Skyrim Mafia Endgame: Hail Sithis! (3/18) Skyrim Wins!

[jak111]

Either way, I fail to see how there's a difference between dazza's and cowboyz's reactions. Neither of them gives a f*ck about Skyrim. What's the difference?

This sums up my argument in your own words. One can`t go after the other for the exact reason that they`re not posting much.

[pancakemix]

Either way, I fail to see how there's a difference between dazza's and cowboyz's reactions. Neither of them gives a f*ck about Skyrim. What's the difference?

This sums up my argument in your own words. One can`t go after the other for the exact reason that they`re not posting much.

They're not after each other. Cowboyz even said there were better things to talk about than dazza. You keep saying they're inactive but it does not mean what you think it means.



Nevermind the fact that you completely ignored the first half of my post.

[jak111]

I did not ignore it, there's just not much to say to it. I'd rather not be involved in a fight every D1 game I'm in so I picked out what mattered. However, you seem to be nudging more against me, so my question is. Where did I say they were at each other? Read back to where this first started. I mentioned Dazza in my posts because Cowboyz mentioned him in his, he did not state the other names so whom else should I talk about?

What you keep failing to realize, which to me is a pretty simple thing to get if you read it, is that Cowboyz called Dazza out on something that he was doing himself.

I'm not adding anything more to the above sentence because you'll lose the main message somewhere along the line.

[pancakemix]

Where did I say they were at each other?

In your previous post.

This sums up my argument in your own words. One can`t go after the other for the exact reason that they`re not posting much.

And in your next paragraph, immediately after you asked that question.

What you keep failing to realize, which to me is a pretty simple thing to get if you read it, is that Cowboyz called Dazza out on something that he was doing himself.

is that Cowboyz called Dazza out on something that he was doing himself.

Cowboyz called Dazza out

Cowboyz called Dazza out

If he called him out, they're against each other. I don't think you even know what you're arguing right now.

I mentioned Dazza in my posts because Cowboyz mentioned him in his, he did not state the other names so whom else should I talk about?

How about this?

I'm not trying to make a case on the inactives. I was basically pointing out that if we are going after people for not contributing, there would be better choices than Dazza at this point in time.

And since I said I would:
People that haven't even thrown out a joke vote as of last vote count
IB(made comment)
jrl33
crazy
kager

Nice skim.

[jak111]

Where did I say they were at each other?

In your previous post.

This sums up my argument in your own words. One can`t go after the other for the exact reason that they`re not posting much.

And in your next paragraph, immediately after you asked that question.

Either way, I fail to see how there's a difference between dazza's and cowboyz's reactions. Neither of them gives a f*ck about Skyrim. What's the difference?

This sums up my argument in your own words. One can`t go after the other for the exact reason that they`re not posting much.

Funny, because you misinterpret that. It's obvious to anyone who were paying attention that I meant Cowboyz was going after Dazza earlier in the day. But I generalize it so Dazza does not make an excuse to go after Cowboyz. But your assumptions that I said they already were fighting each other is pretty poor.

If he called him out, they're against each other. I don't think you even know what you're arguing right now.

Wrong. Cowboyz called out Dazza, Dazza has not lashed out at Cowboyz in retaliation, therefore there is no "they". Even Cowboyz is not on Dazza no more (but my case is of him calling Dazza out originally for doing something he is doing himself). I believe you are so caught up in trying to make me look bad that you don't realize you're skimming over things and making yourself look bad

How about this?

I'm not trying to make a case on the inactives. I was basically pointing out that if we are going after people for not contributing, there would be better choices than Dazza at this point in time.

And since I said I would:
People that haven't even thrown out a joke vote as of last vote count
IB(made comment)
jrl33
crazy
kager

Nice skim.

I highly agree, nice skimming PCM. The list you posted was made after I called Cowboyz on the fact that he called out Dazza on something he was doing himself. It seems you're trying to protect Cowboyz soo much that you're making poor defenses. So what is it? Are you defending Cowboyz because you know something we do not? Or are you just trying to make me look bad because you want me out of the picture?

Please, bring up more points that I can knock back down due to faulty logic and skimming I love every bit of it.

[jak111]

EBWOP

PCM has recieved a FOS

~An eye witness has seen PCM create a crime~
~1000 gold bounty on PCM added to the Jak Hold~

[Leehar]

Unvote
Interesting developments between pcm and jak. I'm not actually sure who's right just yet (beyond the he said she shad), so I'll avoid picking a side, tho I am leaning toward jak somewhat, maybe because he's made the last defense so the balls in pcm's court to rebut

[everywhere116]

I think jrl332005 needs a prod, only one who hasn't given everywhere116 a confirmation, and hasn't posted since april 23 (in this thread) and april 25th (in another thread)

Prodded him yesterday, gave him until Monday. Hasn't looked at it yet. If he doesn't come back in time, sound will take his place, as I'm sure he wanted a spot in the game.

VC incoming.

[everywhere116]

Vote Count 3

Clever: 2 (new guy, ghost)
jak: 2 (cowboyz, pancake)
new guy: 1 (dazza)
kager: 2 (LSU, nagerous)
cowboyz: 3 (edocsil, jonty, jak)
jonty: 1 (clever)
pancake: 1 (/)


With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

[pancakemix]

Before I make my response post, I'm going to actually explain why jak's basic logic is flawed.

His argument is this (He says it ad nauseum):

he {cowboyz] mentions pressuring inactives while being generally inactive himself

If you'll recall, I made a post in which I outlined how cowboyz was not inactive, going by his posts and how he's posted something every day. Here it is for the record.

April 30: Confirms
May 1: Joke votes XenHu
May 2: Joke votes himself
May 3: The "Dazza shitty role" comment
May 4: Defends himself, then starts asking about inactives.

QED, right? Jak, however, continues the discussion by redefining the word "inactive".

I don't know, it may just be me, but I count activity as reading the posts as well. But you know, that's oldschool stuff

I just wanted to make a note of how stupid and pointless this discussion is. I think I've made my point fairly clear here, I just didn't want it to get lost in the shuffle. Continuing on.

(dunno who he's kidding with "oldschool stuff", but w/e)

Also, everywhere, I unvoted cowboyz. And I say just replace that guy.

[pancakemix]

You twist words in the most unbelievable of ways. Like, poorly.

Fvck it, ill join

confirm

0_0

Two weeks of day one? Sweet Christ!

-X

VOTE XenHu for having exact same thoughts as me

Unvote Vote cowboyz for thinking people who play Skyrim are fckin tools

Unvote, Vote serious game starting by tomorrow.

Seriously guys, we need to get heading in some sort of direction sooner or later, and two weeks is not that long to figure things out.

2 weeks for D1 is beyond crazy. Unvote vote jak111 for being a noob

Unvote, Vote serious game starting by tomorrow.

Seriously guys, we need to get heading in some sort of direction sooner or later, and two weeks is not that long to figure things out.

And what direction do you propose we go in exactly? I'm not quite sure what you expect. It's Day 1. It's pretty much the only day in the game where everyone is blatantly bullshitting, because there isn't anything else to do. Killing time by talking about PC vs Console is out, clearly.

Which is a shame, because I can't think of a better way to kill two weeks. ;p

My vote stands....

Why are you quoting this now? I have decide I will play since this and I am here.

I was right though as all the talk is of what is better PC or console. I don't care so I just skimmed everything.

Hopefully soon we will play mafia.

..unless this guy keeps ghosting through the game like this. Look, I don't care if you like the discussion at hand or not. Even stopping in to say 'hey, cut the crap' would be better than what you're doing right now. When I see this, it makes me think of scum.

FOS: Dazza

Your response will determine if you get my vote. I would encourage others to consider this as well.


-X

If anything I would assume dazza has a shitty boring VT role since he wanted to quit. Don't see him jumping ship being mafia godfather.

Unvote, Vote serious game starting by tomorrow.

Seriously guys, we need to get heading in some sort of direction sooner or later, and two weeks is not that long to figure things out.

And what direction do you propose we go in exactly? I'm not quite sure what you expect. It's Day 1. It's pretty much the only day in the game where everyone is blatantly bullshitting, because there isn't anything else to do. Killing time by talking about PC vs Console is out, clearly.

Which is a shame, because I can't think of a better way to kill two weeks. ;p

My vote stands....

Why are you quoting this now? I have decide I will play since this and I am here.

I was right though as all the talk is of what is better PC or console. I don't care so I just skimmed everything.

Hopefully soon we will play mafia.

..unless this guy keeps ghosting through the game like this. Look, I don't care if you like the discussion at hand or not. Even stopping in to say 'hey, cut the crap' would be better than what you're doing right now. When I see this, it makes me think of scum.

FOS: Dazza

Your response will determine if you get my vote. I would encourage others to consider this as well.


-X

If anything I would assume dazza has a shitty boring VT role since he wanted to quit. Don't see him jumping ship being mafia godfather.

unvote vote cowboyz, it seems like he's protecting mafia GF and skimming (dazza never said he wanted to quit).

Yea I really didn't feel like going through all the PC vs xbox mod dragonfire nerd rage so I just went off what someone else quoted. Dazza did say that before we got our roles. I was just going off what Xenhu said, using that as FOS Dazza. I assumed Xenhu had common sense. I was wrong. Either way, Im sure we have more inactive than Dazza, too lazy to count em up atm but I will eventually.


Now, onto the best part, wait for it...

unvote vote cowboyz, it seems like he's protecting mafia GF and skimming (dazza never said he wanted to quit).

Can I drop out please? I wanted to play but I think this will be one of these games where everyone is talking about flavour and I get lost and bored and not have fun.

Sorry.

Who's skimming now?

Skimming does not = mafia. Just = boring day 1 nonsense. True it is better if everyone is 100% in the game and paying attention to every little detail but again, day 1

Vote Cowboyz (FIRST SERIOUS VOTE OF THE DAY) because he mentions pressuring inactives while being generally inactive himself. So this seems a bit hypocritical. He then goes on to say he's too lazy to check.. It's a 13 page game so far mate, with even LESS when you go to where it started yet.

YAY, things getting serious when I said I wanted them to ~Feels special~

Ehm, no he isn't? He jus said he didn't want to bother with the nerdtalk. I don't think it's fair to call that inactivity. By that argument, you ought to be voting dazza. Sounds to me like you're trying to justify a bandwagon vote.

Unvote Vote Jak

The same could be said for you "Justify a bandwagon vote", though what I said, whether you believe it or not, is 100% true reason. It's early on in D1 and he calls people out for inactivity when he hasn't been that active himself. So either a.) He's a hypocrite or b.) He's a hypocrite. Whether it be for inactivity or "Not wanting to bother with the nerdtalk" Dazza has said he understands nothing of it, that's why he's not bothering with the talk too much. Prove me wrong and I'll withdrawl my vote from Cowboyz.

I'm not trying to make a case on the inactives. I was basically pointing out that if we are going after people for not contributing, there would be better choices than Dazza at this point in time.

And since I said I would:
People that haven't even thrown out a joke vote as of last vote count
IB(made comment)
jrl33
crazy
kager

This is every post by cowboyz so far in this game. Point out the one in which he attacks dazza.

Wrong. Cowboyz called out Dazza, Dazza has not lashed out at Cowboyz in retaliation, therefore there is no "they". Even Cowboyz is not on Dazza no more (but my case is of him calling Dazza out originally for doing something he is doing himself). I believe you are so caught up in trying to make me look bad that you don't realize you're skimming over things and making yourself look bad

Now you're just splitting hairs. You can't have a war with only one combatant unless you're Nazi Germany. If someone's calls someone out, the defendant will defend himself. It's basic mafia logic.

On top of that, you're arguing that cowboyz was doing something he wasn't doing. I've been over this. You still haven't responded. Do I have to channel Inigo again?

I highly agree, nice skimming PCM. The list you posted was made after I called Cowboyz on the fact that he called out Dazza on something he was doing himself. It seems you're trying to protect Cowboyz soo much that you're making poor defenses. So what is it? Are you defending Cowboyz because you know something we do not? Or are you just trying to make me look bad because you want me out of the picture?

Not relevant. You made your comment after it was posted. If you knew about it why didn't you bring it up? I think whatever you say the answer can only be one of two things:

1. You were aware that this lis existed, but you intentionally ignored it so you could bring it back around and try to nail me with your "logic"(ill-conceived notion)
2. You were NOT aware that this list existed, then tried to turn the tables on me by lying so you could try to nail me with your "logic" (slightly less ill-conceived)

Either way, I think you're more interested in making an argument than coming to a conclusion. Otherwise you would have conceded the point, which would be the end of someone who is exercising logic.

Straw Man

Please, bring up more points that I can knock back down due to faulty logic and skimming I love every bit of it.

Believe me, you are the only one.

[/]

@ pancake, yeah I missed your vote, sorry. But yours an edoc's votes on cowboys were joke votes, they obviously don't stick when things get serious, why do count them towards a "bandwagon"?
by that logic you should be voting me for bandwagoning jak!

[pancakemix]

@ pancake, yeah I missed your vote, sorry. But yours an edoc's votes on cowboys were joke votes, they obviously don't stick when things get serious, why do count them towards a "bandwagon"?
by that logic you should be voting me for bandwagoning jak!

Har har.

I know sometimes when I joke vote, that player gets pressured and I'll keep my vote there for the sake of productivity. If they get close to lynch, though, I'll usually be the one to pull back and allow for a claim. So I don't see a problem with counting those votes. If jak's logic had been better I may well have done something to that effect with cowboyz. Jak's the only one I consider a bandwagoner in this case though, as the bandwagon never got off the ground.

[jak111]

This straw man you keep bringing up PCM is something that could be said about you. I started my case, and then you twist it around in your own little thoughts. Seeing as I've already explained my reasoning again and again, your arguments lose their value to me.

On top of that, you're arguing that cowboyz was doing something he wasn't doing. I've been over this. You still haven't responded. Do I have to channel Inigo again?

What have you said? I've answered pretty much everything twice.

Plus anyone who reads your post will see what I mean about your twisting. How is the list before what I called Cowboyz out for when IN HIS LIST POST he quoted me calling him out? Do you not read anything but what helps you and your case?

So, before you continue this ranting, because it gets tiresome when you can't bring up anything new that's legit (or things I've explained before). Cowboyz has a chance to get rid of my vote on him, for it's only a simple mistake that I pointed out, then you try to make it into something it is not. He simply needs to explain his thought process on the believing Xenhu's post on Dazza and not bothering to check for himself.

Any further posts from PCM regarding this issue I WILL SKIM. This is not your battle, and it is not meant to be answered by you. You doing so seems to me as though you're defending Cowboyz for no reason what so ever. If you don't like the answers I gave you PCM, too bad, there are no more. It's a simple case for D1 that could be a small error on Cowboyz part.

But here's something for you to do while we wait for Cowboyz to defend himself and not someone else. How do you count my vote as a bandwagon vote? Your only case on me is bandwagon'ing on Cowboyz, which I clearly did not do for the following reasons:
1.) I am the only serious vote on Cowboyz, the others are joke votes on him.
2.) I have a case, no matter how small it is, to be voting for Cowboyz. Hence, I had my own reasons for a vote instead of following others.
Let us see you answer my question without making anything up PCM. Because if Cowboyz defends himself well, my FOS is on you, so my vote shall be as well. So please, back up your main point of "Jak is bandwaggoning on Cowboyz" efficiently.

Also, another point. We might as well call out Ghost, you, and nagerous for being the latest votes on someone whom was already voted for, should we not?

Again, bring valid points to the table to defend yourself, and let Cowboyz bring his own defense.

[pancakemix]

Your refusal to post anything of value to anyone is telling.

See my responses to / for my case of you bandwagoning/attempting to start a bandwagon. Now my vote is staying for your bastard logic. (Case in point: You attack only my assertion that you are making a strawman argument, thereby making yet ANOTHER strawman.)

Spare me your skimming promise. I knew you'd be doing that anyway.

What have you said? I've answered pretty much everything twice.

Skimming=/=inactivity. You've ignored it twice and feigned ignorance once. Respond. Now.

[jak111]

At, so that is pointed toward me, I thought it was in general in the ways you worded it before.

Skimming does equal inactivity because they are not active enough to read it over, hence inactive. Under your logic I can come in here and post about unicorns and I won't be considered inactive? Noted for future games together then. Activity around you seems pretty easy to do

Also, I have checked your response to / again and again, in fact that's where my question about how I'm on some sort of bandwagon came from. So answer it legitly or be shunned. I'd like a legit case against me, not something you can't even support your own idea for. You say you consider me being the "only bandwagoner" When you're hitching a ride with Cowboyz vote with NO reason. I've given my reasons, you show some courtesy and do the same.

The ball is back in your court PCM. Let's see your case of me being a bandwagoner. Don't bother with anything after my vote, because obviously somehow in my vote I bandwagoned Cowboyz for no reason what so ever, eh?

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@ pancake, yeah I missed your vote, sorry. But yours an edoc's votes on cowboys were joke votes, they obviously don't stick when things get serious, why do count them towards a "bandwagon"?
by that logic you should be voting me for bandwagoning jak!

Har har.

I know sometimes when I joke vote, that player gets pressured and I'll keep my vote there for the sake of productivity. If they get close to lynch, though, I'll usually be the one to pull back and allow for a claim. So I don't see a problem with counting those votes. If jak's logic had been better I may well have done something to that effect with cowboyz. Jak's the only one I consider a bandwagoner in this case though, as the bandwagon never got off the ground.

Fair enough, I personally don't consider it a bandwagon until someone latches on to an actual case without much reason of their own, isn't it more underhanded to latch onto a bandwagon with an earlier joke vote with absolutely no reason? Still, I do that too. unvote
I absolutely don't consider what jak did a bandwagon, the game just started, and he put out a serious vote for whomever seemed the scummiest, it's not like there's going to be a lot of legit cases right off the bat, something needed to start, who was joking or not at the time shouldn't be relevant imo. I find cowboyz skimming scummy too, not quite enough to throw out a vote atm, but let's just see if anyone else is willing to throw out more than a one liner in this game.

[Iron Butterfly]

I think Jak became Mr. Serious because he likes to control and steer the flow of game conversation. He got serious because he wants others to get serious like him.

PCM took him to task.

here is something that bothers me though. Why do some people always point it out as scummy behavior if someone agrees with someones point of view? It would seem to b more of a mafia tactic to try to link two people together as mafia know who each other are. Im not pointing anyone out but it has always bothered me when folks do this in games. Its so WIFOM.

[jak111]

here is something that bothers me though. Why do some people always point it out as scummy behavior if someone agrees with someones point of view? It would seem to b more of a mafia tactic to try to link two people together as mafia know who each other are. Im not pointing anyone out but it has always bothered me when folks do this in games. Its so WIFOM.

Just wondering, what is this referring to? Like which part of the case?

[XenHu]

Dear lord, the back and forth between PCM and Jak is making my head spin....

Fastposted by xenhu, "votes started flying" where are votes "flying"? it takes freaking 10 people to lynch and there are like four people with serious votes! On different people no less! are you just trying to sound popular by mentioning pancake's imaginary bandwagon?

Um, no, it has nothing to do with popularity. Perhaps flying was not the correct word, however, at the time of writing that post, votes were going back and forth, which is what I meant to convey.


-X

[XenHu]

Wow, way to mess up the tags, me.

The post should read:

Any further posts from PCM regarding this issue I WILL SKIM.

I'm not sure if sticking your head in the sand is really the kind of attitude you want to display if you're expecting people to side with your argument. In general, the only people that agree with ignorant people are those that are ignorant themselves. Something to keep in mind.

Fastposted by xenhu, "votes started flying" where are votes "flying"? it takes freaking 10 people to lynch and there are like four people with serious votes! On different people no less! are you just trying to sound popular by mentioning pancake's imaginary bandwagon?

Um, no, it has nothing to do with popularity. Perhaps flying was not the correct word, however, at the time of writing that post, votes were going back and forth, which is what I meant to convey.


-X

[jak111]

It is not that I am ignorant. But I am tired of reading the same thing over, so unless he brings some evidence that I BW'd Cowboyz to the table, I'm not going to bother with his posts against me. For with not answering my questions, while twisting my words, and not bringing forth his complete case on me. I call that ignorance. If he's going to accuse me of something he should be courtesy enough to bring evidence to the table. If not, his posts against me are fluff that are not worth my time responding to fully.

[cowboyz]

Where did I say they were at each other?

In your previous post.

This sums up my argument in your own words. One can`t go after the other for the exact reason that they`re not posting much.

And in your next paragraph, immediately after you asked that question.

What you keep failing to realize, which to me is a pretty simple thing to get if you read it, is that Cowboyz called Dazza out on something that he was doing himself.

is that Cowboyz called Dazza out on something that he was doing himself.

Cowboyz called Dazza out

Cowboyz called Dazza out

If he called him out, they're against each other. I don't think you even know what you're arguing right now.

I mentioned Dazza in my posts because Cowboyz mentioned him in his, he did not state the other names so whom else should I talk about?

How about this?

I'm not trying to make a case on the inactives. I was basically pointing out that if we are going after people for not contributing, there would be better choices than Dazza at this point in time.

And since I said I would:
People that haven't even thrown out a joke vote as of last vote count
IB(made comment)
jrl33
crazy
kager

Nice skim.

PCM nailed it. I can barely comprehend the half wit logic jak is using. Thanks for clarifying.

I have already explained the inactivity nonsense. Can't be any more clear.
I never called Dazza out. (wtf is jak talking about?)
PCM isn't trying to protect me so much as destroy your weak ass case you made by....using simple logic.
Jak you keep mentioning that I went after Dazza. Im quite worried about your reading comprehension m8. If the posts PCM made don't clearly show you how retarded your untrue argument is, then I dont know what will help you.

Cowboyz has a chance to get rid of my vote on him, for it's only a simple mistake that I pointed out, then you try to make it into something it is not. He simply needs to explain his thought process on the believing Xenhu's post on Dazza and not bothering to check for himself.

Once again, it's pretty clear PCM just blew your case away. I already responded to my mistake as far as going off Xenhu's post and PCM quoted everything to make it as easy as possible for you to get it. Maybe you just want me to speak up for some reason and this would make you feel better? You can keep your vote on me. It just makes you look scummy when someone clearly shows your case to be super faulty and yet you continue to pursue it with no evidence whatsoever.

Also, you kept referring to me as a hypocrite for me calling out inactives and going after Dazza(didnt do either) while being inactive myself(not so much) and jump on me for skimming a small part(which I explained), 1 for 4. Yet the same time you skim yourself(me calling out Dazza, which never happened), which would make you
A. skimming hypocrite hence OMG mafia!! (using jak logic) = fail
B. retarded = probable (if we were to follow your logic, you just made a case on yourself)
C. wanna be super duper mafia hunter super leader on D1 and have everyone follow his nonsense = bad for town
D. Scummy for having someone point out every hole in your case and yet still pursue it
E. All of the above

Happy cinco de Mayo

[Iron Butterfly]

here is something that bothers me though. Why do some people always point it out as scummy behavior if someone agrees with someones point of view? It would seem to b more of a mafia tactic to try to link two people together as mafia know who each other are. Im not pointing anyone out but it has always bothered me when folks do this in games. Its so WIFOM.

Just wondering, what is this referring to? Like which part of the case?

Just an observation Jak. Your assertive that's all.

[ghostly447]

It is not that I am ignorant. But I am tired of reading the same thing over, so unless he brings some evidence that I BW'd Cowboyz to the table, I'm not going to bother with his posts against me. For with not answering my questions, while twisting my words, and not bringing forth his complete case on me. I call that ignorance. If he's going to accuse me of something he should be courtesy enough to bring evidence to the table. If not, his posts against me are fluff that are not worth my time responding to fully.

I dont like hopping on BW's, especially since I just got back, but Jak overall seems to be conveying more of a scummy case. PCM broke it down to the point where it became clear Jak had really no case. The thing that gets me the most is the Jak will now refuse to throw any sort of response at PCM because PCM cant find solid evidence...On D1...But last time I checked, a case proven completely false=....Evidence.

So with that, I will unvote if needed and vote Jak

I hope this is a good enough post. From what I could tell, there wasnt much more I could add that hasnt been said. I just got back and havent been on for about 40-46 hours, so thats all ive got for now! But I plan to get more active.