Bigoted Organization "Chic-Fil-A" infiltrates facebook

[chapcrap]

For the record, it's Chick, not Chic. Those words mean different things.

Also for the record, they make amazing chicken and it tastes great.

Is this one of those "Mussolini made the trains run on time" kind of apologetics? Cause surely nice tasting fast food doesn't excuse donating to organisations that are partly responsible for executions of homosexuals in Uganda, if Juan's sources are correct.

This is one of those "The chicken is awesome, I don't care what CEOs say, everything I have experienced from the company is positive, and I love food a lot" kind of apologetics.

And about Uganda:

EDIT: I mean, you can't take Juan sources from what he says. He can't even spell the company name right. So, he obviously doesn't graze his material very meticulously. If you're going to argue against something, like Chick-Fil-A, then come across competent, informed, and have something ready for what people are going to respond back to you. Otherwise, why bother?

I'm guessing that you're not gay though, and thus haven't experienced the nastier side of their operation. Do you have at least a little sympathy for the folks persecuted?

I can forgive him the typo.

I'm guessing you're not in Uganda. And what nastier side of the operation? You mean all the chickens they kill? There is no nastier side of their operation. They are a fast food restaurant.

My sexual orientation plays no part in this for me. If the CEO of any food place that I love to eat at said something against a group that I associate myself with, you know what I would do? Still eat there. Because I love food. I love chicken sandwiches and pizza and french dips and Cap'n Crunch.

Can you forgive the triple post to start the thread?

[Juan_Bottom]

and.... review the debate over proof of God/science for a key example. As long as people insist that science DOES disprove God, then nothing you provide as scientific proof will be considered valid. This applies whether the proof is of Global warming, that homosexuality is biologically based, or any other debate.

When it comes to God and "Chic-Fill-A," you can plainly see something that many loud Atheists have been saying for years. Christianity is slowly dying in America, it's being killed by 1,000 cuts. These homophobic "Chic-Fill-A" customers are all holding onto a razor. They don't believe in God any more than I do, they just want to use the Bible to justify their own selfish, zealous homophobia, while ignoring the parts that would make their lives more difficult. Many of them have been quoting Leviticus for their anti-gay rhetoric, but they're ignoring all the other rules from Leviticus like mixing fabrics or having tattoos. "Chic-Fill-A" has been caught red-handed lying and bearing false witness, two crimes against the holy Commandments, but none of these Christians care in the slightest, so long as they can strut smugly about it in front of everyone who cares for equality. I've brought it up many times in this thread. They don't give a shit about their own God's Commandments. They hate gays more than they love their God.
"Chic-Fill-A" has been recognized for donating money to groups that promote vile & disgusting anti-homosexual lies & propaganda, and they also support the murder of Homosexuals. You think NS cares if these people claim that Homosexuals are all child-rapists? Nope, he doesn't believe that saying shit like that makes a group a hate group.And that sure as hell didn't slow down the sales of their damned chicken patties. In fact there are a few participating in this very thread like NS and Ray Rider who wont answer for the hate, murder, lies, and proudly broken Commandments, but they also don't care that we know what they're supporting. Ray Rider seems to love it.
This is why Christianity is slowly dying. It's not just the Science, it's the hypocritical Conservatives who say that they believe in God, but really they don't. They just want to play like they have the moral high ground while protecting people who murder homosexuals. They call it free speech.

[Juan_Bottom]

For the record, it's Chick, not Chic. Those words mean different things.

Also for the record, they make amazing chicken and it tastes great.

Is this one of those "Mussolini made the trains run on time" kind of apologetics? Cause surely nice tasting fast food doesn't excuse donating to organisations that are partly responsible for executions of homosexuals in Uganda, if Juan's sources are correct.

This is one of those "The chicken is awesome, I don't care what CEOs say, everything I have experienced from the company is positive, and I love food a lot" kind of apologetics.

And about Uganda:

EDIT: I mean, you can't take Juan sources from what he says. He can't even spell the company name right. So, he obviously doesn't graze his material very meticulously. If you're going to argue against something, like Chick-Fil-A, then come across competent, informed, and have something ready for what people are going to respond back to you. Otherwise, why bother?

Then "graze' that materiel for yourself. They're paying groups to have homosexuals murdered, and you can't be bothered to take 5 seconds to google your own sources. You buy their food, you say nothing; YOU support the murder of gays.

[Symmetry]

For the record, it's Chick, not Chic. Those words mean different things.

Also for the record, they make amazing chicken and it tastes great.

Is this one of those "Mussolini made the trains run on time" kind of apologetics? Cause surely nice tasting fast food doesn't excuse donating to organisations that are partly responsible for executions of homosexuals in Uganda, if Juan's sources are correct.

This is one of those "The chicken is awesome, I don't care what CEOs say, everything I have experienced from the company is positive, and I love food a lot" kind of apologetics.

And about Uganda:

EDIT: I mean, you can't take Juan sources from what he says. He can't even spell the company name right. So, he obviously doesn't graze his material very meticulously. If you're going to argue against something, like Chick-Fil-A, then come across competent, informed, and have something ready for what people are going to respond back to you. Otherwise, why bother?

I'm guessing that you're not gay though, and thus haven't experienced the nastier side of their operation. Do you have at least a little sympathy for the folks persecuted?

I can forgive him the typo.

I'm guessing you're not in Uganda. And what nastier side of the operation? You mean all the chickens they kill? There is no nastier side of their operation. They are a fast food restaurant.

My sexual orientation plays no part in this for me. If the CEO of any food place that I love to eat at said something against a group that I associate myself with, you know what I would do? Still eat there. Because I love food. I love chicken sandwiches and pizza and french dips and Cap'n Crunch.

Can you forgive the triple post to start the thread?

Shirley you understand that some folks will object to what their money is funding, even if it harms their consumption of fried chicken in the short term.

If you feel strongly enough that the two are not connected, that's fine. I wouldn't go so far as to criticise those who see the connection and don't like Chick-Fil-A funding organisations that work towards executing gay people.

[chapcrap]

Then "graze' that materiel for yourself. They're paying groups to have homosexuals murdered, and you can't be bothered to take 5 seconds to google your own sources. You buy their food, you say nothing; YOU support the murder of gays.

I love food from Chick-Fil-A. I've never heard of this "Chic-Fil-A" that you keep writing about.

You are constantly making double and triple posts and using words like irregardless. And statements like:

There's no rational or scientific reason to oppose gay marriage.

I mean, really? No scientific reason? As a science person, I think I can give you a pretty good reason.

Although, this did make me laugh...sad if true though, but funny, nonetheless

I would be impressed if young liberal douchebags would take a stance against diamonds - since mercantilism is so destructive of an economic system that the United States fought a war of independence to overthrow it - in order to help Africa develop itself into a modern capitalistic civilization.

Many liberals are VERY against the diamond market, actually.

I told my girlfriend that I was gonna get her a Ruby engagement ring.

We're not together anymore.

Shirley you understand that some folks will object to what their money is funding, even if it harms their consumption of fried chicken in the short term.

If you feel strongly enough that the two are not connected, that's fine. I wouldn't go so far as to criticise those who see the connection and don't like Chick-Fil-A funding organisations that work towards executing gay people.

What is it that is being claimed that Chick-Fil-A funds?

I'll say this about donations to groups in general, anyone can donate to a group with the best of intentions and think that they are attempting to support something that they actually are not because a group isn't as up front about their actions. I don't know if that is the case here, but donations to groups don't get my temperature up because you can't control what a group will do with it after you give it to them. Know what I mean?

[Symmetry]

Then "graze' that materiel for yourself. They're paying groups to have homosexuals murdered, and you can't be bothered to take 5 seconds to google your own sources. You buy their food, you say nothing; YOU support the murder of gays.

I love food from Chick-Fil-A. I've never heard of this "Chic-Fil-A" that you keep writing about.

You are constantly making double and triple posts and using words like irregardless. And statements like:

There's no rational or scientific reason to oppose gay marriage.

I mean, really? No scientific reason? As a science person, I think I can give you a pretty good reason.

Although, this did make me laugh...sad if true though, but funny, nonetheless

I would be impressed if young liberal douchebags would take a stance against diamonds - since mercantilism is so destructive of an economic system that the United States fought a war of independence to overthrow it - in order to help Africa develop itself into a modern capitalistic civilization.

Many liberals are VERY against the diamond market, actually.

I told my girlfriend that I was gonna get her a Ruby engagement ring.

We're not together anymore.

Shirley you understand that some folks will object to what their money is funding, even if it harms their consumption of fried chicken in the short term.

If you feel strongly enough that the two are not connected, that's fine. I wouldn't go so far as to criticise those who see the connection and don't like Chick-Fil-A funding organisations that work towards executing gay people.

What is it that is being claimed that Chick-Fil-A funds?

I'll say this about donations to groups in general, anyone can donate to a group with the best of intentions and think that they are attempting to support something that they actually are not because a group isn't as up front about their actions. I don't know if that is the case here, but donations to groups don't get my temperature up because you can't control what a group will do with it after you give it to them. Know what I mean?

I actually think that that's a fair argument, and one that I've not heard so far from the Chick-Fil-A side, to be fair. Of course, I personally believe that their intentions were bad, but you're right to say that they may not have been quite as bad as they intended. Opposition to same sex marriage is bad in my book, but perhaps you are correct and the organisation had no idea that it was funding a push for executing homosexuals abroad.

Presumably it did at least know that the organisations it was funding were pushing for legal punishment of homosexuals.

[Juan_Bottom]

That's where I stand as well.
If "Chic-Fill-A" didn't want to pay other people to endorse the executions of homosexuals on their behalf*, why haven't they said "oh shit we're sorry, we didn't know!" It seems like now that this information is being passed around by everyone, this might be an appropriate time to speak up.

I once made the mistake of donating to a PETA animal rescue, and then later learned that PETA had been funding the fire-bombing of University laboratories. You better believe I felt terrible and told everyone not to donate to PETA.


*essentially keeping their hands "clean"

[Juan_Bottom]

Then "graze' that materiel for yourself. They're paying groups to have homosexuals murdered, and you can't be bothered to take 5 seconds to google your own sources. You buy their food, you say nothing; YOU support the murder of gays.

I love food from Chick-Fil-A. I've never heard of this "Chic-Fil-A" that you keep writing about.

You are constantly making double and triple posts and using words like irregardless. And statements like:

There's no rational or scientific reason to oppose gay marriage.

I mean, really? No scientific reason? As a science person, I think I can give you a pretty good reason.

ohhh, you're welcome to try.

[Phatscotty]

[Juan_Bottom]

When it comes to God and "Chic-Fill-A," you can plainly see something that many loud Atheists have been saying for years. Christianity is slowly dying in America, it's being killed by 1,000 cuts. These homophobic "Chic-Fill-A" customers are all holding onto a razor. They don't believe in God any more than I do, they just want to use the Bible to justify their own selfish, zealous homophobia, while ignoring the parts that would make their lives more difficult. Many of them have been quoting Leviticus for their anti-gay rhetoric, but they're ignoring all the other rules from Leviticus like mixing fabrics or having tattoos. "Chic-Fill-A" has been caught red-handed lying and bearing false witness, two crimes against the holy Commandments, but none of these Christians care in the slightest, so long as they can strut smugly about it in front of everyone who cares for equality. I've brought it up many times in this thread. They don't give a shit about their own God's Commandments. They hate gays more than they love their God.
"Chic-Fill-A" has been recognized for donating money to groups that promote vile & disgusting anti-homosexual lies & propaganda, and they also support the murder of Homosexuals. You think NS cares if these people claim that Homosexuals are all child-rapists? Nope, he doesn't believe that saying shit like that makes a group a hate group.And that sure as hell didn't slow down the sales of their damned chicken patties. In fact there are a few participating in this very thread like NS and Ray Rider who wont answer for the hate, murder, lies, and proudly broken Commandments, but they also don't care that we know what they're supporting. Ray Rider seems to love it.
This is why Christianity is slowly dying. It's not just the Science, it's the hypocritical Conservatives who say that they believe in God, but really they don't. They just want to play like they have the moral high ground while protecting people who murder homosexuals. They call it free speech.

[chapcrap]

@Juan I'm sorry, I can't respond to you any longer. If you can't bring yourself to respond to the criticisms I am making, then you don't deserve any more of my time.

@Symmetry I still don't know what has been claimed that they are supporting. The saw a coupld of groups and it was like $6,000 or something. Is that right? I mean, that's not really that much if that's the extent of their "bad" donations. One other thing to be said about any donations like this, are they coming from the corporate office or individual stores? Each store is individually franchised, like McDonald's is. So, I wonder if owners are making their own donations with amounts that small. And as far as knowing what you are donating to... Yeah, anyone should know what they are donating to and do so judiciously. However, with a large company, they could have donation suggestions from employees and not completely research it. I mean, that may not be the best policy. Another thing that could happen is that the company runs some contest and the winner gets money donated to the charity of their choice. There are so many different ways that things can happen with that. So, like I said, I'm probably not going to get ruffled about donating to groups. Now, if there were something that the company was actively doing itself that was wrong (like slipping fake lemon flavor into the lemonade ), then you might get a rise out of me.

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[Symmetry]

@Juan I'm sorry, I can't respond to you any longer. If you can't bring yourself to respond to the criticisms I am making, then you don't deserve any more of my time.

@Symmetry I still don't know what has been claimed that they are supporting. The saw a coupld of groups and it was like $6,000 or something. Is that right? I mean, that's not really that much if that's the extent of their "bad" donations. One other thing to be said about any donations like this, are they coming from the corporate office or individual stores? Each store is individually franchised, like McDonald's is. So, I wonder if owners are making their own donations with amounts that small. And as far as knowing what you are donating to... Yeah, anyone should know what they are donating to and do so judiciously. However, with a large company, they could have donation suggestions from employees and not completely research it. I mean, that may not be the best policy. Another thing that could happen is that the company runs some contest and the winner gets money donated to the charity of their choice. There are so many different ways that things can happen with that. So, like I said, I'm probably not going to get ruffled about donating to groups. Now, if there were something that the company was actively doing itself that was wrong (like slipping fake lemon flavor into the lemonade ), then you might get a rise out of me.

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I had no intention to get a rise out of you on this CC. Apologies if I came across that way. I think we basically disagree on a fundamental point of their business. You lean toward the basic end- providing fast food, and I lean toward looking at the ultimate destination of their money.

I can't separate the two parts, and although I can see the simplified view, it doesn't work for me if I know the end result is so bigotted.

[chapcrap]

I didn't think that you personally were trying to get a rise out of me. I was talking typing in generalities.

I think that corporations should watch where there money goes and be judicious about it, but unless you do a crazy thorough background check on every charity/group then you really limit yourselves on what you can give to.


Bottom line though: I seriously doubt they gave to anyone knowing that the group might kill people, promote the killing of people, or anything like that. Even if you have those beliefs, as a business, you can't make public donations to groups like that knowing that you are doing it. That's just awful practice. So, I think the charges are probably a little overblown and a lot is being made of it because of the comments that were made.

[Symmetry]

I didn't think that you personally were trying to get a rise out of me. I was talking typing in generalities.

I think that corporations should watch where there money goes and be judicious about it, but unless you do a crazy thorough background check on every charity/group then you really limit yourselves on what you can give to.


Bottom line though: I seriously doubt they gave to anyone knowing that the group might kill people, promote the killing of people, or anything like that. Even if you have those beliefs, as a business, you can't make public donations to groups like that knowing that you are doing it. That's just awful practice. So, I think the charges are probably a little overblown and a lot is being made of it because of the comments that were made.

Perhaps, but I've seen this argument often enough to be cynical. Say Nike being unaware of sweatshops. Bhopal in India. Shell and the murder of Ken Saro-Wiwa. Of course, these major corporations had no idea that they were paying for these abuses.

Now I feel that however tasty their chicken is, if they're giving money to organisations that are bigotted, and in some cases outright murderous, I would support people being aware of where their money is going.

[Woodruff]

Obviously this has a large multiplier effect on its short-term profits but it'll be interesting to see if the long-term loss of krustomers was worth it (vs. the loyalty of the gay bashers).

I think that's the key. It seems to be a short-term boon, but I'm not sure that will help long-term and may hinder (unknown, obviuosly).

To be honest, there are two reasons I rarely go to Chick-Fil-A: the free-standing store in my city (as opposed to the mall's food court, and I hate going to the mall) is always busy and their prices tend to be a little higher than I normally want to pay for fast food. I think a lot of the stores are busy during most of the week, so I doubt their bottom line will be hurt long-term. Because of yesterday's event, the store in my city actually had to close at 8:30 because they had run out of food.

They are a bit more expensive, but worth it in that regard, in my opinion (I LOVE WAFFLE FRIES!). And you're right that they're usually fairly busy, I've noticed that too...I just think that it's possible that this new information may hurt long-term as folks like myself who do like their food start to turn away from them.

[Juan_Bottom]

@Juan I'm sorry, I can't respond to you any longer. If you can't bring yourself to respond to the criticisms I am making, then you don't deserve any more of my time.

lolololwut?

What did you say that I didn't respond to that you think deserves a response?

[BigBallinStalin]

this makes no sense at all. If "the community" (in quotes because of how god damn vague that is) was against porn shops and strip clubs, then they wouldn't purchase the goods and services (puns not intended) but alas, there is a demand.

I'm going to have to pull a Voltaire and say that even though I think the arguments against gay marriage are utterly ludicrous and outdated, they have the right to have and say them. If "the community" thinks Chick-fil-a is a bunch of bigots, then they'll show it through the market.

It doesn't make sense because you are 12 and find the holocaust to be a hilarious. The point is that communities all across the US already ban porn shops and/or strip clubs because they don't feel that the businesses meet their communities moral standards. This argument is exponentially expandable.

If you want to say that a community doesn't have the right to ban "Chic-Fill-A" then you are consenting that no one has the right to ban porn shops either.

JB doesn't know what he's talking about. He forgets that his holistic treatment of society--as a single, decision-making entity--is fallacious in this circumstance. The point still stands that there is a demand for prostitution, gay marriage, etc., because individuals within the market opt for these goods and services. The community is composed of many different individuals--not an arbitrarily select group of homogeneous people, as JB has mistakenly believed to be true.

[Army of GOD]

this makes no sense at all. If "the community" (in quotes because of how god damn vague that is) was against porn shops and strip clubs, then they wouldn't purchase the goods and services (puns not intended) but alas, there is a demand.

I'm going to have to pull a Voltaire and say that even though I think the arguments against gay marriage are utterly ludicrous and outdated, they have the right to have and say them. If "the community" thinks Chick-fil-a is a bunch of bigots, then they'll show it through the market.

It doesn't make sense because you are 12 and find the holocaust to be a hilarious. The point is that communities all across the US already ban porn shops and/or strip clubs because they don't feel that the businesses meet their communities moral standards. This argument is exponentially expandable.

If you want to say that a community doesn't have the right to ban "Chic-Fill-A" then you are consenting that no one has the right to ban porn shops either.

JB doesn't know what he's talking about. He forgets that his holistic treatment of society--as a single, decision-making entity--is fallacious in this circumstance. The point still stands that there is a demand for prostitution, gay marriage, etc., because individuals within the market opt for these goods and services. The community is composed of many different individuals--not an arbitrarily select group of homogeneous people, as JB has mistakenly believed to be true.

That's what I'm trying to say. Much like gay marriage supporters claim that gay marriage has no impact on the anti-gay marriage people's lives, porn shops and strip clubs have no impact on those that don't want to go to them.

Obviously he didn't bother to go past the ad hominem attack so whatevski

[BigBallinStalin]

@Juan I'm sorry, I can't respond to you any longer. If you can't bring yourself to respond to the criticisms I am making, then you don't deserve any more of my time.
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Wise decision. JB isn't interested in having a logical debate. He wants to be seen while he screams and cries while lying on the floor.

[Woodruff]

That's what I'm trying to say. Much like gay marriage supporters claim that gay marriage has no impact on the anti-gay marriage people's lives, porn shops and strip clubs have no impact on those that don't want to go to them.

That is demonstrably not true, actually. The presence of porn shops and strip clubs can, for instance, devalue property in the area.

[GreecePwns]

Even so, anything can devalue or raise the value of property in an area, literally anything. In the fifties the presence of African-Americans devalued property.

That arugment has been used to go to ridiculous lengths to stop people from doing things with their own property.

[Woodruff]

Even so, anything can devalue or raise the value of property in an area, literally anything. In the fifties the presence of African-Americans devalued property.
That arugment has been used to go to ridiculous lengths to stop people from doing things with their own property.

That doesn't really counter the fact that those items do devalue property. That's the sum of the point I'm making, in response to "it doesn't affect anybody".

[Juan_Bottom]

this makes no sense at all. If "the community" (in quotes because of how god damn vague that is) was against porn shops and strip clubs, then they wouldn't purchase the goods and services (puns not intended) but alas, there is a demand.

I'm going to have to pull a Voltaire and say that even though I think the arguments against gay marriage are utterly ludicrous and outdated, they have the right to have and say them. If "the community" thinks Chick-fil-a is a bunch of bigots, then they'll show it through the market.

It doesn't make sense because you are 12 and find the holocaust to be a hilarious. The point is that communities all across the US already ban porn shops and/or strip clubs because they don't feel that the businesses meet their communities moral standards. This argument is exponentially expandable.

If you want to say that a community doesn't have the right to ban "Chic-Fill-A" then you are consenting that no one has the right to ban porn shops either.

JB doesn't know what he's talking about. He forgets that his holistic treatment of society--as a single, decision-making entity--is fallacious in this circumstance. The point still stands that there is a demand for prostitution, gay marriage, etc., because individuals within the market opt for these goods and services. The community is composed of many different individuals--not an arbitrarily select group of homogeneous people, as JB has mistakenly believed to be true.

That's what I'm trying to say. Much like gay marriage supporters claim that gay marriage has no impact on the anti-gay marriage people's lives, porn shops and strip clubs have no impact on those that don't want to go to them.

Obviously he didn't bother to go past the ad hominem attack so whatevski

That's actually the exact point that I made with the picture. You're just 12 and don't understand.

[Army of GOD]

I'm 12 and what is this?


anyway, your ignoring BBS' argument is a sign to me that you were talking out of your ass the entire time.

[Juan_Bottom]

I'm 12 and what is this?


anyway, your ignoring BBS' argument is a sign to me that you were talking out of your ass the entire time.

You can read what I wrote.
But I know that you wont understand it so I wont even quote myself.


BBS is on my foe list for making fun of Holocaust Victims and trying to argue with me that I'm a baby for being offended by dead Jew jokes or something.