Pick your own Mystery Mafia Endgame:Whats your Function?

[ptlowe]

Strike Bosa is a girl FYI

[strike wolf]

Noted. I'll try to remember for future posts. Thanks for correcting me.

[ptlowe]

And your case om Tim Woodberry is what again?

IB, you remind me of me a lot.. You don't write a lot, just ask questions.
Make a case if you can... posting questions without giving some input makes you scum mate....

I find this post hilarious.

good catch...he basically just called himself scum

[TimWoodbury]

im thinking virus was just picking at straws to see if him possably looking my way would sticck... virus you have anything at all of a case on me?

[Streaker]

After looking through the last few days posts. I feel like the parties looking like scum are streaker for my previous claim. Strike Wolf. I think wing made a very strong case on him and I agree. If wing is wrong we may need to look at him.

I am very suspicious of Bos. She is playing completely different from last game. Other than that people look town. Tim is his usual self. I dont like mitch soo silent. That doesn't seem legitimate. Ive played a few games with end and he appears town to me.

unvote vote strike

I underlined the parts that needs attention. So you jump on the wolf wagon started by wing (agreed, with a strong case), but right after saying that it is a strong case AND agreeing with it (and thus justifiying it), you are already preparing to dump wing if he is wrong about it? If you like it that much, you are equally guilty next day should strike flip town... Very very suspicious right there.

And bringing up mitch being silent? Really? Have you read the previous pages? It's all been explained... So add skimming to the list.

While I fully agree with wings posts against wolf, wolf is putting up the heat on several players. His latest case against dakky is quite good. Got to love the part where dakky is so opposed to a No Lynch scenario, but is making 0 effort in persuing a lynch before deadline. He remains calm. Not a town feeling at all. Not to mention his lol post where is basicly calls himself scum. Also disliking his unvote of strike, that was meaningless.

I did a full reread and he is really laying low, avoiding conversation, really getting the feeling he is simply waiting.

If I had to choose between endgame and Strike, I'd go for Strike rather than end.
Strike is getting quite defensive last few posts, which can be common for mafia, and as it is always better to have a lynch than a no lynch D1, I will

unvote ptlowe (who is still my first choice due to his joke vote about mitch being a drug lord)

vote Strike Wolf

A joke vote on ptlowe was there for most of the game so far (keeping a joke vote this long, with all that happened). A non-comment about ptlowe still being first choice?
As I agree with strike on this, but remain uncertain about strike, I believe we will get most information by lynching dakky at this point (information about strike and ptlowe, most importantly).

Unvote, vote dakky

I will retract my statements on Marashu, for now, after rereading I might have been a little too quick there. Especially his latest post looked town to me.

So at this stage my 2 top scum suspects are dakky and ptlowe. If town then strike more likely scum, and vice versa based on the interaction between them.

[virus90]

@ IB and Tim
i think i stated it 2 maybe 3 times in my last post. i wanted him to get active. Just and only that. his last post before that was 3 days before that i guess. and he was here within the hour of me voting him. so it got that job done, or its just coincidence but either works for me.
unvote

[Streaker]

@ IB and Tim
i think i stated it 2 maybe 3 times in my last post. i wanted him to get active. Just and only that. his last post before that was 3 days before that i guess. and he was here within the hour of me voting him. so it got that job done, or its just coincidence but either works for me.
unvote

It's important you out your opinion on strike, dakky, wing, and myself. There's a couple pages worth of very good D1 stuff. Now that you have pushed your inactive, please move to these matters.

[bosaardbeitje]

bosaardbeitje is holding back a LOT compared to my F11 game, if I am to die soon this one might be an interesting target for night specialists...

Correct. Sure you must have also noticed how my jibber jabber in that game aided scum in their flawless victory? And how incredibly inaccurate my reads were? That's why I am holding back, trying to improve my gameplay.

Now mentions bosaardbeitje for withoilding a bit, im not in the F11 game described but i can understand the view on bosaardbeitje so fair enough in my opinion. so town read for now.

I am very suspicious of Bos. She is playing completely different from last game. Other than that people look town.

I may or may not make comments about Bosaa at some point tomorrow. I thought I had something on him but I realized I had gotten a couple of his posts mixed up with something that Marashu had actually said. So I need to go back and reread him again in context before I can say more definitively. He has jumped a couple wagons but there has been some content in between two. THe earlier case seems to have been in part based on a misunderstanding about which vote he was talking about.

Now this is just brilliant. Streaker AGAIN throws out some random accusation and you are all seriously considering this? Is it really plausable that he figured out my meta based on 1 semi-open beginners game? I am suspicious of everyone who deems this likely and is blindly following up on this.

You want me to talk more? Fine! I'll bite!

Town reads:
- Wing because I don't see why a mafia Wing would bring this much clarity to the night scene
- Aage because of the valuable analysis concerning the assumption that the PR and Mitch (now Wing) are not likely to be scum together
- Marashu because he seems to take all pro's and con's into consideration and because he was focussed on the deadline and requested an extension
- Iron because of building the first case and the other content rich postings
- Tim because of his balanced postings. Seems like he's more careful than in the previous game, which totally makes sense after the feedback he got for that one.

Scum reads:
- Strike because of the inconsistencies about how to deal with Mitch
- Streaker because he's only throwing around random accusations and town reads

Question marks:
- Endgame and Dakky because both of them assumed that the PR is most likely scum. Endgame has come around but Dakky still doesn't get it. Dakky hasn't provided anything of substance yet. Does this make them more likely scum? or more likely town? If the PR turns out to be scum than I think they are off the hook for their wrongful assumptions, because why would they draw attention to their scumbuddy PR? This doesn't mean that I think Dakky is automatically town when the PR is scum, because he has done some other weird stuff as well.
- Madmitch of course. If we take the night scene literally then he is Town, but why would the mod give away someone's alignment in a Night Scene?
- Virus. Just not sure yet. Balanced postings, but need more.
- Ptlowe. Also nut sure. Not enough to go on yet.
- Hotshot. Same. Did withdraw the joke vote on End but I need more before I can make up my mind.

[Streaker]

Bos, I'll ignore the fact you call my cases 'random' (which I consider as an insult), but talk about a blowup for the VERY small remark I made about you.

[bosaardbeitje]

First I am suspicious because I am holding back, now I am suspicious because I 'blowup', make up your mind, it can't be both.

[virus90]

@ IB and Tim
i think i stated it 2 maybe 3 times in my last post. i wanted him to get active. Just and only that. his last post before that was 3 days before that i guess. and he was here within the hour of me voting him. so it got that job done, or its just coincidence but either works for me.
unvote

It's important you out your opinion on strike, dakky, wing, and myself. There's a couple pages worth of very good D1 stuff. Now that you have pushed your inactive, please move to these matters.

seriously does no one read what i say? go back to previous page and read before you say something like this? i didnt gave opinion on dakky jet that started moving after my post but the others are all there. wing isnt either by the way but i dont see him as lynch candidate for today.

[Streaker]

First I am suspicious because I am holding back, now I am suspicious because I 'blowup', make up your mind, it can't be both.

Didn't mention you are suspicious, I said that was a big blowup that is based (according to you) on a relatively small remark. I posted a single sentence on you, while I've dedicated entire posts to a case on somebody yet you feel attacked by it. You are also criticizing my play (random accusations), so you clearly have not read my actual cases.

Instead of going crazy over what I said about you, get into the discussion we are having about dakky. I want as many people looking into him as quick as possible because I'd like to see him lynched today.

Though your thoughts on everyon are much appreciated.

fp'd by virus.

[bosaardbeitje]

Yeah, you planted that little remark nicely for others to pick up on...

Let me see, you read Virus as town, you voted Mitch, you voted Engame, you accused Marashu and you voted Dakky.

Who says I am not keeping track?

I already posted my thoughts on Dakky, not sure what to make of it.

[Streaker]

@ IB and Tim
i think i stated it 2 maybe 3 times in my last post. i wanted him to get active. Just and only that. his last post before that was 3 days before that i guess. and he was here within the hour of me voting him. so it got that job done, or its just coincidence but either works for me.
unvote

It's important you out your opinion on strike, dakky, wing, and myself. There's a couple pages worth of very good D1 stuff. Now that you have pushed your inactive, please move to these matters.

seriously does no one read what i say? go back to previous page and read before you say something like this? i didnt gave opinion on dakky jet that started moving after my post but the others are all there. wing isnt either by the way but i dont see him as lynch candidate for today.

Virus, as you are my main town read, I consider your opinions very important.
What I mean is that I would like to know your opinion on the interactions that are happening, a lot of new posts were made concerning all players listed, and I asked your thoughts since you had not yet posted with the new developments. Probably should have been clearer about this, but still.

It's not because you posted something a while ago, that I can't ask for your input anymore.

fp'd by bosaardbeitje

[Streaker]

Yeah, you planted that little remark nicely for others to pick up on...

Let me see, you read Virus as town, you voted Mitch, you voted Engame, you accused Marashu and you voted Dakky.

Who says I am not keeping track?

I already posted my thoughts on Dakky, not sure what to make of it.

I call out what I see. Could be usefull later on. Also didn't mention you don't keep track. STOP TWISTING MY WORDS.

Good that you are keeping tabs. Now let's see how many of this is random:

-virus town read: based on meta. Up to now, sticking by my read.
-vote on Mitch to determine he was PR'd or not. We got the information and I unvoted (as did a few others).
-Endgame bandwagon. Close to deadline in need of a lynch. Solid case presented on him, it was worthy to follow (as did a few others).
-I accused Mars and gave my reasoning for it. You consider that random? Sure.
-Now my vote on Dakky is random, too? Did I not provide enough explanation and reasoning behind it?

My conclusion:

I don't think 'random' means what you think it means.

Oh yeah, you provided exactly 0 feedback on either strike's or mine post regarding dakky. So yeah.

[bosaardbeitje]

You know what, I am in a good mood, so I'll bite again. Here's what I have on Dakky, I am not trusting it at all, but I am not ready to abandon the case on Strike.

Concludes immediately after N0 that Mitch must be post restricted, and Wing was right??? about what??? / Thinks Mitch has a full restriction / Mentions again that he was right about Mitch having a post restriction after the N0 scene / Says he would use random.org / Points out Mitch can be town as well / Says Endgame can be town as well / Doesn't defend himself / Once again says that mafia would probably restrict a mafia Mitch and still doesn't see why that is a wrong assumption / Says IB needs to step up???

[aage]

For those wondering where I've been, I've been distracted by a personal situation since Friday. Glad to see that a deadline extension was requested, we need it.

First of all unvote Endgame, I'm not satisfied with his softclaim but the wagon on him is dead anyway.


Wing's reveal is big. It's amusing how few people are actually asking Wing about his PR or what he knows, after they've been all over Mitch, pressuring him blindly and making claims about him being post restricted or not. Wing waiting with this information until the right moment is good, because people's assumptions about Mitch's PR before and after the mod note make all the difference in the world. Dakky's and Endgame's assumptions about the PR and their relation to Mitch have been between at best odd, to at worst downright scummy. But we knew this already, Endgame has been under fire from IB and others, Dakky's posts have been called out. Wing is looking to fry bigger fish here with his slow-play. I hope I can give some fresh-eyed input here because if Wing is right, this was a great play on his part.


Strike.
You were confronted by Wing early in the game about stalling the day with your Mitch vote... Why did you wait to see if other people followed you on Mitch?

You've been pushing Streaker softly for the second half of the day, he was also caught in your "trap"-vote on Mitch. Almost all of your interaction is with Streaker, even though Wing was the one pushing you, but you never vote him. I feel I should quote you here, as Wing claims that your play is very similar to Streaker:

To address one thing. Wing keeps relating my play to my accusations of Streaker. I find this comparison unfair. For one thing I am much more handsome than Streaker. 2. I have not randomly town read anyone without explanation. 3. Another part of my argument was that streaker's contribution rested in a large part in attacking his accusers. I may have acted sarcastic towards Wing but I have not attacked him. 4. As far as game mechanics talk. The only game mechanics talk I have done was to disagree with others on their game mechanics where I found it relevant and arguably with my Mad Mitch vote which I explained.

Looking back at your play, the majority of it is your accusations of Streaker.

1. no disagreements here

2. Streaker's fixation on town reading Virus has bothered me as well, I was gonna post on it.

3. You haven't attacked wing - in fact, you barely responded to Wing at all before his 'big post'.

4. Very true, you stuck to your guns with Streaker. Your posts are large indeed, but they're not accomplishing anything. You've had a huge interaction with Streaker and you have him on your scumlist... But you're voting Dakky now. You actually never voted Streaker at all, which is noteworthy imo. And don't give me the "I don't like throw my vote around" response, you've done so plenty.

On page 8 you directed one paragraph at Wing, but as Wing already pointed out, it's not completely truthful.

I also got the serious conversation going early on. You're welcome. I also called out Aage and anyone else who cared to a chance to respond if my post was really that surprising. I am not stalling anything. I wanted to see who would jump on the Madmitch bandwagon. It doesn't surprise me that Streaker was one of them. I am also noting that he added nothing to the reasoning other than a vote to the tally.

The first claim is very bold. I strongly believe it's the scene that got the serious conversation rolling; Strike's first serious post was weird (yes, I still think so), half of the players hadn't checked in for the day yet and he posts his 'vote' on the people who are waiting for night action input. The result is nothing - his vote is on the bottom of page 4, but there is nothing serious on page 5. There is the small interaction between Bosaard and me, I believe Bosaard tried to mimic Strike in her suggestion of arbitrary voting, but that just becomes a debate over semantics. The scene is what gets the serious discussions rolling, not Strike's 'vote'.
But on the topic of not stalling anything. I refer back to my initial question. You voted Mitch fairly early, apparently just to see who would follow. Streaker follows, you explicitly say this here. So that would make him scummy, right? Why else set the trap. You never close your trap, though. In the post where I got this quote, you actually address Streaker's post with his vote on Mitch, but you don't call him out for it. You claim you weren't stalling, that your vote on Mitch was bait, but you hadn't actually done anything meaningful, and you didn't catch the guy who sprung your trap. Meanwhile the game has moved on, and you don't confront Streaker with his vote on Mitch. So what's the deal here - was your vote on Mitch part of your strategy after all? You caught Streaker in this red-handed, and you have been pushing Streaker all day. Why have you been skirting around this one for ages? And why do you let go of him so soon? My understanding from Wing's argument of "big posts, no words" is that you discuss a shitload of stuff (mainly in regards to Streaker) but don't actually do anything with it. And that argument makes sense, I think.


Your latest push on Dakky, I would have followed it if you came with it sooner because Dakky has been on the radar for a while now. His agreement with Endgame seems to be based in their mutual belief about the relation between roles and alignment, Dakky posted on one point that he didn't see the logical error Endgame was making. That could easily explain his defence of Endgame, as it is then based on (false) logic. It does bother me that you're slowplaying all your cases as well. I mentioned that Wing has done this, and I can understand why he did it because he had information specific to the case. I don't understand why you're doing it though. You've been setting up a vote on Dakky for quite a while now, and now that you're at L-2 you finally cast it.

And I suppose this is beyond your control and I can't hold you accountable for it, but your initial main suspect Streaker has now followed you with a vote on Dakky too.





For the record, I think people should reread this post, Strike fucked up some quote tagging. I fixed it in the spoiler underneath, makes a lot more sense.

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[Streaker]

aage, I am going to be short in my reply to your big post here.

Lynching dakky would give a lot of information to us. You say you would be on a dakky case if it came sooner.
It's here now, and it's town's best bet for lynching today.

There is enough in dakky's play to lynch him on a D1. I strongly believe town should revisit the matter of strike on D2.

[aage]

aage, I am going to be short in my reply to your big post here.

Lynching dakky would give a lot of information to us. You say you would be on a dakky case if it came sooner.
It's here now, and it's town's best bet for lynching today.

There is enough in dakky's play to lynch him on a D1. I strongly believe town should revisit the matter of strike on D2.

Why toss the entire Strike case to day 2 and lynch Dakky now? Because Strike said so? In his latest posts he's going full offensive on Dakky, and he'd thrown a vote on endgame as well seemingly to save his own skin. But in his posts I see a transition from main scum Streaker toward main scum Dakky for reasons I don't see. Dakky's scumminess didn't start today. The fact that Strike waits with a push on him for so long makes me suspect Strike more.

Also, what information does a Dakky lynch give us that we do not already have?

[Streaker]

aage, I am going to be short in my reply to your big post here.

Lynching dakky would give a lot of information to us. You say you would be on a dakky case if it came sooner.
It's here now, and it's town's best bet for lynching today.

There is enough in dakky's play to lynch him on a D1. I strongly believe town should revisit the matter of strike on D2.

Why toss the entire Strike case to day 2 and lynch Dakky now? Because Strike said so? In his latest posts he's going full offensive on Dakky, and he'd thrown a vote on endgame as well seemingly to save his own skin. But in his posts I see a transition from main scum Streaker toward main scum Dakky for reasons I don't see. Dakky's scumminess didn't start today. The fact that Strike waits with a push on him for so long makes me suspect Strike more.

Also, what information does a Dakky lynch give us that we do not already have?

I strongly believe dakky to be scum. It's where strike and me meet in thoughts. Lynching dakky would give allignment information. This is also related to what I posted about ptlowe.

With little time to go, aage, would you choose lynching dakky or strike or vice versa?

[aage]

I thought we had 48 hours to go, there's still time to respond and act.

But you're not answering my question - what alignment information does lynching Dakky give us? On which players? You refer to your post at Ptlowe, in that post you draw a line between Dakky and Pt based on a joke vote... So if dakky=scum, then pt=scum, just because of that tiny interaction? Sounds improbable.

Right now I'd still choose lynching Strike, both due to the strong case but also the implications it has for alignment of Wing, IB, Mitch and you actually, but I put forward some thoughts and I'd like Strike to respond to them. You two can meet in thoughts or in back alleys for all I care, but I prefer an answer from Strike.

For the record, I think if we're considering both Strike and Dakky, lynching you right now would give us an even better set of reads for day 2. Agreeing with Strike on Dakky does not make the case against him go away, and I am confused by the fact that you are so blindsided right now.

[Streaker]

I thought we had 48 hours to go, there's still time to respond and act.

But you're not answering my question - what alignment information does lynching Dakky give us? On which players? You refer to your post at Ptlowe, in that post you draw a line between Dakky and Pt based on a joke vote... So if dakky=scum, then pt=scum, just because of that tiny interaction? Sounds improbable.

Right now I'd still choose lynching Strike, both due to the strong case but also the implications it has for alignment of Wing, IB, Mitch and you actually, but I put forward some thoughts and I'd like Strike to respond to them. You two can meet in thoughts or in back alleys for all I care, but I prefer an answer from Strike.

For the record, I think if we're considering both Strike and Dakky, lynching you right now would give us an even better set of reads for day 2. Agreeing with Strike on Dakky does not make the case against him go away, and I am confused by the fact that you are so blindsided right now.

Not blindsided, and I would change vote to strike if dakky is not getting lynched.
Btw, if you really think lynching me gives you the best information, go right ahead. I would not prefer it, obviously, but right now I am distracting town way too much.

[aage]

I thought we had 48 hours to go, there's still time to respond and act.

But you're not answering my question - what alignment information does lynching Dakky give us? On which players? You refer to your post at Ptlowe, in that post you draw a line between Dakky and Pt based on a joke vote... So if dakky=scum, then pt=scum, just because of that tiny interaction? Sounds improbable.

Right now I'd still choose lynching Strike, both due to the strong case but also the implications it has for alignment of Wing, IB, Mitch and you actually, but I put forward some thoughts and I'd like Strike to respond to them. You two can meet in thoughts or in back alleys for all I care, but I prefer an answer from Strike.

For the record, I think if we're considering both Strike and Dakky, lynching you right now would give us an even better set of reads for day 2. Agreeing with Strike on Dakky does not make the case against him go away, and I am confused by the fact that you are so blindsided right now.

Not blindsided, and I would change vote to strike if dakky is not getting lynched.
Btw, if you really think lynching me gives you the best information, go right ahead. I would not prefer it, obviously, but right now I am distracting town way too much.

If I wanted to vote you I would have done so. It's curious how you are challenging me to do so here, is it a bluff? You're proposing that lynching you is better than lynching either Strike or Dakky, even though you already know your alignment and therefore the implications. Interesting plays all around, I'll definitely come back to this on day 2.

[Streaker]

Before this gets out of hand, like my virus read, I am not challenging anyone to vote me. I do NOT want to be lynched. It is detrimental to town. I meant only that if you strongly feel a lot of information would be gained from my death, I would not be opposed to it.

[aage]

ebwop - and you still haven't answered how a Dakky lynch will help us beyond the unlikely read on Pt. Are you so sure of him flipping scum? And, like Strike: if so, why wait so damn long to vote him? It seems more like a desperation wagon with no advantages that I can see.

Fp'd - fine, let's not let it get out of hand, but don't play the martyr here, I'm not voting you.