Powerless mafia, mafia win

[BuJaber]

And @Ragian, my reason for suspecting dgz: dgz was creating a full narrative regarding the two absent players who did not even post a single post and how anybody who doesn't want them dead must be scum with one of them. It narrows the focus on 5 very specific players based on nothing but a speculation.
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@Ragian I fixed the paragraph to make it more clear for you. You're reading it wrong.

[blacky365]

I really dont get it... can someone point me to comments I made on D1 that were scummy?

How can you be confused about this? The focus on you started almost immediately after you posted, when BuJ called you out for describing yourself as a rookie.

Weren't you a pretty successful mafia last game blacky?

Trying to play it off like yer a newbie .. smh

Read back and you will see i responded, not only did i respond to the newbie comment, I also said this "I get the maths idea of voting no lynch, but just not sure there is much point in general.
Obvs I’ll support the majority decision although I won’t vote until everyone has joined."
DGZ almost immediately cried FOS for saying I will wait, when a few posts earlier he posted an urgent memo urgin no one to vote until everyone joins... so when I say ok, i'll wait, he then jumps and says ah, uts cos ure waiting for ure scum buddy... makes no sense... smh!

From my perspective... very early on various ppl started saying no lynch and it is the only way to go... anyone that disagrees must be scum... anyone that even just questions this, must be scum!

You are lying. Not a single person on D1 said this. The only person that even came close to saying it is dgz, and that only happened towards the end of D1 after your conversation with him, and even then he couched it by saying that people who were opposed to the D1 no-lynch were either unintentionally or intentionally helping scum. Even if I grant you everything that you are saying about dgz (and I don't), the fact that you are casting it as somehow the entire rest of the game coming at you for the same reason is absurd and not helping your case.

To start with, I said VARIOUS ppl, not everyone. primarily it started with Pika early on day 1 and then DGZ continued.
quotes from Pika and DGZ...
Pika - "Verifying this is exceptionally simple. Why would you ever pick the former unless you're scum?... I cannot be bothered arguing this any further"
DGZ - "...And BTW. Do NOT vote no lynch if there is only one mod kill!! Important!!"
"...There is a raise in fos for those who's does not want to vote no lynch right now."
"I'll just put this out. if one of them shows up as scum. their scum buddy is blacky, strike or DDS."

From going back through the chats, DDS, Strike, Rage & myself were all saying the same thing... I was not intending to suggest the whole town is against me!

[dgz345]

DGZ almost immediately cried FOS for saying I will wait, when a few posts earlier he posted an urgent memo urgin no one to vote until everyone joins... so when I say ok, i'll wait, he then jumps and says ah, uts cos ure waiting for ure scum buddy... makes no sense... smh!

What? This makes no sense... smh....

[Ragian]

And @Ragian, my reason for suspecting dgz: dgz was creating a full narrative regarding the two absent players who did not even post a single post and how anybody who doesn't want them dead must be scum with one of them. It narrows the focus on 5 very specific players based on nothing but a speculation.
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@Ragian I fixed the paragraph to make it more clear for you. You're reading it wrong.

I'm still settling in to not sleeping. Apologies. Write as if to a minor when addressing me, please.

[dgz345]

Write as if to a minor when addressing me, please.

@Ragian bababadodo didadadi bobo bibiboboba!

[Pikanchion]

So uh, anybody other than myself or BuJaber planning to vote for somebody today? -Even build a case against somebody..?

[dgz345]

So uh, anybody other than myself or BuJaber planning to vote for somebody today? -Even build a case against somebody..?

Would like to build a case against Razor. But I don't have much to go on...

[Ragian]

You won't have anything to go on against razor because he never commits. That's why he was an easy lynch target D1 in the latest game.

I think most of you guys are suspicious except for DDS.

1. jfm10 Metsfanmax - started out debating numbers and policies - like Pika - could be an attempt at looking productive. That said, I like his focus on discussion/scumhunting rather than just getting D1 overwith. His suggestion even seems nice. (I apologise for missing it along with almost everything else from the latter part of D1.)
2. dgz345 - accused three people, one of which came up as town. Could be scum knowing one's partner was close to getting shafted wanting to make the best of it. Forcefully supported no lynch D1 due to math reasons and then says that it's even better as we have no lynch pattern to go from. That's a bit contradictory. It has me raising an eyebrow. Also wanted to lynch Razor as a joke...distancing from a scumbuddy? (See Razor.)
3. BuJaber - has been after blacky for pretending to not to be experienced, which I find is a bit hard. Sure, he prevailed in Razor's weirdo game, but even Razor has won a game as scum Wanted to lynch dgz over blacky, however. Was that because dgz put too much thought into his hunch that one of the two absentees might be scum?
4. blacky365 - seems to me to want to play this game. For that I actually like what he's trying to do even if some of the stuff is a bit over the top.
5. Ragian - has a permanent headache for the next many years.
6. TobikeraStrike Wolf - I've been agreeing with what SW has said so far. Especially when he noticed how dgz avoided addressing BuJ's concerns when replying to BuJ.
7. Skoffin - nothing...there's nothing there.
8. Pikanchion - has taken a general bitchy approach to the game as if everyone else is an idiot (which might be the case), which is not ideal in a game where we try to teach new people the ropes or whatever the motto was. The whole math thing as the only way to go is not alignment indicative. Even scum (except if I were scum) would be able to do that math and garner townie points.
9. Bernie Sanders Razorvich - hasn't said or done anything. He did the same in his first game when he was scum (except he came in as the final person to accuse me and convinced others, which was well played), but his approach to the game is not alignment indicative. He even said that "this comes down to tripping people up on what they say", but since he hasn't said anything. Ended the day immediately after the first vote on dgz (and several others had voiced concerns about dgz). Are they linked?
10. DDS (dead, night 1) (town) - totally had the feeling he was town...

So, based on this, my three top suspects are (in no particular order):
- Skoffin
- dgz
- razor

Also, I need to get this off my chest:

And @Ragian, my reason for suspecting dgz: dgz was creating a full narrative regarding the two absent players who did not even post a single post and how anybody who doesn't want them dead must be scum with one of them. It narrows the focus on 5 very specific players based on nothing but a speculation.
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@Ragian I fixed the paragraph to make it more clear for you. You're reading it wrong.

Then use a friggin' comma, so I don't have to guess. My head hurts.

[Ragian]

vote skoffin

[BuJaber]

Really Rag? A whole wallpost where you "suspect everybody" and then you vote the only person you had nothing to say about?

[strike wolf]

Rage, the idea that Razor/Bernie and DGZ would both be mafia is pretty slim when you consider that DGZ was pushing to end the day on a no lynch at a time when it would have forced Razor/Bernie to be modkilled for inactivity.

Ive mostly been interested in 4 people (arguably 5 but Mets feels more coincidentally involved) for scum reasons:

1. DGZ: Has come across aggressively. When Buj accused him day 1, he made a point of making paracraphs about the math involved in no lynching but only spent one sentence addreszing anyrhing actually written in Buj's post. Hes been acting a little calmer today. Not 100% sure what to make of that, only reason that comes to mind specifically feels a bit flimsy. Pushed No lynch early before Blacky, Raz, DDS or Mets had posted.

2. Blacky: I agree with Rage that its felt like hes trying which is why for the most part some of the weird stuff hes said has come across to me as more misguided than scummy. I will however note that other than irritating that big post he made about a subject I wont bring back up had a similar distracting feel to DGZ's day 1 post, imo. Still not my first lynch choice right now. Was against No Lynch.

3. Raz: Honestly theres not much to go on here and Im a little less inclined to vote him for that reason. Just kinda suspicious that hes barely said anything, let alone anything productive to finding his position on players and decided to end day 1 at the same time.

4. Skoffin- She voted no lynch day 1. Thats pretty much the extent of her contributiobn to this game. She hasnt said much. Hasnt raised opinions. Just said she technically agreed that Pika was right about the no lynch and later voted that way. The only positive thing I have to say about her position is that she hasnt been as distracting as she waz in Into the Deep when she was mafia but with all the weirdo roles and seemingly contradictory actions in that game, I hesitate to compare it to a stripped down game like this one. Pushed no lynxh close to hammer before Razor/Mets replaced into the game and posted.

Analysis of flips:

1. DGZ:
A. Flips scum-Skoffon seems more likely scum. Blacky seems much less likely to be scum. Razor and Mets (as similar would have been killed reasons apply to him with the no lynch/speed lynch method) appear almost certainly not scum.

B. Flips town: little bearing on Skoffins alignment. Blacky/Razor look somewhat scummier. No real bearing on Mets alignment.

2. Raz:
A. Flips scum-Blacky looks much scummier. DGZ and Skoffin appear almost certainly town.

B. Flips town-Blacky appears more townish. DGZ and Skoffin appear scummier

3. Blacky:
A. Flips scum: Raxor/Mets appear scummier. DGZ looks more townish. Skoffin looks slightly more townish.

B. Flips town: Razor/Mets appear somewhat more townish. DGZ and Skoffin appear svummier.

4. Skoffin:
A. Flips scum: Blacky seems less likely to be scum. Raz/Mets appear very townish. DGZ appears scummier.

B. Flips town: Blacky and by extension Raz seem scummier. Mets seems slightly scummier. No direct bearing on DGZ's alignment.

From a pure analytical standpoint of their flips, Raz seems like the one who would give the clearest indication of who might be scum and Who town between Blacky, Skoffin and DGZ but too little has been said to really make any of them completely definitely scum regardless of flip and I have bad vibes from Skoffin and DGZ so im hesitant to vote on a purely analytical basis for their flips.

Other players: Mets and Pika appear town to me for differing reasons. Mets seemed to be arguing a platform from a genuine angle and matched some of my concerns about no lynching. Pikas play seems similar to the last game where he was vanilla town. Buj seems active to me but has yet to do anything that screams town or scum to me. Rage seems distracted and said some misinformed things but has also been busy and distravted so that seems valid. Have also agreed on a few things hes said. i lean mostly neutral on those two but if pushed to say a position maybe slightly town on Buj and slightly scummy on Rage.

[dgz345]

@strike

Why am I so connected to skoffin in your post?


And yes I remember ignoring someone's accusations against me D1

I think it was connect to me and blacky or no lynch. I was so tired of D1 so in the end I said I would not post anything else D1 I was just so annoyed.

I agree that I've might had an aggressive D1 but in my mind it's an aggressive town play.

[Pikanchion]

I agree that I've might had an aggressive D1 but in my mind it's an aggressive town play.

:thinking:

[strike wolf]

Blacky and Raz are connected based on your own logic day 1. If Raz is scum, it gives credence to Blacky being ahainst no lynch as a sign that he was protecting one (Raz) of them from being killed off. Vice versa Raz looks more suspicious if Blacky flips scum.

You and Skoffin is more because if one of you flips scum than Raz and Mets are almost certainly town and the people pushing for a scenario where they get mod killed look more suspicious. In particular, you because you were pushing aggressively and Skoffin because of how she jumped on. Its less of a direct connection but thats it.

[Ragian]

Really Rag? A whole wallpost where you "suspect everybody" and then you vote the only person you had nothing to say about?

So you agree that I'm voting for someone I suspect. Good. Now, take off the teenage trousers and put on your big boy pants if you want to comment on what took me forever between shit nappies and formula. (Honestly, how do you handle twins, dgz?)

[dgz345]

@strike I see what you mean. Wouldn't pika be in that group aswell?

@Ragian you are complaining about 1 kid??

Now don't think that 2 kids are like doubling. You don't grow extra hand with twins.

But now they are one year old so they mostly sleep the night
They sleep from 19:00 to around 06:00

But we are moving right now to a row house we bought. Sleept first night yesterday. But I'm just finish with laying the floor in one room. I have 3 more rooms to lay floor in. But University starts today XD. Thermodynamics and modern physics...

Yay!

But back to the game I want to hear more from Razor because the only things he has said made no sense.

[BuJaber]

I agree that I've might had an aggressive D1 but in my mind it's an aggressive town play.

:thinking:

It's not a lie if he believes it.

[BuJaber]

Really Rag? A whole wallpost where you "suspect everybody" and then you vote the only person you had nothing to say about?

So you agree that I'm voting for someone I suspect. Good. Now, take off the teenage trousers and put on your big boy pants if you want to comment on what took me forever between shit nappies and formula. (Honestly, how do you handle twins, dgz?)

Can you help me write my post like a big boy? Because I don't know what you're looking for. We're all busy in real life, no disrespect but that won't fly with me. I and other people know your struggle perfectly. Don't take my words to mean I don't have any empathy, but whether it took you 10 minutes or 10 hours fact is you wrote that whole post. Yet in the end voted somebody you didn't have a case on. It makes me think the whole thing was you making stuff up and that's why you don't believe in your other cases and just picked the easiest vote.

[Ragian]

Write something constructive that I can respond to rather than, "Ohmergeerd!" If you think I'm in the wrong, explain to me why. If you think I'm scummy, vote for me. If you think something different, write that. And also, it doesn't fly with me that it doesn't fly with me

(Final remark: I'm not angry or anything (albeit a bit frustrated). I'll try to use more smilies. I often forget.)

[dgz345]

Poor Ragian not getting sleep over one kid....

[dgz345]

I'm soon willing to join a vote to pressure anyone.

I would say we let Razor sing a bit?

Vote Razorvich

[Ragian]

What do you want him to sing about?

[dgz345]

What do you want him to sing about?

Idk? Maybe how someone can live their life upside ¿umop

[dgz345]

Or maybe what "night action" he did?

His scum list? Why he ended D1 without saying anything before.

[Ragian]

Fair. I'll join that choir. You don't want Skoffin to do the same?