Romania map

[porkenbeans]

Latest version.

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First draft-
I am shelving the Jamaican map until there is a ruling on it. So in the meantime I thought that I would just try something else.
Enter Romania. It has 41 territs I think. The bonus areas are only tentative, and are meant to show how I plan to do the circles.
I have seen a few Foundry guys and girls that are into game play. I must admit that I do not usually read any of the game play discussions, as I am mostly, only into the graphic end. If one of you guys want to get your name on a map, I am willing to let you do the game play on this baby. I will be happy to do all the updates for what ever you have in mind. Please feel free to post here, or shoot me a pm.

[Evil DIMwit]

Really, not gonna show off the topography? Romania has some beautiful mountains.

[porkenbeans]

Really, not gonna show off the topography? Romania has some beautiful mountains.

Like I said, I will add mountains, rivers, bridges or whatever the game play master wishes.

[Raskholnikov]

Hi Porken,

Great idea! I was born and lived in Romania as a child, so I'm all for this. I know the country, its history and organization intimately, so I'd love to work with you on this.

Let me know if you're interested.

In any case, I do suggest you add Bessarabia, Northern Bukovina and Southern Dobrogea (ie Romania's frontiers between the two world wars) to make the play more interesting.

In Terms of bonuses, I would divide the "Judete" (ie administrative units on your map) in their historical regional components: Moldavia, Walachia (composed on Muntenia and Oltenia) Transylvania, Dobrogea, Banat, and Bessarabia.

You will porbably also want to add the Carpathian Mountains with their passes, the Danube river, the Olt River, the Prut River and the Nistru river, which are pretty much the natural barriers for the historical regions and will help players hold the bonus regions easier.

Finally, you should consider giving Bucharest, by far the largest Romanian city and, of course, its capital, a +1 autodeploy.

Good luck!

Raskholnokov

[porkenbeans]

Rask,
You certainly sound like the right guy for the job. It's yours if you wish.
This makes me very happy, and I am eager to implement all of your marching orders. With your knowledge, and my speed with graphics, I can feel a fast track in the makes for this map.
Can you do this ?
take it one step at a time, and just scribble a quick draft of a particular item, such as mountain ranges. Then I will make it so. I made the circles a bit larger than they will finally end up, so as to make sure to have room for them, and their placement can possibly be rearranged as needed. But they are in a good place to start with I think.
I do not want you to take a lot of time with your drafts, just a scribble job, to let me know just where to put things.
Nity-nite, I will check back tomorrow.

[Raskholnikov]

Pork,

I'd be more than happy to work with you on this, since as I told you, Romania is a subject very close to my heart.

I like to work fast and I agree that there is no reason to do complicated drafts. Please find below links to maps which will show you where things are and will tell you everything you need to know. Of course, some items will be judgement calls which we can decide together.

I look forward to working with you on this one! Thank you!

Raskholnikov.

This is more or less how the map should look in terms of bonus regions.


The regional division is essentally correct. But the map should be called: Romania Between the Two World Wars: 1918-1940. Otherwise we might annoy a lot of Bulgarians, Ukrainians, Russians and Moldovans hahahaha



For the actual Judete, check this map it's quite cool. I think there are 72 Judete in all. If you think that's too many, we can use the 41 that exist today (and which you have on your map) and add 12: 1 in Bucovina, 9 in Basarabia, 2 in Dobrogea. It wouldn't be historically accurate, but you may prefer 53 instead of 72. Personally, I prefer the historically accurate version but it's your call

http://romaniainterbelica.memoria.ro/

This is a site with a lot of very useful maps. They could prove helpful:

http://mapsromania.celendo.eu/

These are the rivers and mountains we should put in:



Once we decide exactly the final shape of the regions and the number of Judete, we can decide together where to put the mountain passes and bridges.

Oh, if you absolutely hate the idea of doing the historical map of 1918-1940 and want to stick to today's Romania, we can use the map below and have as bonuses Romania's 8 Euro-regions (in fact, 7 plus Bucharest). Personally I prefer the historical map (lol surprise!), but it's your map and I want you to choose what corresponds closest to your vision. I'll be happy to assist either way.

http://www.celendo.ro/HartiJudete/EuroZ ... elendo.jpg

[porkenbeans]

OK, lets get started. I think with the size restrictions and all, The current 41 territs is going to be the limit. As a matter of fact, The reason that I chose this map is because of how they are relatively the same size, and all can easily fit the names and circles within their borders. If you notice, there are no names that are not within their borders. Plus, after the mountains and such are added, it will become more crowded, and I am afraid that with more territs added, we will loose that cleanness.
I will adjust the bonus area colors to reflect the actual ones that you have provided. I will need to add 3 colors.
On that note, are there any colors that are unique to any regions, such as flags or sports teams for instance ? do not want to ruffle anyone's feathers by making them an objectionable color.
I will get to work on the mountain ranges and rivers, after that I will make the bonus area corrections, and additions.
Do I have all the names correct, and in the right places ?

[Raskholnikov]

Hi,

Fine, let's go with the current map of Romania and the 41 judete. This will keep it simpler.

In this case, for bonus regions, we will use the Romanian euro-zones as per the map below. There are 8 Euro-regions - in fact, 7 plus Bucharest.

In terms of mountains, nothing changes. However, none or the rivers constitue regiona borders any longer, so we can remove them all.

The names are as follows:
RO1: Moldova
RO2: Dobrogea
RO3: Muntenia
RO4: Oltenia
RO5: Banat
RO6: Crisana
RO7: Transilvania
RO8: Bucuresti

[porkenbeans]

Hi,

Fine, let's go with the current map of Romania and the 41 judete. This will keep it simpler.

In terms of rivers and mountains, everything stays the same as on the map above with 3 exceptions: the river on the USSR border is not necessary; neither is the one immediately to the west of it, because it costitutes the external eastern border of our map. Finally, the river going from the Danube staight up in the mountains and which is the boder between Olteania and Muntenia should stop in the mountains for clarity's sake.

In this case, for bonus regions, we will use the Romanian euro-zones as per the map below. There are 8 Euro-regions - in fact, 7 plus Bucharest.

The names are as follows:
RO1: Moldova
RO2: Dobrogea
RO3: Muntenia
RO4: Oltenia
RO5: Banat
RO6: Crisana
RO7: Transilvania
RO8: Bucuresti

Yes, I like this. It works very good I think. I even like the arrangement of colors. I will do a similar layout. in my next update.
Can you make a copy of "OUR" map and just scribble on it, where you think the mountains and rivers should go ?
This will make things much easier for me.

[Raskholnikov]

Great. So then we will have 7 regions (since its not really possible to have Bucharest on its own) and probably add a self-deply +1 on Bucharest. As I said above, no rivers are needed now - just the mountains.

I'm checking now spelling and location. Everything seems Ok, except two typos:
Lalomita (next to Bucharest) should be Ialomita; and
Lasi (on the north-eastern border) should be Iasi.

If I find anything else i'll lelt you know. - Nope, all good. I see you decided not to use Romanian accents. That's fine, as long as we stay consistent.

[porkenbeans]

Great. So then we will have 7 regions (since its not really possible to have Bucharest on its own) and probably add a self-deply +1 on Bucharest. As I said above, no rivers are needed now - just the mountains.

I'm checking now spelling and location. Everything seems Ok, except two typos:
Lalomita (next to Bucharest) should be Ialomita; and
Lasi (on the north-eastern border) should be Iasi.

If I find anything else i'll lelt you know. - Nope, all good. I see you decided not to use Romanian accents. That's fine, as long as we stay consistent.

I think that the accents would be better, but I do not know if I have those character fonts or not.

So, lasi and lalomita are NOT capitalized ?

[Raskholnikov]

Yes, they are, but with "I" from India, not "L" from "London".

[porkenbeans]

Yes, they are, but with "I" from India, not "L" from "London".

Oh "I" see.

[jefjef]

Howdy porkenbeans!

Gotcha a project I see.

Hey have you considered doing the tert names in the different area colors instead of the colored circles?

[natty dread]

I actually like the coloured circles. It makes the graphic design a bit more original, it's always refreshing to try something that's not already tried in a zillion other maps...

[porkenbeans]

Howdy porkenbeans!

Gotcha a project I see.

Hey have you considered doing the tert names in the different area colors instead of the colored circles?

Thank you jeff, and yes, as a matter of fact I have been considering that very thing. If we end up using them they will end up being smaller. I like the fact that they are unique from everything else at CC, but they may end up just being too much, if you know what I mean. We will see how it goes. Thanks again for the suggestion.

[Raskholnikov]

I look forward to seeing the next draft

[targetman377]

i like the map however the background i do not like i think the flag is too big and the sea i do not like at all. just my opion it distracts me from the actually map i do like the real pics though maybe find some more of thouse and also get a real pic of the Romanian flag just on the bottom left corner is too much for the eye i think

[porkenbeans]

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Version #2

I got to thinking more about what jeff said. I think that it really does work better without the colored circles.
Rask, if you could scribble out something for me in the way of mountain ranges and rivers, I can get busy on the next update. Just a general idea of where to place them, and where you imagine the passes and bridges should go. I don't know if you have photoshop or not. If you don't, Maybe you have a printer. You could just print a copy of the map, and then just use a marker or crayon or something to scribble them in.

[porkenbeans]

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version 3

A bit more color. Thought I would throw something up to get some feedback on "druthers".

[isaiah40]

Please reduce the opacity on the background it is way too loud!! It takes your focus away from the map. I want to look at that statue every time. Map colors are good, it's just that back ground.

[RedBaron0]

Please reduce the opacity on the background it is way too loud!! It takes your focus away from the map. I want to look at that statue every time. Map colors are good, it's just that back ground.

Agreed on the background. The only connection you've got to the surrounding geography is the Black Sea, lets have a hint that the rest of Europe is under there somewhere.

Look'n great so far, lets see where those impassibles go and and then you can get some solid numbers for bonuses. The Transylvanian Alps, the Carpathian Mts. and the Bihor Mts. will probably be your main impassibles, if you stick close to the real geography. The Danube River is there but is mostly the southern border of the country, but does cut across Tulucea and Constanta north to south.

[porkenbeans]

I have, played around with the opacity of the background, and have tentatively settled on the current version. I like it the way that I have it now. Besides, I am not trying to reproduce the faded background picture style, that everyone else is into, as of late. I am trying to produce a whole new style. One that you will NOT find among the current CC maps. I consider myself more of a leader than a follower. Some of my ideas I have no doubt, will not work in the end, but that is the risk of the Innovator. Please afford me this consideration when you critique my work. Don't prejudge everything as how it complies, with everything the crowd is doing. Just as you would not compare Rembrandt with Picasso.
I am not however, closed to suggestions, as you can see from the first suggestion in this thread. Right off the bat jeff pointed out something that I was already not totally pleased with. His input helped to make up my mind on the matter. I am very pleased with the result of his very helpful suggestion. "So keep em commin".

[SuicidalSnowman]

Right now, the territory names are distracting the way they are all headed in different directions. I like the font and colours, though.

Of course, I have no idea how you make them fit. But I am thinking if they could at least run at similar angles/directions, so that Mehedinti is heading the same way as Dambviti, that is up and to the right.

To say a little more, the colors are bright and lively, and the prominent army circles show that there are creative ways to work in the CC requirements to a map. Bravo on this. But with so much already going on, the names heading off all over the place, in my opinion, take away from the overall look.


I personally like the prominent background image, but I would like to see perhaps a thicker line around the outside edge of the map.

[porkenbeans]

Thanks so much for the feedback guys. Please tell me which version you like between 2 and 3. I am leaning toward something in between myself, but want to get feedback on it.
Also can anyone tell me what size the army #s are, so I can put in the 888s'.