INTO THE DEEP (COMPLETE - Mafia Win !!)

[jfm10]

Are/were you able to target yourself?

I didn't protect skoffin last night would be my best answer.

What kind of answer is that?

This back and forth between dakky and jfm is so confusing from jfm's side to me. He didn't respond to strike wolf. I have to agree with dakky here.

Dakky and jfm, both protected at night, so they are potential lynches, no way to investigate them at night, unless someone has a day action. Some games do have day actions, so now I'm wondering if this one does. How would we go about figuring that out?

anyone can investigate me at night

[ZaBeast]

So far i see it that dakky,zabeast and skoffinn are the scum.

With arguments this good denying it would be useless

[Sirius Kase]

Thanks for posting that wiki, it's got me thinking.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _(modifier)

We have two people that can't be touched at night, is this a possibility? Maybe some of you from DBD have some experience with day action.

So far i see it that dakky,zabeast and skoffinn are the scum.

With arguments this good denying it would be useless

I tend to agree. I don't see a case against ZaBeast. My list is dakky, jfm10, and maybe skoffinn, her posts were all short, then when she had to, she came out with a long one. But, dakky and jfm are in a different catagory, can't be investigated or killed at night. All they can contribute is a vote.

[ZaBeast]

In jfm's case it's clear he can be targeted, even if he protected himself. Being imune to killing actions does not equate to being untarget-able. In dakky's case it might depend on what his actual role is. If he's a commuter ("out of town" and therefore untarget-able on days that fit a specific condition), he might be reached some nights for instance. A jailed individual can't be reached, but hopefully dakky isn't auto-jailing himself for the rest of the game if he's a jailor

jfm10 & strike wolf, what are the names of your respective roles (the thing listed under Title)?

Seraph Knight...I have never claimed to be a doctor.

Why did it seem like a good idea to not clear it up D1 when everybody thought you claimed doc?
For those wondering, here's the claimed role seraph knight. I'm not sold on that backtracking atm.

You haven't answered btw. Was an actual question, not a rethorical one

Also I was thinking about it and I don't see why tobi would have a healer mentioned in his role pm given the role he claimed. Am I missing something?

[jfm10]

Apologies all - a storm has rolled through my area and my house is a bit fucked so all my attention has been towards that.

So you don't find Dakky scummy Skoffi n?

Honestly, why this condemnation of Blacky and not Sirius who's changed his more times than I can remember?

It's not unusual for dakky to play like a menace as town.

I initially went for SirusFace - but if I recall correctly someone said it was his first game, whereas blacky was experienced. There is a difference between behaviour from new players versus ones that should know better. But since then it has been stated that blacky is actually not that experienced, so I will come back to that one.

Blacky wasn't being discussed for a lynch, this poisoning seems random.
'

Not so random. I think Blacky is one of the more experienced players. Therefore, if he is town (which I believe), then he would be a prime target.

Is he? Is he really?

on mobile

To make this day extra spicy I'll reveal that someone tried attacking me last night

define attacking. You mean anything that would affect you or your actions? It's probably my fault

Stop touching me

I am curious if it's possible that Bujaber and blacky went for food last night and the poison and silence may have been effects?

Night time BONUS:
At anytime, anyone can waive their night action and attempt to find their favorite food.
IF you find your favorite food you have a:

• 30% Chance of eating it and gaining 200 CREDITS plus one extra UNIQUE night action, to be used during the next night.
• 50% Chance of missing your prey and looking like a fool (All will know you went for it)
• 20% Chance of becoming a night kill

Success will reward you FAILURE MAY MEAN DEATH. *Can only be won once, attempted many times

If anybody attempted to find food last night and was unsuccessful, we would know about it.

—

So Tobikera suggests that several of those who of those who have yet to post are scum, and in the same post even speculates specifically about post restrictions: "perhaps there is something wrong wherein the players in blue above can no longer post?" Now, BuJaber claims to have been the target of a post restriction. Tobikera's post restriction comment looks awfully like a scum slip to me.

Pike - you are looking at the 50% part. There is still the 20% night kill part, which we do not know if it is an instant kill or a delayed kill. It specifically is worded as failure MAY mean death, potentially implying you could have a chance to undo it.

Forgetting his post restriction slip comment, I actually think this is his biggest slip

Question, based on the mod's words, does every one of us have a night action, even if it's just to try for your favorite food item?

All town have some sort of role action and all town should know this; the only people who would not know this is noob/lazy scum that did not read the OP/rules.

dakky21: did that post actually have a point to it?

Yes, that post was for you scum. You tried to kill me but you couldn't find me hence no night kill.

Mate there is a plethora of ways the night could have gone that resulted in a no night kill. Why are you like this?

To clarify, dskky is interpretting normal questions from pika that are not alignment indicative and somehow thinking they come from someone who tried to kill him??

Why and how?

Also 2 other people claim someone tried to kill them. Why would the guy who publicly warned everyone on day 1 that he is able to protect himself from incoming attacks think that someone tried to kill him? And not only that but thinks that the guy would immediately start talking to him in day 2 and 'exposing' himself like that.

How does that make any sense?

Because Dakky is terrible, and probably drunk when he said it.

I will make an actual proper post later today; but a quick clarification is that by attacked I mean someone tried to kill me.

This is surprising. The combination of circumstances wherein a person who was attacked survived and also knew that they were attacked is fairly uncommon.

I'm fucking amazing


Onto my personal theories :-

There are many possible reasons for why we have no NK
1. Doc type save -
2. Roleblock - I believe there will be a roleblocker in the game, but I don't think this is the no NK reason
3. Mafia attacked me - what I personally suspect
4. Bus driving or other action altercation - I believe there will be a role somewhere that can alter night actions, but not what happened last night
5. They went for dakky like he thinks - which would be dumb and unlikely
6 ???

As for blacky, I find it highly unlikely that any mafia would choose him for a kill. No offence but he is hardly a threat to them, and he is scummy himself. This leaves the following options
1. SK type role picked him
2. vig picked him
3. He was not picked at all, but actions were altered last night and he was affected
4. Mafia have a direct kill and a secondary, delayed killer on the team. Possible, but again - why would they pick blacky?
5. Mafia have a direct kill and a delayed kill - except maf chose not to use the delayed kill to fake it being on blacky.
6. He went for food and got that 20% chance penalty
7. ???

To summarise -

1. I think there is at least two killers, probably mafia and a SK rather than a vig - for reasons
2. I think there will be some variation of roleblockers and busdrivers in the game - everyone has a role, after cop and doc variations those are the next most likely both statistically and for this setup/theme.


Blacky and tobi are the most interesting prospects for the day.

I can't put it into words but there is something from start to finish there that says so much

[Sirius Kase]

anyone can investigate me at night

Oh, thanks, I misunderstood something. Maybe someone should do that before you get killed or lynched or something.

[BuJaber]

Okay
1. There's a lot of confusion around claims.
2. There's a lot of newbieness going around, particularly concerning claims.
3. There are a few things being said that seem just plain wrong.

To sort through the mess and distinguish between scummy comments and confused comments, and confused - scummy comments, I propose that EVERYONE WHO HAS CLAIMED SOMETHING ALREADY:

Please post everything you have already stated, (and any details you wish to add that are necessary for understanding what you are claiming), in one single post in a clear way.

I suspect we still know very little and won't be able to act on the info with much confidence, but at least we can reduce the confusion because it's just getting really distracting at this point.

I will cease to comment on claim related stuff until this happens. I really can't tell anymore who's just plain wrong, and who's just new and confused, and who's being a scummy slimeball.

[BuJaber]

If I recall correctly that means jfm, dakky, skoffin, tobikera, metsfan.. did I miss any others?

[BuJaber]

If I recall correctly that means jfm, dakky, skoffin, tobikera, metsfan.. did I miss any others?

+pershy

[BuJaber]

And who brought up the idea of a self-targetting seraph knight?
That makes no sense at all. It defeats the core essense of the role and can't be called seraph knight anymore.

[jfm10]

And who brought up the idea of a self-targetting seraph knight?
That makes no sense at all. It defeats the core essense of the role and can't be called seraph knight anymore.

It's a one time deal for target,it's why i held the title back till now.Who i would target hasn't been done yet.

[jfm10]

If I recall correctly that means jfm, dakky, skoffin, tobikera, metsfan.. did I miss any others?

My accusations against skoffin

Postby jfm10 on Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:28 am

Skoffin wrote:
Apologies all - a storm has rolled through my area and my house is a bit fucked so all my attention has been towards that.

strike wolf wrote:
So you don't find Dakky scummy Skoffi n?

Honestly, why this condemnation of Blacky and not Sirius who's changed his more times than I can remember?

It's not unusual for dakky to play like a menace as town.

I initially went for SirusFace - but if I recall correctly someone said it was his first game, whereas blacky was experienced. There is a difference between behaviour from new players versus ones that should know better. But since then it has been stated that blacky is actually not that experienced, so I will come back to that one.

TX AG 90 wrote:
Sirius Kase wrote:
Blacky wasn't being discussed for a lynch, this poisoning seems random.
'


Not so random. I think Blacky is one of the more experienced players. Therefore, if he is town (which I believe), then he would be a prime target.


Is he? Is he really?

defends dakky and setting up lynch candidates blacky and serius

ZaBeast wrote:
Skoffin wrote:
on mobile

To make this day extra spicy I'll reveal that someone tried attacking me last night

define attacking. You mean anything that would affect you or your actions? It's probably my fault


Stop touching me

playing with zabeast


dakky21 wrote:
Pikanchion wrote:
dakky21: did that post actually have a point to it?


Yes, that post was for you scum. You tried to kill me but you couldn't find me hence no night kill.


Mate there is a plethora of ways the night could have gone that resulted in a no night kill. Why are you like this?
last sentence wrote by skofin

dakky getting carried away and scoffin steps in

BuJaber wrote:
To clarify, dskky is interpretting normal questions from pika that are not alignment indicative and somehow thinking they come from someone who tried to kill him??

Why and how?

Also 2 other people claim someone tried to kill them. Why would the guy who publicly warned everyone on day 1 that he is able to protect himself from incoming attacks think that someone tried to kill him? And not only that but thinks that the guy would immediately start talking to him in day 2 and 'exposing' himself like that.

How does that make any sense?


Because Dakky is terrible, and probably drunk when he said it.

Again with the defending of dakky

Metsfanmax wrote:

Skoffin wrote:
I will make an actual proper post later today; but a quick clarification is that by attacked I mean someone tried to kill me.


This is surprising. The combination of circumstances wherein a person who was attacked survived and also knew that they were attacked is fairly uncommon.


I'm fucking amazing

thats must be it

There are many possible reasons for why we have no NK
1. Doc type save -
2. Roleblock - I believe there will be a roleblocker in the game, but I don't think this is the no NK reason
3. Mafia attacked me - what I personally suspect
4. Bus driving or other action altercation - I believe there will be a role somewhere that can alter night actions, but not what happened last night
5. They went for dakky like he thinks - which would be dumb and unlikely
6 ???chose not to attack...start with a strong list of lynchable candidates

As for blacky, I find it highly unlikely that any mafia would choose him for a kill. No offence but he is hardly a threat to them, and he is scummy himself. This leaves the following options
1. SK type role picked him
2. vig picked him i agree with this one
3. He was not picked at all, but actions were altered last night and he was affected
4. Mafia have a direct kill and a secondary, delayed killer on the team. Possible, but again - why would they pick blacky?when he is lynchable
5. Mafia have a direct kill and a delayed kill - except maf chose not to use the delayed kill to fake it being on blacky. again at blacky
6. He went for food and got that 20% chance penalty
7. ???

To summarise -

1. I think there is at least two killers, probably mafia and a SK rather than a vig - for reasons(3 or 4 mafia and 1 serial killer is more likely
2. I think there will be some variation of roleblockers and busdrivers in the game - everyone has a role, after cop and doc variations those are the next most likely both statistically and for this setup/theme. thanks sherlock


Blacky and tobi are the most interesting prospects for the day.set-ups for lynches..they have about 5 players set-up currently

Probably because he is a scum-sided knight.

VOTE JFM

We'll see if blacky dies tonight as he claimed, otherwise he's our solid choice for tomorrow.

one way or another blacky has to die

sorry for all the messiness in posting like this it's easier one sentencing individual things

[jfm10]

Start a new train I guess to see if anyone sees it.

vote Skoffin

[jfm10]

Flamingo don't live on small reefs so was this a joke that went over my head?

It's a joke.

Rage, SW is essentially claiming to be a doctor (can prevent kills) and not that he is a roleblocker (can prevent target actions). That is a counter-claim to JFM, so let's see what JFM has to say about it.

I got as much. And I even think that I wrote that in my post. But how does that relate to skoffin?

@Skoffin, why aren't you commenting on SW's post? And for the record, Blacky says that he believes mafia to have a message group independent of the game; he never said that he knew it to be true. I think you're acting well scummy.

vote Skoffin

Gotta say, I'm on the fence regarding JMF. I don't find it hard to believe that we would have two protective roles in a game this big. Especially, if there's a active/passive poisoner.

@Zabeast, are you trying to get everyone killed? You're voting JMF, you don't mind voting Tobi, and you seem to have no issue letting Blacky die. Do you think all of them are scum? That feels like a lot...

I believe you have greatly misunderstood what Strike was saying, Ragoo my man.

As I understood it:

* Strike is claiming that he picks a target, and that target will be protected from attacks (and he's claiming his role is essentially a CC to jm)
* Strike is stating for the record that he did NOT pick me N1, presumably he stated this before someone asked if he picked me due to me claiming that I survived an attack N1
* By extension of that he is theorising some possibilities, such as possibly a bus driver swapping his original target with me, as a potential explanation as to what happened.
We do not actually have anything to do with each other.

In any case, I'd appreciate it if you let Blacky explain his bizarre scumslip instead of you providing cover for him.
I'm not buying his or your reasoning for his comment.

Nobody picked you but you survived an attack?

[TX AG 90]

If I recall correctly that means jfm, dakky, skoffin, tobikera, metsfan.. did I miss any others?

Strike Wolf had a partial claim...

[Ragian]

It's a one time deal for target,it's why i held the title back till now.Who i would target hasn't been done yet.

Thank you.

(@BuJ, I recommend that you try a Tokle game in DBD at one point - you'd be amazed what roles can and can't do )

So far i see it that dakky,zabeast and skoffinn are the scum.

That might be true, and if it's true, you're helping them immensely. Only a few players will side with you if you keep this up. You need to answer questions rather than being dismissive. Whether you're scum or not, your behaviour is anti-town because it doesn't satisfy any truth-seeking motives that town has.

I had a whole motivational speech ready for you, but you seem to have picked up trying to scumhunt yourself, so I'll save that for later.

blacky and I are the only ones on dakky,scum chose no kill for the night,skoffin claims an attack,2 henchmen set-up the lynches,see if they can run the parade.

Why are you on dakky, then? I don't think scum would opt for a no kill the first night. N1 is the best night for them, I'd say, given that town doesn't really know that much.

Let me understand your accusations of Skoffin and Dakky, and partly of ZaBeast.
1) You believe that scum chose not to kill N1 (no proof, and I find it unlikely, but not unheard of)
2) Skoffin has defended dakky, therefore they must be working together (attempt at proof, but it was a bit confusing)
3) Skoffin, dakky (and ZaBeast?) are setting up others for lynches (could also be viewed as genuine town-attempts at hunting scum)

Are these your reasons for voting skoffin, jmf, or have I missed something?

FP'ed by TX.

[jfm10]

It's a one time deal for target,it's why i held the title back till now.Who i would target hasn't been done yet.

Thank you.

(@BuJ, I recommend that you try a Tokle game in DBD at one point - you'd be amazed what roles can and can't do )

So far i see it that dakky,zabeast and skoffinn are the scum.

That might be true, and if it's true, you're helping them immensely. Only a few players will side with you if you keep this up. You need to answer questions rather than being dismissive. Whether you're scum or not, your behaviour is anti-town because it doesn't satisfy any truth-seeking motives that town has.

I had a whole motivational speech ready for you, but you seem to have picked up trying to scumhunt yourself, so I'll save that for later.

blacky and I are the only ones on dakky,scum chose no kill for the night,skoffin claims an attack,2 henchmen set-up the lynches,see if they can run the parade.

Why are you on dakky, then? I don't think scum would opt for a no kill the first night. N1 is the best night for them, I'd say, given that town doesn't really know that much.

Let me understand your accusations of Skoffin and Dakky, and partly of ZaBeast.
1) You believe that scum chose not to kill N1 (no proof, and I find it unlikely, but not unheard of)
2) Skoffin has defended dakky, therefore they must be working together (attempt at proof, but it was a bit confusing)
3) Skoffin, dakky (and ZaBeast?) are setting up others for lynches (could also be viewed as genuine town-attempts at hunting scum)

Are these your reasons for voting skoffin, jmf, or have I missed something?

FP'ed by TX.

yes , yes and yes

[Skoffin]

@JMF - Nice attempt at scumhunting, but why are you only willing to put any such effort in when you are being voted? And, more importantly, why do you seemingly choose to only ever to review, and subsequently accuse, people that suspect you?

@Ragoo - Hey Mr "you didn't reply to something strike said so I am voting you!" but you did not reply to my reply to your reply for not replying to strike... do you have an opinion on that?

[jfm10]

@JMF - Nice attempt at scumhunting, but why are you only willing to put any such effort in when you are being voted? And, more importantly, why do you seemingly choose to only ever to review, and subsequently accuse, people that suspect you?

@Ragoo - Hey Mr "you didn't reply to something strike said so I am voting you!" but you did not reply to my reply to your reply for not replying to strike... do you have an opinion on that?

first answer is sitting back to see whats going on is more than what half the players are doing here

more importantly,people that suspect me gain my attention more

I do however go over what everyone is saying

[Skoffin]

Ah okay, so that is why all your 'scum list' are people that are voting you. The first step to defending oneself is to OMGUS everyone I guess.
Why are you so protective of blacky?

[jfm10]

Ah okay, so that is why all your 'scum list' are people that are voting you. The first step to defending oneself is to OMGUS everyone I guess.
Why are you so protective of blacky?

I don't believe he is scum

why are you so protective of dakky?

[Skoffin]

I'm not sure I'd classify "Dakky is a menace" and "dakky is drunk" as protecting; I would consider them to be factual statements.

[jfm10]

I'm not sure I'd classify "Dakky is a menace" and "dakky is drunk" as protecting; I would consider them to be factual statements.

If i have less than a 7% chance of preventing attacks on someone and didnt use the ability last night.strike didn't target you last night but somehow you survived an attack.Even a bus driver targeting you and strike would be much less than 1% probable.How do you explain surviving a night attack?

[jfm10]

I have been up along time today as it's my saturday night from work but by my calculations there are 126 combinations for a bus driver with 16 players to get 2 specific players.

[Razorvich]