Game of Thrones Mafia 9/24 Night 6: End Game Vote 4 MVP

[IAmRobik]

Oh gawd, yeah you're right, I miss read legion's post. I guess I might have miss read other stuff too. If no one else believes that charm is mafia, maybe she's not, maybe I'm just wrong. Anyone want to jump in before I remove my vote? I feel quite tired and confused right now so I will let you guys lead this, too many stuff going on.

No response, I guess I'll just ##unvote.

I don't have a problem with you throwing out votes willynilly, but I don't understand why you're trying to get them to stick? You're like trying to probe and find out if people will follow you. FOS

[Zivel]

Not the right place to talk about other games guys.

Meh, I know.

Anyway.

So who should we kill?

I've heard a bit about people wanting to kill you Zivel.

You want to sheep legionnare then go for it, but I will have serious doubts about your mental health if you do. The guy is one of the worst skimmers I have run into. Either that or he is scum. I am voting for him none the less unless a better option shows itself.

[27ninjabunnies]

NAh, I dont want to sheep legionnare.

[betiko]

Meh, I ll just vote legionnare even if my vote is worthless.
Tracker+watcher+bulletproof is full of shit. Maybe he s a joat, I don t know, I want at least a full claim, and his read on X.

[Zivel]

Shit. Not legionnare. I meant pretender77... phone poating sucks.

[Zivel]

NAh, I dont want to sheep legionnare.

Oh dear, not legionnare. The case on legionnare is far from solid, in fact I kinda like his logic.

The case on pretender77 is that he is bad scum and needs to die. He has been tunneling me all game. False accusations, bad reads and some serious skimming.

[pretender77]

NAh, I dont want to sheep legionnare.

Oh dear, not legionnare. The case on legionnare is far from solid, in fact I kinda like his logic.

The case on pretender77 is that he is bad scum and needs to die. He has been tunneling me all game. False accusations, bad reads and some serious skimming.

someone is a bit touchy

[IAmRobik]

Legion shouldn't be lynched for obvious reasons

[Nebuchadnezer]

Okay, a lot to catch up...I'm referring to all posts since my last one that stuck out to me...

@Boonetown – We can never be sure someone is 100% town. There are certain tells that help us figure things out, but we never know for sure until someone dies. However, Strike and Bunnies appear to town. Also, why would you out a person that visited you, when you are still alive? I hate ultimatums and threats…especially empty ones...

@Betiko – Okay, Varys has been outted. I could go either way on her. I just can’t wrap my head around all her actions and not smart posts on D2. The scum/town thing is interesting…but I’m not too concerned about the town, but rather the anti-town number being 1. Perhaps Zivel’s immunity makes him absolutely immune. I do think town might have some killing roles that have been weakened like Rob’s is. But Zivel is still a mystery to me.


@charm – You may not have outright lied, but you may have mislead Crasp, and you certainly have not fully claimed here (yet you act so offended that people suspect you of being anti-town, when you are not fully honest!) You also did some shady stuff in our town. I understand why (who would want their name revealed), but it was shady nonetheless. Ever since that, I can’t read you as town. Like Betiko said, it’s been small stuff here and there. Never blatant enough to call you out, but you do a good job of deflecting. You act like you can’t believe that you are a possible suspect for an anti-town role.

@legion - great. So you were a tracker/watcher and now your VT? Wait, it’s a watcher/tracker/1 shot BP? Holy cow! That’s damn powerful!

@Zivel – Why Does he need investigation immunity. He talked his way out of a lynch…and now can’t be investigated. It does fit with Arya Stark and her situation in later books…but also makes him look shady. Why would town be investigative proof?

@siriuscowking – So you think Charm is scum…yet you unvote because there is no bandwagon? FOS! I’m with Betiko that you are completely guessing on what happened on certain nights. Just because people have a vig-ability, doesn’t mean they will use them.

@Robik – So…you have a half kill to use each night. Hmm…Given Jak’s known fondness for shooting crazily on N1, I’d bet he shot. You should find out who.

Jak is active as always. (yes I was his tail in CYOC III...so I'm not too worried as he's always active. ) As long as he doesn't come out shooting N1...

This cracked me up...cuz it probably happened!

@AoG – I see your point about talking in the city threads. I don’t like to give too much away, given that there are multiple unknowns and possible multiple anti-town. Although I have used it to sound off my ideas before posting them here. Kind of like a filter.

@Pretender – Did I miss that you had previously claimed your city?

@Bunnies – way to sidetrack the thread…

Anybody else? Either didn't post or didn't post anything I wanted to comment on. Which reminds me...are we still using the activity list? Are there any scummariners here? Robik is active...plenty. Jak version 2.0...literally.

So, after all that, I have the following on the top of my list...

Sirius - bad voting, don't like him asking fro a bandwagon and then running when he didn't get one.
Charm - She's been dodgy all game...not being fully honest at any point in this game.
Legion - questionable logic and a hugely powerful role?
Zivel - I'd bet he's third party or mafia. Why does town need a role that can't be investigated?

Of these, the way that Sirius seemingly created a case on the backs of Betiko and I posting about Charm and then jumped off when he couldn't get the wagon started...Vote Sirius I otherwise would have gone for Charm...

[pretender77]

Okay, a lot to catch up...I'm referring to all posts since my last one that stuck out to me...

@Boonetown – We can never be sure someone is 100% town. There are certain tells that help us figure things out, but we never know for sure until someone dies. However, Strike and Bunnies appear to town. Also, why would you out a person that visited you, when you are still alive? I hate ultimatums and threats…especially empty ones...

@Betiko – Okay, Varys has been outted. I could go either way on her. I just can’t wrap my head around all her actions and not smart posts on D2. The scum/town thing is interesting…but I’m not too concerned about the town, but rather the anti-town number being 1. Perhaps Zivel’s immunity makes him absolutely immune. I do think town might have some killing roles that have been weakened like Rob’s is. But Zivel is still a mystery to me.


@charm – You may not have outright lied, but you may have mislead Crasp, and you certainly have not fully claimed here (yet you act so offended that people suspect you of being anti-town, when you are not fully honest!) You also did some shady stuff in our town. I understand why (who would want their name revealed), but it was shady nonetheless. Ever since that, I can’t read you as town. Like Betiko said, it’s been small stuff here and there. Never blatant enough to call you out, but you do a good job of deflecting. You act like you can’t believe that you are a possible suspect for an anti-town role.

@legion - great. So you were a tracker/watcher and now your VT? Wait, it’s a watcher/tracker/1 shot BP? Holy cow! That’s damn powerful!

@Zivel – Why Does he need investigation immunity. He talked his way out of a lynch…and now can’t be investigated. It does fit with Arya Stark and her situation in later books…but also makes him look shady. Why would town be investigative proof?

@siriuscowking – So you think Charm is scum…yet you unvote because there is no bandwagon? FOS! I’m with Betiko that you are completely guessing on what happened on certain nights. Just because people have a vig-ability, doesn’t mean they will use them.

@Robik – So…you have a half kill to use each night. Hmm…Given Jak’s known fondness for shooting crazily on N1, I’d bet he shot. You should find out who.

Jak is active as always. (yes I was his tail in CYOC III...so I'm not too worried as he's always active. ) As long as he doesn't come out shooting N1...

This cracked me up...cuz it probably happened!

@AoG – I see your point about talking in the city threads. I don’t like to give too much away, given that there are multiple unknowns and possible multiple anti-town. Although I have used it to sound off my ideas before posting them here. Kind of like a filter.

@Pretender – Did I miss that you had previously claimed your city?

@Bunnies – way to sidetrack the thread…

Anybody else? Either didn't post or didn't post anything I wanted to comment on. Which reminds me...are we still using the activity list? Are there any scummariners here? Robik is active...plenty. Jak version 2.0...literally.

So, after all that, I have the following on the top of my list...

Sirius - bad voting, don't like him asking fro a bandwagon and then running when he didn't get one.
Charm - She's been dodgy all game...not being fully honest at any point in this game.
Legion - questionable logic and a hugely powerful role?
Zivel - I'd bet he's third party or mafia. Why does town need a role that can't be investigated?

Of these, the way that Sirius seemingly created a case on the backs of Betiko and I posting about Charm and then jumped off when he couldn't get the wagon started...Vote Sirius I otherwise would have gone for Charm...

I like the summarization at the end of this post. We need to keep legion I believe. Zivel though...

[charm]

And actually after rereading Nebs post it definitely hints that he is in a private QT with charm rather than in her city. My mistake.

I have no other private QTs with anyone!

[charm]

@charm – You may not have outright lied, but you may have mislead Crasp, and you certainly have not fully claimed here (yet you act so offended that people suspect you of being anti-town, when you are not fully honest!) You also did some shady stuff in our town. I understand why (who would want their name revealed), but it was shady nonetheless. Ever since that, I can’t read you as town. Like Betiko said, it’s been small stuff here and there. Never blatant enough to call you out, but you do a good job of deflecting. You act like you can’t believe that you are a possible suspect for an anti-town role.

Charm - She's been dodgy all game...not being fully honest at any point in this game.

@Pre - I find it really interesting that you're giving me all this Pre when I had just told Crasp that I thought you might be scum. I've thought that all along in this game, but it has only been intuition. I have never lied to Crasp, and maybe I've missed it, but where does it say that i must tell everything when you want me to? You're just pissed off because I thought we should talk about you when you were fishing! If you don't like my game play, then why don;t you come out and say who and what you are?

[charm]

And actually after rereading Nebs post it definitely hints that he is in a private QT with charm rather than in her city. My mistake.

I have no other private QTs with anyone!

Let me rephrase so you all can clearly understand what I'm saying...

THE ONLY PRIVATE QT I HAD WAS WITH PETER(Crasp)!

I am in a Location QT - that is STORMS END!

[charm]

Oopsy, I misquoted - this was from Pre quoting Neb...no surprise, Neb was the other person I report to Crasp as possible scum.

@charm – You may not have outright lied, but you may have mislead Crasp, and you certainly have not fully claimed here (yet you act so offended that people suspect you of being anti-town, when you are not fully honest!) You also did some shady stuff in our town. I understand why (who would want their name revealed), but it was shady nonetheless. Ever since that, I can’t read you as town. Like Betiko said, it’s been small stuff here and there. Never blatant enough to call you out, but you do a good job of deflecting. You act like you can’t believe that you are a possible suspect for an anti-town role.

Charm - She's been dodgy all game...not being fully honest at any point in this game.

@Pre - I find it really interesting that you're giving me all this Pre when I had just told Crasp that I thought you might be scum. I've thought that all along in this game, but it has only been intuition. I have never lied to Crasp, and maybe I've missed it, but where does it say that i must tell everything when you want me to? You're just pissed off because I thought we should talk about you when you were fishing! If you don't like my game play, then why don;t you come out and say who and what you are?

[boonetown]

@Nebuchadnezer, while you might be right about me being alive despite the visit in the night, it caused my action to do something i hadnt intended, and considering i am confirmed town at this point... why would someone be switching my action?

also, this is me saying there is a second busdriver type role in the game.

so, the person that did it, did it for a reason and it can't have been a towny one, so unless this 'person' comes forward willingly, i will have to assume they are mafia.

[betiko]

Oopsy, I misquoted - this was from Pre quoting Neb...no surprise, Neb was the other person I report to Crasp as possible scum.

@charm – You may not have outright lied, but you may have mislead Crasp, and you certainly have not fully claimed here (yet you act so offended that people suspect you of being anti-town, when you are not fully honest!) You also did some shady stuff in our town. I understand why (who would want their name revealed), but it was shady nonetheless. Ever since that, I can’t read you as town. Like Betiko said, it’s been small stuff here and there. Never blatant enough to call you out, but you do a good job of deflecting. You act like you can’t believe that you are a possible suspect for an anti-town role.

Charm - She's been dodgy all game...not being fully honest at any point in this game.

@Pre - I find it really interesting that you're giving me all this Pre when I had just told Crasp that I thought you might be scum. I've thought that all along in this game, but it has only been intuition. I have never lied to Crasp, and maybe I've missed it, but where does it say that i must tell everything when you want me to? You're just pissed off because I thought we should talk about you when you were fishing! If you don't like my game play, then why don;t you come out and say who and what you are?

Just to be clear and anyone in the dread fort could confirm. Crasp said in our QT day 3 that you told him you were in king s landing (how stupid can you be to lie about your city?). You also told him that you could send 2 private QTs per night and that you sent one to crasp, one to jak just before he got replaced. Robik, were you talking privately to charm?


Otherwise, I really like neb s post because that s pretty much how I feel. Not sure I would put sirius on the top of my list though. It s more like he isn t paying any attention to what he reads.

Boone: i m not really sure I follow what happened to you... Why do you think you goy busdriven?

[betiko]

Oopsy, I misquoted - this was from Pre quoting Neb...no surprise, Neb was the other person I report to Crasp as possible scum.

@charm – You may not have outright lied, but you may have mislead Crasp, and you certainly have not fully claimed here (yet you act so offended that people suspect you of being anti-town, when you are not fully honest!) You also did some shady stuff in our town. I understand why (who would want their name revealed), but it was shady nonetheless. Ever since that, I can’t read you as town. Like Betiko said, it’s been small stuff here and there. Never blatant enough to call you out, but you do a good job of deflecting. You act like you can’t believe that you are a possible suspect for an anti-town role.

Charm - She's been dodgy all game...not being fully honest at any point in this game.

@Pre - I find it really interesting that you're giving me all this Pre when I had just told Crasp that I thought you might be scum. I've thought that all along in this game, but it has only been intuition. I have never lied to Crasp, and maybe I've missed it, but where does it say that i must tell everything when you want me to? You're just pissed off because I thought we should talk about you when you were fishing! If you don't like my game play, then why don;t you come out and say who and what you are?

Just to be clear and anyone in the dread fort could confirm. Crasp said in our QT day 3 that you told him you were in king s landing (how stupid can you be to lie about your city?). You also told him that you could send 2 private QTs per night and that you sent one to crasp, one to jak just before he got replaced. Robik, were you talking privately to charm?


Otherwise, I really like neb s post because that s pretty much how I feel. Not sure I would put sirius on the top of my list though. It s more like he isn t paying any attention to what he reads.

Boone: i m not really sure I follow what happened to you... Why do you think you got busdriven?

[Zivel]

NAh, I dont want to sheep legionnare.

Oh dear, not legionnare. The case on legionnare is far from solid, in fact I kinda like his logic.

The case on pretender77 is that he is bad scum and needs to die. He has been tunneling me all game. False accusations, bad reads and some serious skimming.

someone is a bit touchy

Go back and read my follow up post to betikos claim that I misplaced you. Or if you dont understand, ask your scum buddies in your QT to help you out.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Oopsy, I misquoted - this was from Pre quoting Neb...no surprise, Neb was the other person I report to Crasp as possible scum.

@charm – You may not have outright lied, but you may have mislead Crasp, and you certainly have not fully claimed here (yet you act so offended that people suspect you of being anti-town, when you are not fully honest!) You also did some shady stuff in our town. I understand why (who would want their name revealed), but it was shady nonetheless. Ever since that, I can’t read you as town. Like Betiko said, it’s been small stuff here and there. Never blatant enough to call you out, but you do a good job of deflecting. You act like you can’t believe that you are a possible suspect for an anti-town role.

Charm - She's been dodgy all game...not being fully honest at any point in this game.

@Pre - I find it really interesting that you're giving me all this Pre when I had just told Crasp that I thought you might be scum. I've thought that all along in this game, but it has only been intuition. I have never lied to Crasp, and maybe I've missed it, but where does it say that i must tell everything when you want me to? You're just pissed off because I thought we should talk about you when you were fishing! If you don't like my game play, then why don;t you come out and say who and what you are?

Nice responses charm...if anyone casts suspicion on you, they must be scum, eh? Couldn't possibly be your play...

[pretender77]

NAh, I dont want to sheep legionnare.

Oh dear, not legionnare. The case on legionnare is far from solid, in fact I kinda like his logic.

The case on pretender77 is that he is bad scum and needs to die. He has been tunneling me all game. False accusations, bad reads and some serious skimming.

someone is a bit touchy

Go back and read my follow up post to betikos claim that I misplaced you. Or if you dont understand, ask your scum buddies in your QT to help you out.

False Accusations: The ultimate accusation I made was that you were scum, No one knows if that is false until you are found out to be town,3rd, or mafia
Bad reads: Just because people don't necessarily agree with me doesn't mean that my reads are bad
Serious skimming: That one incident yes I misread, but I fessed up and I apologized, there is nothing more I can do about that.

The above are the 3 things that you use as a basis for why I "NEED" to die. None of the three are concrete instances besides the misreading incident and everyone has there days. You have stated that I neeed to die and given crap to back it up. I think I touched a nerve and because of that I will be voting you.

@charm- you are quoting stuff from aagggeesss ago. I don't have anything against you currently, no need to freak out unless you have something to hide

[pretender77]

In addition to the above zivel your vote is ALLLLLL over the place

[Zivel]

In addition to the above zivel your vote is ALLLLLL over the place

For a start, I have explained all my votes comprehensibly and the logic behind them was sound.

This post however:

False Accusations: The ultimate accusation I made was that you were scum, No one knows if that is false until you are found out to be town,3rd, or mafia
Bad reads: Just because people don't necessarily agree with me doesn't mean that my reads are bad
Serious skimming: That one incident yes I misread, but I fessed up and I apologized, there is nothing more I can do about that.

The above are the 3 things that you use as a basis for why I "NEED" to die. None of the three are concrete instances besides the misreading incident and everyone has there days. You have stated that I neeed to die and given crap to back it up. I think I touched a nerve and because of that I will be voting you.

@charm- you are quoting stuff from aagggeesss ago. I don't have anything against you currently, no need to freak out unless you have something to hide

Is weak. I have given you a little pressure and this is what you come up with.

Your only case has been me, it started in day two with this:

I voted Zivel because
a. WE are running out of time in this day
b. We spent all of the time this day on zivel-oriented business
c. If we find out what he is with his alignmenent, city etc we can use all of the other incidents of the day to see how they align or go against

If those are not weak reasons then I dont know what is.

You then tried to open the case on me on day two and this tunneling lead to this mistake from you:

Actually, what bloody game are you reading dude? The only person who claimed at the last min was maybe Mtam and he was lynched for being scum.

SKIMMER

You better have some decent answers to what I can only call some messed up play....

Yea. It's a mixup. I apologize. I'm used to 16 or less player mafia games not ones as big as this with people I don't know. I just re-read. I apologize zivel

From there you then made this:

Just to clarify for anyone I AM A MEMBER OF STORMS END. This is another strike for zivel correct?
fp cow
fp robik

The above post and you play since is the one that put the nail in the coffin for you from my perspective. I never asked you to out yourself, I never said where you were, I never put you in Braavos as betiko claimed. Yet after I explained all this and betiko apologized you still think it is a 'strike' against me.

You have made two false accusations, one you apologized for but this latest one you seem to be oblivious to.

You reads so far have been to jump on the latest wagon thats going using excuses that have already been given, no new information.

Your skimming is obvious and this is not a lynchable offence in my books but your play is messed up cause of it.

My only reservation is that your votes have been for the mafia, but these have come in after it has been clear that they were going down. I have a feeling the QT told you to bus them and if you flip scum it gives some interesting leads.

For this reason I am voting you, and my vote will stay, no 'all over the place today'.

[IAmRobik]

Oopsy, I misquoted - this was from Pre quoting Neb...no surprise, Neb was the other person I report to Crasp as possible scum.

@charm – You may not have outright lied, but you may have mislead Crasp, and you certainly have not fully claimed here (yet you act so offended that people suspect you of being anti-town, when you are not fully honest!) You also did some shady stuff in our town. I understand why (who would want their name revealed), but it was shady nonetheless. Ever since that, I can’t read you as town. Like Betiko said, it’s been small stuff here and there. Never blatant enough to call you out, but you do a good job of deflecting. You act like you can’t believe that you are a possible suspect for an anti-town role.

Charm - She's been dodgy all game...not being fully honest at any point in this game.

@Pre - I find it really interesting that you're giving me all this Pre when I had just told Crasp that I thought you might be scum. I've thought that all along in this game, but it has only been intuition. I have never lied to Crasp, and maybe I've missed it, but where does it say that i must tell everything when you want me to? You're just pissed off because I thought we should talk about you when you were fishing! If you don't like my game play, then why don;t you come out and say who and what you are?

Just to be clear and anyone in the dread fort could confirm. Crasp said in our QT day 3 that you told him you were in king s landing (how stupid can you be to lie about your city?). You also told him that you could send 2 private QTs per night and that you sent one to crasp, one to jak just before he got replaced. Robik, were you talking privately to charm?


Otherwise, I really like neb s post because that s pretty much how I feel. Not sure I would put sirius on the top of my list though. It s more like he isn t paying any attention to what he reads.

Boone: i m not really sure I follow what happened to you... Why do you think you goy busdriven?

I answered this to whoever asked me in Braavos -- I am in no additional QTs besides the Braavosian one.

Also, I don't like Boone's inactivity (not her activity lately) -- the one post that she made was super cryptic and she called herself confirmed town, which means she's not even bothering to follow the thread to understand that the 3 people in KL are no longer super duper confirmed town as we first thought.

[charm]

@Betiko - I never said I was in King's Landing! I just checked and that is not in any of the text. Why in the world would I tell him that? I never said anything about sending messages at night only. This is a case of "who stole the cookie from the cookie jar!" Anyways, get your head out of my ass Betiko, I know it is a mighty fine ass but you barking in the wrong hole! The only reason you are not on my hit list any longer is that Crasp really wanted you to stay. So, either he had a completely wrong read on you too, or you're town. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt.

@Everyone - I am done defending myself, I've done it until I'm blue in the face. I am going scum hunting, so stop wasting my time!

[legionnare]

@Betiko you already summed up my claim pretty accurately:
I can track and watch, either/or each night
I have 1BP
@Neb yes it's a very powerful hence why I am now down to being a VT. As I use the abilities it drains me, I started with 2 life, each use uses .5 life, I have used them 3 times if I use it a 4th time I die before I can report the results.
Again the 3 uses:
N1 watched crasp, saw player Q visit
N2 tracked player Q saw them visit Pershy
N3 wasted it watching Betiko's back as he was the obvious Mafia hit target, suspicious to me that no-one went for him. Should have gone back to watching crasp then I would have had a killer to offer you all.

As for Robik, if it's a slow kill method I don't know if it will kill me or not.

I've said it before and will keep saying it Player Q's (formerly x as per Epitaph's request) name will go with me to the grave as it is most likely a protective/RB role and your pushing for the name Betiko seems very scummy to me. What does it matter, if I name them they are dead, so why would they confirm to save me now that I am merely a VT. FOS

FP'd by charm