Conquer Club

If Marriage Is a Fundamental Right, Then?

\\OFF-TOPIC// conversations about everything that has nothing to do with Conquer Club.

Moderator: Community Team

Forum rules
Please read the Community Guidelines before posting.

Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:40 am

crispybits wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:The Catholic Church is a large supporter of orphanages and adoptions, probably mostly because of it's stance on abortion. A friend of mine is an adopted child whose birth mother had as a condition of adoption that she be raised Catholic.


Just take a step back for a second and think about this. Wow.

A hugely rich organisaton funds orphanages across the world, and only gives out kids to couples when it has guarantees that those kids be indoctrinated from birth into that organisation's propaganda, an indoctrination that often lasts an entire lifetime.

Imagine for a moment we weren't talking about the church, but McDonalds or Coca Cola or someone doing this. The iChild, you can now get a kid but you have to sign a contract saying that any piece of tech you buy him/her has to be from Apple wherever Apple makes a version of that gadget. We want him hooked for life on our brand!

(Yes, a little sensationalist I admit, but I hope you can see the point here - and it's something that if your assertion is at least widespread practice, makes me not sad at all that the catholic church is being told to gtfo)


+1
User avatar
Major BigBallinStalin
 
Posts: 5151
Joined: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:23 pm
Location: crying into the dregs of an empty bottle of own-brand scotch on the toilet having a dump in Dagenham

Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby b.k. barunt on Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:22 pm

Yes the Roman Catholic Church is arguably the most evil institution to ever shitstain this planet, and no, her charitable works cannot atone for the millions that she has tortured and killed over the years any more than John Wayne Gacy's occasional clowning for kids' birthday parties can atone for the bodies under his house.

Be that as it may, the fact remains that gay marriage is a step toward adoption of children by gays. Sure there are plenty of heterosexuals who would make worse parents, but is that even an arguable point. Shall i allow my kids to smoke cigarettes because the kids down the street smoke crack and that's worse than cigarettes?


Honibaz
User avatar
Cook b.k. barunt
 
Posts: 1270
Joined: Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:33 pm

Postby 2dimes on Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:27 pm

Well now I'm a combination of the villiage idiot and a quitter in the other thread but.
BigBallinStalin wrote:Adoption != marriage. Keep fishing, PS.

I think where he was going there is he felt that the marriage debate forced the adoption guys to shut down which was going to leave the orphans without an agency to help them.

It's reaching but I'm simpathetic about the theory.

I do think they are not a very good group if instead of trying to make a stand they just say, "Fine then, we're out bro."
User avatar
Corporal 2dimes
 
Posts: 13095
Joined: Wed May 31, 2006 1:08 pm
Location: Pepperoni Hug Spot.

Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Lootifer on Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:20 pm

Lootifer wrote:Do you get govt funding if you are a licensed adoption agency?

Do you get govt funding if you are a licensed marriage celebrant?

This wasn't rhetorical FYI...
I go to the gym to justify my mockery of fat people.
User avatar
Lieutenant Lootifer
 
Posts: 1084
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:30 pm
Location: Competing

Re:

Postby Woodruff on Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:37 pm

2dimes wrote:Oh and in case you're wondering how you became a Morman, one that used to hang out here had a Spock avatar.


You mean demonfork? He only used that avatar to poke at me. Seriously.

(I was wondering, though.)
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
User avatar
Corporal 1st Class Woodruff
 
Posts: 5093
Joined: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:15 am

Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Woodruff on Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:40 pm

b.k. barunt wrote:Yes the Roman Catholic Church is arguably the most evil institution to ever shitstain this planet, and no, her charitable works cannot atone for the millions that she has tortured and killed over the years any more than John Wayne Gacy's occasional clowning for kids' birthday parties can atone for the bodies under his house.

Be that as it may, the fact remains that gay marriage is a step toward adoption of children by gays. Sure there are plenty of heterosexuals who would make worse parents, but is that even an arguable point. Shall i allow my kids to smoke cigarettes because the kids down the street smoke crack and that's worse than cigarettes? Niggaplease.
Honibaz


When you're comparing homosexuals adopting children to smoking cigarettes, there may be an issue with your argument.

And yes, it IS an arguable point that there are plenty of heterosexuals who would make worse parents...in fact, that's a vital point because it destroys by itself the thought that there is an inherent problem with homosexuals raising children.
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
User avatar
Corporal 1st Class Woodruff
 
Posts: 5093
Joined: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:15 am

Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Woodruff on Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:41 pm

Lootifer wrote:
Lootifer wrote:Do you get govt funding if you are a licensed adoption agency?

Do you get govt funding if you are a licensed marriage celebrant?

This wasn't rhetorical FYI...


Were you asking Phatscotty? Because if you were, you may as well just accept that it was de facto rhetorical.
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
User avatar
Corporal 1st Class Woodruff
 
Posts: 5093
Joined: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:15 am

Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:21 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Lootifer wrote:
Lootifer wrote:Do you get govt funding if you are a licensed adoption agency?

Do you get govt funding if you are a licensed marriage celebrant?

This wasn't rhetorical FYI...


Were you asking Phatscotty? Because if you were, you may as well just accept that it was de facto rhetorical.


If not, he might have to clarify.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
User avatar
Sergeant Symmetry
 
Posts: 9255
Joined: Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:49 am

Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Lootifer on Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:55 pm

lol I just want an answer. i thought the questions were pretty simple
I go to the gym to justify my mockery of fat people.
User avatar
Lieutenant Lootifer
 
Posts: 1084
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:30 pm
Location: Competing

Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:00 pm

Lootifer wrote:lol I just want an answer. i thought the questions were pretty simple


Well, I guess in the UK, adoption agencies are run as charities, so they get don't get taxed.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
User avatar
Sergeant Symmetry
 
Posts: 9255
Joined: Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:49 am

Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby AslanTheKing on Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:36 pm

a kid deserves a mom and a dad

so why do gay people want to have the RIGHT to adopt children, why ?
cause u want to feel like dad and mom?
how can two guys be dad and mom
please , help me here

or two woman want to adopt a kid
and want to feel like a man and a woman

i dont care what u want to feel in society

i care about a kid who deserves a mom and a dad
simple said
that child cant choose
but that same child has been made from a dad and a mom, or a woman and a man

youre gay?
so what
we love u
ure welcome in our society, what do you want now?
a child?
well, then make one
u cant?
i am sorry for you, but that s the way it works

but u want a baby?
oh, then i am puzzled, cause its not possible, i think?

u want to adopt a baby
oh, now i get a bit confused


next scenario
a man and a woman love horses,
i want to have a horse baby

doesnt work,

okay, than i adopt one
works, its an animal, who cares

a monkey wants a baby from a human
doesnt work, why?=?=
i dont know

try it

make this short

gays, welcome in our society, live your life from day one
but accept, its not possible, why enforce it?

i know, there are baaaad parents on this world,they cant cope with them selves, so they cant cope with their kids,
but those kids of those unable parents, love their mum and dad for sure

i dont need in this world
two gays who maybe cant cope with their kids, its possible

so why play with childrens souls?

gays can marry each other, i support that, feel the love
and sometimes , feel the divorce

but , please dont get further
children are not part of your plan, and shouldnt be
#
enjoy your live , but let kids out of this, please

or i will marry a monkey next year
I used to roll the daizz
Feel the fear in my enemy´s eyes
Listen as the crowd would sing:

Long live the Army Of Kings !


AOK

show: AOK Rocks
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class AslanTheKing
 
Posts: 1223
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:36 am
Location: Hamburg, Germany

Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:52 pm

AslanTheKing wrote:a kid deserves a mom and a dad so why do gay people want to have the RIGHT to adopt children, why ? cause u want to feel like dad and mom? how can two guys be dad and mom please , help me here

or two woman want to adopt a kid and want to feel like a man and a woman

i dont care what u want to feel in society

i care about a kid who deserves a mom and a dad simple said that child cant choose but that same child has been made from a dad and a mom, or a woman and a man

youre gay? so what we love u ure welcome in our society, what do you want now? a child? well, then make one u cant? i am sorry for you, but that s the way it works but u want a baby? oh, then i am puzzled, cause its not possible, i think? u want to adopt a baby oh, now i get a bit confused

next scenario a man and a woman love horses, i want to have a horse baby doesnt work, okay, than i adopt one works, its an animal, who cares a monkey wants a baby from a human doesnt work, why?=?= i dont know try it make this short gays, welcome in our society, live your life from day one but accept, its not possible, why enforce it?

i know, there are baaaad parents on this world,they cant cope with them selves, so they cant cope with their kids, but those kids of those unable parents, love their mum and dad for sure i dont need in this world two gays who maybe cant cope with their kids, its possible so why play with childrens souls? gays can marry each other, i support that, feel the love and sometimes , feel the divorce but , please dont get further children are not part of your plan, and shouldnt be # enjoy your live , but let kids out of this, please or i will marry a monkey next year


You're a real charmer. Still, I'm ok with you trying to marry a monkey next year.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
User avatar
Sergeant Symmetry
 
Posts: 9255
Joined: Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:49 am

Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby AAFitz on Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:06 pm

It isnt so much that marriage is a fundamental right, its that equality is a fundamental right.

They mention it in the constitution. Take some time and look it up maybe when you get banned again. :lol:
I'm Spanking Monkey now....err...I mean I'm a Spanking Monkey now...that shoots milk
Too much. I know.
Sergeant 1st Class AAFitz
 
Posts: 7270
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:47 am
Location: On top of the World 2.1

Re: Marriage

Postby Symmetry on Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:16 pm

Looks like Scotty changed the topic again.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
User avatar
Sergeant Symmetry
 
Posts: 9255
Joined: Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:49 am

Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby AslanTheKing on Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:20 pm

Symmetry wrote:
You're a real charmer. Still, I'm ok with you trying to marry a monkey next year.


and if, i wouldnt be able to have kids.....
so , shall i adopt one?

i defend my right to marry a monkey, and because icant have children with the MALE monkey
i deserve the right to adopt a human baby

thats the next step

forget it

gays are welcome in society , because they are gays, its fine with me

as soon children come into play

you will hear the lion roar
I used to roll the daizz
Feel the fear in my enemy´s eyes
Listen as the crowd would sing:

Long live the Army Of Kings !


AOK

show: AOK Rocks
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class AslanTheKing
 
Posts: 1223
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:36 am
Location: Hamburg, Germany

Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:25 pm

AslanTheKing wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
You're a real charmer. Still, I'm ok with you trying to marry a monkey next year.


and if, i wouldnt be able to have kids.....
so , shall i adopt one?

i defend my right to marry a monkey, and because icant have children with the MALE monkey
i deserve the right to adopt a human baby

thats the next step

forget it

gays are welcome in society , because they are gays, its fine with me

as soon children come into play

you will hear the lion roar


I don't think lions roar about gay adoption, they've always seemed pretty equal opportunity to me.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
User avatar
Sergeant Symmetry
 
Posts: 9255
Joined: Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:49 am

Re: Marriage

Postby Juan_Bottom on Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:42 pm

Every single study that has ever been done aside from those linked to religious groups, EVERY ONE, has shown that there is no difference between the development of a child raised by gay parents and a child raised by hetero parents. There have been a few that suggest that kids may go through a "homophobia" phase around the age 10 or 12 as a result of teasing, but that's it.

And given the absolutely huge number of kids in the foster & adoption system, one has to wonder why you hate orphans so much that you won't let them have a family who will love and support them. Heterosexual couples simply can't or won't take care of enough Orphans and Foster children.
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class Juan_Bottom
 
Posts: 1110
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 4:59 pm
Location: USA RULES! WHOOO!!!!

Re: Marriage

Postby Symmetry on Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:50 pm

And, of course, even single people can adopt.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
User avatar
Sergeant Symmetry
 
Posts: 9255
Joined: Sat Feb 24, 2007 5:49 am

Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Woodruff on Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:59 am

AslanTheKing wrote:a kid deserves a mom and a dad


Do you believe that single parents shouldn't be allowed to raise children?

AslanTheKing wrote:youre gay?
so what
we love u
ure welcome in our society, what do you want now?
a child?
well, then make one
u cant?
i am sorry for you, but that s the way it works


Do you believe an infertile couple shouldn't be allowed to raise children?

AslanTheKing wrote:i know, there are baaaad parents on this world,they cant cope with them selves, so they cant cope with their kids,
but those kids of those unable parents, love their mum and dad for sure


No. No, that's definitely not "for sure". Most of the time, probably. But definitely not "for sure".
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
User avatar
Corporal 1st Class Woodruff
 
Posts: 5093
Joined: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:15 am

Re: Marriage

Postby Woodruff on Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:00 am

Symmetry wrote:Looks like Scotty changed the topic again.


He is consistent about one thing, and that is his inconsistency.
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
User avatar
Corporal 1st Class Woodruff
 
Posts: 5093
Joined: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:15 am

Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby b.k. barunt on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:29 am

Woodruff wrote:
b.k. barunt wrote:Yes the Roman Catholic Church is arguably the most evil institution to ever shitstain this planet, and no, her charitable works cannot atone for the millions that she has tortured and killed over the years any more than John Wayne Gacy's occasional clowning for kids' birthday parties can atone for the bodies under his house.

Be that as it may, the fact remains that gay marriage is a step toward adoption of children by gays. Sure there are plenty of heterosexuals who would make worse parents, but is that even an arguable point. Shall i allow my kids to smoke cigarettes because the kids down the street smoke crack and that's worse than cigarettes? Niggaplease.
Honibaz


When you're comparing homosexuals adopting children to smoking cigarettes, there may be an issue with your argument.

And yes, it IS an arguable point that there are plenty of heterosexuals who would make worse parents...in fact, that's a vital point because it destroys by itself the thought that there is an inherent problem with homosexuals raising children.


Amazing. Woodruff, if you're going to disagree with me at least do me (and any innocent bystanders) the courtesy of providing an argument. Doesn't have to be a clever or even an interesting argument, just something more than "yes it is" or "no it isn't" or "iknowyouarebutwhatami?". Sometimes i feel like you're trying to involve me in an argument you're having with yourself.


Honibaz
User avatar
Cook b.k. barunt
 
Posts: 1270
Joined: Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:33 pm

Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby Woodruff on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:32 am

b.k. barunt wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
b.k. barunt wrote:Yes the Roman Catholic Church is arguably the most evil institution to ever shitstain this planet, and no, her charitable works cannot atone for the millions that she has tortured and killed over the years any more than John Wayne Gacy's occasional clowning for kids' birthday parties can atone for the bodies under his house.

Be that as it may, the fact remains that gay marriage is a step toward adoption of children by gays. Sure there are plenty of heterosexuals who would make worse parents, but is that even an arguable point. Shall i allow my kids to smoke cigarettes because the kids down the street smoke crack and that's worse than cigarettes? Niggaplease.
Honibaz


When you're comparing homosexuals adopting children to smoking cigarettes, there may be an issue with your argument.

And yes, it IS an arguable point that there are plenty of heterosexuals who would make worse parents...in fact, that's a vital point because it destroys by itself the thought that there is an inherent problem with homosexuals raising children.


Amazing. Woodruff, if you're going to disagree with me at least do me (and any innocent bystanders) the courtesy of providing an argument. Doesn't have to be a clever or even an interesting argument, just something more than "yes it is" or "no it isn't" or "iknowyouarebutwhatami?". Sometimes i feel like you're trying to involve me in an argument you're having with yourself.


I did. Just because you don't like the point doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. As I clearly stated, the fact that there are many heterosexuals who would make worse parents is a very key point, because it destroys the idea that there is an inherent problem with homosexuals raising children.
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
User avatar
Corporal 1st Class Woodruff
 
Posts: 5093
Joined: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:15 am

Re: Marriage

Postby b.k. barunt on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:43 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:Every single study that has ever been done aside from those linked to religious groups, EVERY ONE, has shown that there is no difference between the development of a child raised by gay parents and a child raised by hetero parents. .


I like this. "Every single study" eh? Lets rephrase your statement in a slightly more honest form: Every single study by pro-gays has shown there is no difference . . . while studies from anti-gays show different results. Looks a bit different now doesn't it?


Honibaz
User avatar
Cook b.k. barunt
 
Posts: 1270
Joined: Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:33 pm

Re: If Marriage Is a Fundemental Right, Then...?

Postby b.k. barunt on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:45 am

Woodruff wrote:
b.k. barunt wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
b.k. barunt wrote:Yes the Roman Catholic Church is arguably the most evil institution to ever shitstain this planet, and no, her charitable works cannot atone for the millions that she has tortured and killed over the years any more than John Wayne Gacy's occasional clowning for kids' birthday parties can atone for the bodies under his house.

Be that as it may, the fact remains that gay marriage is a step toward adoption of children by gays. Sure there are plenty of heterosexuals who would make worse parents, but is that even an arguable point. Shall i allow my kids to smoke cigarettes because the kids down the street smoke crack and that's worse than cigarettes? Niggaplease.
Honibaz


When you're comparing homosexuals adopting children to smoking cigarettes, there may be an issue with your argument.

And yes, it IS an arguable point that there are plenty of heterosexuals who would make worse parents...in fact, that's a vital point because it destroys by itself the thought that there is an inherent problem with homosexuals raising children.


Amazing. Woodruff, if you're going to disagree with me at least do me (and any innocent bystanders) the courtesy of providing an argument. Doesn't have to be a clever or even an interesting argument, just something more than "yes it is" or "no it isn't" or "iknowyouarebutwhatami?". Sometimes i feel like you're trying to involve me in an argument you're having with yourself.


I did. Just because you don't like the point doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. As I clearly stated, the fact that there are many heterosexuals who would make worse parents is a very key point, because it destroys the idea that there is an inherent problem with homosexuals raising children.


<head explodes>
User avatar
Cook b.k. barunt
 
Posts: 1270
Joined: Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:33 pm

Re: Marriage

Postby 2dimes on Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:25 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:
And given the absolutely huge number of kids in the foster & adoption system, one has to wonder why you hate orphans so much that you won't let them have a family who will love and support them. Heterosexual couples simply can't or won't take care of enough Orphans and Foster children.


I'm all messed up. So the first thing I wonder reading that is why are there so many stories of people having to wait years to adopt.
User avatar
Corporal 2dimes
 
Posts: 13095
Joined: Wed May 31, 2006 1:08 pm
Location: Pepperoni Hug Spot.

PreviousNext

Return to Acceptable Content

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: DirtyDishSoap