If Marriage Is a Fundamental Right, Then?

[BigBallinStalin]

The Catholic Church is a large supporter of orphanages and adoptions, probably mostly because of it's stance on abortion. A friend of mine is an adopted child whose birth mother had as a condition of adoption that she be raised Catholic.

Just take a step back for a second and think about this. Wow.

A hugely rich organisaton funds orphanages across the world, and only gives out kids to couples when it has guarantees that those kids be indoctrinated from birth into that organisation's propaganda, an indoctrination that often lasts an entire lifetime.

Imagine for a moment we weren't talking about the church, but McDonalds or Coca Cola or someone doing this. The iChild, you can now get a kid but you have to sign a contract saying that any piece of tech you buy him/her has to be from Apple wherever Apple makes a version of that gadget. We want him hooked for life on our brand!

(Yes, a little sensationalist I admit, but I hope you can see the point here - and it's something that if your assertion is at least widespread practice, makes me not sad at all that the catholic church is being told to gtfo)

+1

[b.k. barunt]

Yes the Roman Catholic Church is arguably the most evil institution to ever shitstain this planet, and no, her charitable works cannot atone for the millions that she has tortured and killed over the years any more than John Wayne Gacy's occasional clowning for kids' birthday parties can atone for the bodies under his house.

Be that as it may, the fact remains that gay marriage is a step toward adoption of children by gays. Sure there are plenty of heterosexuals who would make worse parents, but is that even an arguable point. Shall i allow my kids to smoke cigarettes because the kids down the street smoke crack and that's worse than cigarettes?


Honibaz

[2dimes]

Well now I'm a combination of the villiage idiot and a quitter in the other thread but.

Adoption != marriage. Keep fishing, PS.

I think where he was going there is he felt that the marriage debate forced the adoption guys to shut down which was going to leave the orphans without an agency to help them.

It's reaching but I'm simpathetic about the theory.

I do think they are not a very good group if instead of trying to make a stand they just say, "Fine then, we're out bro."

[Lootifer]

Do you get govt funding if you are a licensed adoption agency?

Do you get govt funding if you are a licensed marriage celebrant?

This wasn't rhetorical FYI...

[Woodruff]

Oh and in case you're wondering how you became a Morman, one that used to hang out here had a Spock avatar.

You mean demonfork? He only used that avatar to poke at me. Seriously.

(I was wondering, though.)

[Woodruff]

Yes the Roman Catholic Church is arguably the most evil institution to ever shitstain this planet, and no, her charitable works cannot atone for the millions that she has tortured and killed over the years any more than John Wayne Gacy's occasional clowning for kids' birthday parties can atone for the bodies under his house.

Be that as it may, the fact remains that gay marriage is a step toward adoption of children by gays. Sure there are plenty of heterosexuals who would make worse parents, but is that even an arguable point. Shall i allow my kids to smoke cigarettes because the kids down the street smoke crack and that's worse than cigarettes? Niggaplease.
Honibaz

When you're comparing homosexuals adopting children to smoking cigarettes, there may be an issue with your argument.

And yes, it IS an arguable point that there are plenty of heterosexuals who would make worse parents...in fact, that's a vital point because it destroys by itself the thought that there is an inherent problem with homosexuals raising children.

[Woodruff]

Do you get govt funding if you are a licensed adoption agency?

Do you get govt funding if you are a licensed marriage celebrant?

This wasn't rhetorical FYI...

Were you asking Phatscotty? Because if you were, you may as well just accept that it was de facto rhetorical.

[Symmetry]

Do you get govt funding if you are a licensed adoption agency?

Do you get govt funding if you are a licensed marriage celebrant?

This wasn't rhetorical FYI...

Were you asking Phatscotty? Because if you were, you may as well just accept that it was de facto rhetorical.

If not, he might have to clarify.

[Lootifer]

lol I just want an answer. i thought the questions were pretty simple

[Symmetry]

lol I just want an answer. i thought the questions were pretty simple

Well, I guess in the UK, adoption agencies are run as charities, so they get don't get taxed.

[AslanTheKing]

a kid deserves a mom and a dad

so why do gay people want to have the RIGHT to adopt children, why ?
cause u want to feel like dad and mom?
how can two guys be dad and mom
please , help me here

or two woman want to adopt a kid
and want to feel like a man and a woman

i dont care what u want to feel in society

i care about a kid who deserves a mom and a dad
simple said
that child cant choose
but that same child has been made from a dad and a mom, or a woman and a man

youre gay?
so what
we love u
ure welcome in our society, what do you want now?
a child?
well, then make one
u cant?
i am sorry for you, but that s the way it works

but u want a baby?
oh, then i am puzzled, cause its not possible, i think?

u want to adopt a baby
oh, now i get a bit confused


next scenario
a man and a woman love horses,
i want to have a horse baby

doesnt work,

okay, than i adopt one
works, its an animal, who cares

a monkey wants a baby from a human
doesnt work, why?=?=
i dont know

try it

make this short

gays, welcome in our society, live your life from day one
but accept, its not possible, why enforce it?

i know, there are baaaad parents on this world,they cant cope with them selves, so they cant cope with their kids,
but those kids of those unable parents, love their mum and dad for sure

i dont need in this world
two gays who maybe cant cope with their kids, its possible

so why play with childrens souls?

gays can marry each other, i support that, feel the love
and sometimes , feel the divorce

but , please dont get further
children are not part of your plan, and shouldnt be
#
enjoy your live , but let kids out of this, please

or i will marry a monkey next year

[Symmetry]

a kid deserves a mom and a dad so why do gay people want to have the RIGHT to adopt children, why ? cause u want to feel like dad and mom? how can two guys be dad and mom please , help me here

or two woman want to adopt a kid and want to feel like a man and a woman

i dont care what u want to feel in society

i care about a kid who deserves a mom and a dad simple said that child cant choose but that same child has been made from a dad and a mom, or a woman and a man

youre gay? so what we love u ure welcome in our society, what do you want now? a child? well, then make one u cant? i am sorry for you, but that s the way it works but u want a baby? oh, then i am puzzled, cause its not possible, i think? u want to adopt a baby oh, now i get a bit confused

next scenario a man and a woman love horses, i want to have a horse baby doesnt work, okay, than i adopt one works, its an animal, who cares a monkey wants a baby from a human doesnt work, why?=?= i dont know try it make this short gays, welcome in our society, live your life from day one but accept, its not possible, why enforce it?

i know, there are baaaad parents on this world,they cant cope with them selves, so they cant cope with their kids, but those kids of those unable parents, love their mum and dad for sure i dont need in this world two gays who maybe cant cope with their kids, its possible so why play with childrens souls? gays can marry each other, i support that, feel the love and sometimes , feel the divorce but , please dont get further children are not part of your plan, and shouldnt be # enjoy your live , but let kids out of this, please or i will marry a monkey next year

You're a real charmer. Still, I'm ok with you trying to marry a monkey next year.

[AAFitz]

It isnt so much that marriage is a fundamental right, its that equality is a fundamental right.

They mention it in the constitution. Take some time and look it up maybe when you get banned again.

[Symmetry]

Looks like Scotty changed the topic again.

[AslanTheKing]

You're a real charmer. Still, I'm ok with you trying to marry a monkey next year.

and if, i wouldnt be able to have kids.....
so , shall i adopt one?

i defend my right to marry a monkey, and because icant have children with the MALE monkey
i deserve the right to adopt a human baby

thats the next step

forget it

gays are welcome in society , because they are gays, its fine with me

as soon children come into play

you will hear the lion roar

[Symmetry]

You're a real charmer. Still, I'm ok with you trying to marry a monkey next year.

and if, i wouldnt be able to have kids.....
so , shall i adopt one?

i defend my right to marry a monkey, and because icant have children with the MALE monkey
i deserve the right to adopt a human baby

thats the next step

forget it

gays are welcome in society , because they are gays, its fine with me

as soon children come into play

you will hear the lion roar

I don't think lions roar about gay adoption, they've always seemed pretty equal opportunity to me.

[Juan_Bottom]

Every single study that has ever been done aside from those linked to religious groups, EVERY ONE, has shown that there is no difference between the development of a child raised by gay parents and a child raised by hetero parents. There have been a few that suggest that kids may go through a "homophobia" phase around the age 10 or 12 as a result of teasing, but that's it.

And given the absolutely huge number of kids in the foster & adoption system, one has to wonder why you hate orphans so much that you won't let them have a family who will love and support them. Heterosexual couples simply can't or won't take care of enough Orphans and Foster children.

[Symmetry]

And, of course, even single people can adopt.

[Woodruff]

a kid deserves a mom and a dad

Do you believe that single parents shouldn't be allowed to raise children?

youre gay?
so what
we love u
ure welcome in our society, what do you want now?
a child?
well, then make one
u cant?
i am sorry for you, but that s the way it works

Do you believe an infertile couple shouldn't be allowed to raise children?

i know, there are baaaad parents on this world,they cant cope with them selves, so they cant cope with their kids,
but those kids of those unable parents, love their mum and dad for sure

No. No, that's definitely not "for sure". Most of the time, probably. But definitely not "for sure".

[Woodruff]

Looks like Scotty changed the topic again.

He is consistent about one thing, and that is his inconsistency.

[b.k. barunt]

Yes the Roman Catholic Church is arguably the most evil institution to ever shitstain this planet, and no, her charitable works cannot atone for the millions that she has tortured and killed over the years any more than John Wayne Gacy's occasional clowning for kids' birthday parties can atone for the bodies under his house.

Be that as it may, the fact remains that gay marriage is a step toward adoption of children by gays. Sure there are plenty of heterosexuals who would make worse parents, but is that even an arguable point. Shall i allow my kids to smoke cigarettes because the kids down the street smoke crack and that's worse than cigarettes? Niggaplease.
Honibaz

When you're comparing homosexuals adopting children to smoking cigarettes, there may be an issue with your argument.

And yes, it IS an arguable point that there are plenty of heterosexuals who would make worse parents...in fact, that's a vital point because it destroys by itself the thought that there is an inherent problem with homosexuals raising children.

Amazing. Woodruff, if you're going to disagree with me at least do me (and any innocent bystanders) the courtesy of providing an argument. Doesn't have to be a clever or even an interesting argument, just something more than "yes it is" or "no it isn't" or "iknowyouarebutwhatami?". Sometimes i feel like you're trying to involve me in an argument you're having with yourself.


Honibaz

[Woodruff]

Yes the Roman Catholic Church is arguably the most evil institution to ever shitstain this planet, and no, her charitable works cannot atone for the millions that she has tortured and killed over the years any more than John Wayne Gacy's occasional clowning for kids' birthday parties can atone for the bodies under his house.

Be that as it may, the fact remains that gay marriage is a step toward adoption of children by gays. Sure there are plenty of heterosexuals who would make worse parents, but is that even an arguable point. Shall i allow my kids to smoke cigarettes because the kids down the street smoke crack and that's worse than cigarettes? Niggaplease.
Honibaz

When you're comparing homosexuals adopting children to smoking cigarettes, there may be an issue with your argument.

And yes, it IS an arguable point that there are plenty of heterosexuals who would make worse parents...in fact, that's a vital point because it destroys by itself the thought that there is an inherent problem with homosexuals raising children.

Amazing. Woodruff, if you're going to disagree with me at least do me (and any innocent bystanders) the courtesy of providing an argument. Doesn't have to be a clever or even an interesting argument, just something more than "yes it is" or "no it isn't" or "iknowyouarebutwhatami?". Sometimes i feel like you're trying to involve me in an argument you're having with yourself.

I did. Just because you don't like the point doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. As I clearly stated, the fact that there are many heterosexuals who would make worse parents is a very key point, because it destroys the idea that there is an inherent problem with homosexuals raising children.

[b.k. barunt]

Every single study that has ever been done aside from those linked to religious groups, EVERY ONE, has shown that there is no difference between the development of a child raised by gay parents and a child raised by hetero parents. .

I like this. "Every single study" eh? Lets rephrase your statement in a slightly more honest form: Every single study by pro-gays has shown there is no difference . . . while studies from anti-gays show different results. Looks a bit different now doesn't it?


Honibaz

[b.k. barunt]

Yes the Roman Catholic Church is arguably the most evil institution to ever shitstain this planet, and no, her charitable works cannot atone for the millions that she has tortured and killed over the years any more than John Wayne Gacy's occasional clowning for kids' birthday parties can atone for the bodies under his house.

Be that as it may, the fact remains that gay marriage is a step toward adoption of children by gays. Sure there are plenty of heterosexuals who would make worse parents, but is that even an arguable point. Shall i allow my kids to smoke cigarettes because the kids down the street smoke crack and that's worse than cigarettes? Niggaplease.
Honibaz

When you're comparing homosexuals adopting children to smoking cigarettes, there may be an issue with your argument.

And yes, it IS an arguable point that there are plenty of heterosexuals who would make worse parents...in fact, that's a vital point because it destroys by itself the thought that there is an inherent problem with homosexuals raising children.

Amazing. Woodruff, if you're going to disagree with me at least do me (and any innocent bystanders) the courtesy of providing an argument. Doesn't have to be a clever or even an interesting argument, just something more than "yes it is" or "no it isn't" or "iknowyouarebutwhatami?". Sometimes i feel like you're trying to involve me in an argument you're having with yourself.

I did. Just because you don't like the point doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. As I clearly stated, the fact that there are many heterosexuals who would make worse parents is a very key point, because it destroys the idea that there is an inherent problem with homosexuals raising children.

<head explodes>

[2dimes]

And given the absolutely huge number of kids in the foster & adoption system, one has to wonder why you hate orphans so much that you won't let them have a family who will love and support them. Heterosexual couples simply can't or won't take care of enough Orphans and Foster children.

I'm all messed up. So the first thing I wonder reading that is why are there so many stories of people having to wait years to adopt.