is that posting will die waaaay down over the holiday weekend, but it looks like the contest won't even be close to over by then, unless in subsequent rounds more than one person is eliminated.
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Postby dominationnation on Wed May 23, 2007 8:49 pm

since Im a pesent and have no skill at archary I would like to learn a little more abou tthis contest. What are the bennifits of purposely missing? Are they any or is it just plain stupid to do?

I probably shouldnt be asking this because I agree with got tonkaed and we should keep some information hidden but I cant resist. I want to learn more. And AK Im keeping my vote on you. You seem to be trying to distract everyone from autos work with other questions which seems to be an easy way to avoid a lynch without even needing a defence
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Postby got tonkaed on Wed May 23, 2007 9:57 pm

i cant be categorically sure, but one would assume one misses on purpose because it helps to shield their identity as a very good shooter or they dont want to continue to advance...really i think its up to the shooter to decide what is their best strategy.
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Postby Aimless on Thu May 24, 2007 12:29 am

The Archery Contest - Round Two

"There was a short break, as the list was readied for round two, but before long the targets had been moved and the contestants once again stepped up to shoot. For this round, the targets were set at one hundred paces - a difficult shot for any archer.

This time, it was the man in blue who shot first; however, despite having done well in the first round, he was unable to repeat his feat. His first two shots fell short, missing the target entirely. The last flew long, but by some miracle clipped the upper edge and hung on; the arrow sunk vertically into the top of the target.

Next came the man in gray. His performance the first round had been superlative, and he was determined to once again prove his skill. Without pausing for breath, he fired two quick arrows; both flew true and struck - a hairs-breadth outside the bullseye, one to the left, and one to the right. Seeing this, he frowned, drew upon all of his concentration, and fired again, this time striking the bullseye just off of center.

The third contestant of the round was the tiger-striped man. Not to be outdone by the man in gray, he fired all three of his shots one after the other, so quickly that the last was in the air before the first had struck. Without even watching them land, he turned and bowed to the crowd, only to be met by laughter - he had landed only one of his shots, and that one barely, striking the lower edge of the outer ring. The other two had both flown wide, and missed the target completely.

Fourth came the man in black. Business like, he lifted his bow and fired - thunk, thunk, thunk - and was met with silence. Clustered together, neatly as you please, were all three of his arrows, dead center on the bullseye.

Seeing this, the fifth man, the man in green, panicked. His composure gone, he fired wildly - and, indeed, it was a miracle that even one of his shots struck home, hitting midway down on the outer ring. The other two flew wild and missed completely.

With this, the finalists were chosen - the man in black and the man in gray. The Sheriff congratulated them both, then turned, and spoke to the crowd. They would compete once more, this time with the target set at 200 paces."

Round Two Results :
Blue - 2 miss, 1 outer ring (out of the tournament)
Gray - 2 outer ring, 1 bullseye
Orange - 2 miss, 1 outer ring (out of the tournament)
Black - 3 bullseye
Green - 2 miss, 1 outer ring (out of the tournament)

Those of you still in the tournament have 24 hours to send me your actions for round three. For round three, the target is to be placed at 200 paces.

(Mod Note : The order of shots was determined by random.org; don't read anything into it.)
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Postby AK_iceman on Thu May 24, 2007 12:32 am

Hmmm.... this just got a little more interesting. :wink:
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Postby Aimless on Thu May 24, 2007 12:48 am

The Archery Contest - Betrayal!

"The two remaining contestants took a break, while the Sheriff's men came out once again to move the targets. Or, at least, that was what they were supposed to do. Instead, with a quick signal from the Sheriff of Nottingham, they rushed the man in black, grabbing him before he could move.

'Hah!' cackled the Sheriff, having, finally, caught his prey. 'You've tricked me for the last time, Hood!' And with that, the Sheriff yanked off the mask of the man in black, revealing him for all the world. The man in black was none other than Selin!

But, no sooner had the man in black been exposed than a great cry arose from the greenwood, and peasants and soldiers alike were pelted by a great hail stones and arrows. The Merry Men were attacking, in force! That was all the distraction the man in black needed; grabbing for his bow, he struck the Sheriff a hard blow across the chest, and broke for the forest, escaping into safety."

(Mod Note : With this, the archery contest is ended; there is no winner. Day 3 will now continue as normal.)
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Postby AK_iceman on Thu May 24, 2007 12:51 am

:shock:

Ummm... that's odd....

Vote - Selin

Thats pretty damning evidence man, but I would still like to hear you're side of it.
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Postby Incandenza on Thu May 24, 2007 1:02 am

AK_iceman wrote::shock:

Ummm... that's odd....

Vote - Selin

Thats pretty damning evidence man, but I would still like to hear you're side of it.


I can't be assed to look for it, but some time ago Selin claimed to have no skill in archery.

Damn it. Now I feel like an ass for defending him.

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Two quick thoughts, since I've had a couple:
1. Could Aimless be setting him up, goading us into lynching the supposed bulletproof townie?
2. Could that daffy Turkish bastard have been playing us all along? Could he be Robin Hood, having adopted the rhyming as a clever disguise? Is it even possible that anyone is that ballsy? I hate to say it, but it would be ten thousand different kinds of bad-ass if Selin just whipped the whole rhyming thing up just to f*ck with us...

Damn it. Things are not always what they seem. And just when you accept that fact fully into your mindset, that's when things are almost guaranteed to be exactly what they seem.
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Postby AK_iceman on Thu May 24, 2007 1:09 am

Also, a HUGE FOS on hecter for being the biggest submarine poster ever in a mafia game. His last post was on page 97. :roll:

You need to start posting or I'll make sure we lynch you tomorrow!
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Postby Aimless on Thu May 24, 2007 1:18 am

AK_iceman wrote:Also, a HUGE FOS on hecter for being the biggest submarine poster ever in a mafia game. His last post was on page 97. :roll:

You need to start posting or I'll make sure we lynch you tomorrow!


I'll prod him.
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Postby Selin on Thu May 24, 2007 4:51 am

Aimless wrote:The Archery Contest - Betrayal!

"The two remaining contestants took a break, while the Sheriff's men came out once again to move the targets. Or, at least, that was what they were supposed to do. Instead, with a quick signal from the Sheriff of Nottingham, they rushed the man in black, grabbing him before he could move.

'Hah!' cackled the Sheriff, having, finally, caught his prey. 'You've tricked me for the last time, Hood!' And with that, the Sheriff yanked off the mask of the man in black, revealing him for all the world. The man in black was none other than Selin!

But, no sooner had the man in black been exposed than a great cry arose from the greenwood, and peasants and soldiers alike were pelted by a great hail stones and arrows. The Merry Men were attacking, in force! That was all the distraction the man in black needed; grabbing for his bow, he struck the Sheriff a hard blow across the chest, and broke for the forest, escaping into safety."

(Mod Note : With this, the archery contest is ended; there is no winner. Day 3 will now continue as normal.)



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Postby AK_iceman on Thu May 24, 2007 5:34 am

Nice defense Mr. Hood. 8) I'd like to see you rhyme yourself out of a lynch today.
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Postby Selin on Thu May 24, 2007 5:44 am

Unvote: moz

Vote: Aimless :evil:


Ballad to Aimless [-X

you told me that i have hard role
being minstrel in this game
because i have to speak in verse
it was ok in search of fame

it was hard from beginning on
all the town believed i'm guilty
being bulletproof on top of it
made me more suspiciously

i spent so many hours to defend
my innocence to the town
but your last scene was the highlight
even for reasons of your own

i hope for another post of you
that may support my innocence
otherwise i don't see big chance
that town will have common sense

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Postby AK_iceman on Thu May 24, 2007 5:50 am

Selin wrote:those with archery skills probably
will join contest on day three
but me with no such skill will be
entertaining you for free

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Found this little gem on Pg. 96. Yet another lie from Selin... why should we believe you that Aimless is setting you up when we have all the proof we need just from catching you in your lies!
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Postby for dummies on Thu May 24, 2007 5:59 am

yeah selin you just got caught in a huge kie. vote selin
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Postby Selin on Thu May 24, 2007 6:39 am

Incandenza wrote:
I can't be assed to look for it, but some time ago Selin claimed to have no skill in archery.

Damn it. Now I feel like an ass for defending him.

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Two quick thoughts, since I've had a couple:
1. Could Aimless be setting him up, goading us into lynching the supposed bulletproof townie?
2. Could that daffy Turkish bastard have been playing us all along? Could he be Robin Hood, having adopted the rhyming as a clever disguise? Is it even possible that anyone is that ballsy? I hate to say it, but it would be ten thousand different kinds of bad-ass if Selin just whipped the whole rhyming thing up just to f*ck with us...

Damn it. Things are not always what they seem. And just when you accept that fact fully into your mindset, that's when things are almost guaranteed to be exactly what they seem.


AK_iceman wrote:Nice defense Mr. Hood. 8) I'd like to see you rhyme yourself out of a lynch today.


AK_iceman wrote:
Selin wrote:those with archery skills probably
will join contest on day three
but me with no such skill will be
entertaining you for free

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Found this little gem on Pg. 96. Yet another lie from Selin... why should we believe you that Aimless is setting you up when we have all the proof we need just from catching you in your lies!



Ballad to the town

First of all let me state it clearly
to those of you who listens
all what i've written up to now
were all correct without lies

AK, i don't have archery skills
so i didn't participate
in the contest of archery
this seems to be my bad fate

i try also to understand
what is in here going on
i have some questions to you
all towns should try to think on

lets assume that i am robin
why should i claim i'm alan-a-dale
he is guilty in the real story
this would left me looking pale

has robin to talk in verses
like this one in the real story
since when do the minstrels have
so much skills in archery

scene of aimless make sense to me
only from the point of merry men
you all know they can't kill me
that's perfect reason for lynch then

if i had been robin hood
what should be my motive to join
in this contest of archery
i won't get a single coin

please give yourself some more time
check the story for consistency
there are many why's you will find out
most of them will catch your fancy

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Postby Colaalone on Thu May 24, 2007 6:56 am

Wow, this is the longest, most intimidating thread of mafia.
I wanted to wait til after the contest to weigh in.

So Selin was caught in a huge, blatant lie about not having achery skill. I don't see how we could let him live for that. Also I wonder if the event was triggered by someone in the game or by the mod. From the shot results (6 consecutive bullseyes) its pretty obvious the black contestant would be Hood, so maybe this was someones job to find him? Not really that important I guess. Whatever prize Selin was after (why else participate in the tournament?) he didn't get, which is a plus. VOTE: Selin
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Postby autoload on Thu May 24, 2007 7:08 am

dominationnation wrote: And AK Im keeping my vote on you. You seem to be trying to distract everyone from autos work with other questions which seems to be an easy way to avoid a lynch without even needing a defence


Exactly my thoughts.



I was going to continue making remarks as I read, but just saw the post about Selin, so I better put it in it's own post.

More to come soon as I digest the new info...
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