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AAFitz wrote:There will always be cheaters, abusive players, terrible players, and worse. But we have every right to crush them.
MeDeFe wrote:This is a forum on the internet, what do you expect?
MR. Nate wrote:comic boy:
Belief in God is innate. Feel free to argue with me, the fact is, people tend to believe in God, even if they don't have any allegiance to a particular expression.
Christianity is the most logical and internally consistent belief system about God. Again, feel free to argue with me, but the system as a whole works better and is more satisfying than any other.
I find your accusation of arrogance a tad hypocritical, if only because you are insisting you are more valid than I, which would, by your argument, be arrogant as well. I don't find studying the evidence and asserting a truth claim about it arrogant, I find it prudent.
As for agnosticism, I find that agnostics tend to be those who (in the words of a philosophy professor) punt on first down. Don't just throw up your hands and say "We can't know" - study it, work with it, figure it out.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
CoffeeCream wrote:I just wanted to say that you guys can continue to argue about this if you want between yourselves, but I've already made the decision for myself on the matter. I became a Christian last week.
CoffeeCream wrote:I just wanted to say that you guys can continue to argue about this if you want between yourselves, but I've already made the decision for myself on the matter. I became a Christian last week.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
CoffeeCream wrote:I just wanted to say that you guys can continue to argue about this if you want between yourselves, but I've already made the decision for myself on the matter. I became a Christian last week.
MR. Nate wrote:Symmetry:
I find your last statement very troubling. You go from "There are some books which were not included in the canon, and some additions to mark, and the dates aren't as close as I would like" to "We don't have the original intent of the authors" which seems to be a leap of faith colored by a previous commitment unbelief.
CoffeeCream wrote:I just wanted to say that you guys can continue to argue about this if you want between yourselves, but I've already made the decision for myself on the matter. I became a Christian last week.
MR. Nate wrote:Christianity is the most logical and internally consistent belief system about God. Again, feel free to argue with me, but the system as a whole works better and is more satisfying than any other.
I find your accusation of arrogance a tad hypocritical, if only because you are insisting you are more valid than I, which would, by your argument, be arrogant as well. I don't find studying the evidence and asserting a truth claim about it arrogant, I find it prudent.
As for agnosticism, I find that agnostics tend to be those who (in the words of a philosophy professor) punt on first down. Don't just throw up your hands and say "We can't know" - study it, work with it, figure it out.
MR. Nate wrote:Christianity is the most logical and internally consistent belief system about God.
Heimdall wrote:MR. Nate wrote:Christianity is the most logical and internally consistent belief system about God.
Logical? I think not:
World is 4000 years old... huh? Dinosaurs for one
World created in 7 days... Impossible say geologists
Earth center of the universe... Not even the center of our solar system
Snorri1234 wrote:How was the previous statement about Christianity being the most logical anything but arrogant?
AAFitz wrote:There will always be cheaters, abusive players, terrible players, and worse. But we have every right to crush them.
MeDeFe wrote:This is a forum on the internet, what do you expect?
MR. Nate wrote:I have studied a variety of religious and non religious belief structures. The one which is the most consistent and has the fewest logical leaps is Christianity. If you'd care to debate this with me, start a thread, outline your main points, and lets get started.
MR. Nate wrote:I have studied a variety of religious and non religious belief structures. The one which is the most consistent and has the fewest logical leaps is Christianity.
MR. Nate wrote:I have studied a variety of religious and non religious belief structures. The one which is the most consistent and has the fewest logical leaps is Christianity. If you'd care to debate this with me, start a thread, outline your main points, and lets get started. If you're just going to laugh, that's fine, but be aware that your not contributing anything to the conversation.
Heimdall wrote: In some places God is described as merciful and in other places as lacking mercy; in some places as a being who repents and changes His mind, in other places as a being who never repents and changes His mind; in some places as a being who deceives and causes confusion and evil, and in other places as a being who never does; in some places as someone who punishes children for their parents' wrong doing and in other places as one who never does. God is like Jekyll and Hyde
You found atheism because you didn't want to obey God. What is your point?Backglass wrote:You found what you wanted to find, having already been a "dyed-in-the-wool" Christian when you started school.
unriggable wrote:Book of Revelations.Logical Nightmare.
AAFitz wrote:There will always be cheaters, abusive players, terrible players, and worse. But we have every right to crush them.
MeDeFe wrote:This is a forum on the internet, what do you expect?
MR. Nate wrote:God is never described as not being merciful. He is merciful and just. Sometimes He punishes people according to their sin, other times he allows it to go on for a time, ultimately, he is both. Divine repentance is used to help us understand the immanence of God. His attitude toward the situation changes when He has completed punishment, or when someones attitude toward Him changes. God is never described or portrayed as a being who causes evil. I don't ever see God punishing people for their parents evil, either. Specific examples are much more helpful than broad, sweeping statements.
MR. Nate wrote:Sometimes He...
MR. Nate wrote:...other times ...
MR. Nate wrote:His attitude changes
Malachi 3:6 wrote:"I, the Lord, do not change."
MR. Nate wrote: You found atheism because you didn't want to obey God. What is your point?
Heimdall wrote:MR. Nate wrote:I have studied a variety of religious and non religious belief structures. The one which is the most consistent and has the fewest logical leaps is Christianity. If you'd care to debate this with me, start a thread, outline your main points, and lets get started.
The concept of the Christian God is incoherent. Note that I am not just saying that belief in God is false. Rather, there is an incongruity in basing one's religion on a belief in God and having this idea be incoherent. What could be more absurd than that the central concept of a religion is inconsistent? Some of the properties attributed to God in the Bible are inconsistent. In some places God is described as merciful and in other places as lacking mercy; in some places as a being who repents and changes His mind, in other places as a being who never repents and changes His mind; in some places as a being who deceives and causes confusion and evil, and in other places as a being who never does; in some places as someone who punishes children for their parents' wrong doing and in other places as one who never does. God is like Jekyll and Hyde
MR. Nate wrote:You found atheism because you didn't want to obey God. What is your point?Backglass wrote:You found what you wanted to find, having already been a "dyed-in-the-wool" Christian when you started school.
Neutrino wrote:I think his point was, as as established Christian, you took a cursory look at the other religions and declared Christianity to be superior in every concievable way.
People who are steeped in a particular thing, then claim they have looked at all the options and, suprise, suprise, chose the same one.
Neoteny wrote:^^ Is that Ted Haggard?
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