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Metsfanmax wrote:When your innate tendencies harm others, they have to be controlled by society at large. We don't give serial killers a free pass just because they were born that way. It's different for gay people because their innate tendency doesn't actually harm others.
natty_dread wrote:Children, by definition, cannot offer consent to have sex with adults. They are not considered capable of making such a choice, thus we protect them by age-of-consent laws.
Pedophiles are thus, by definition, having non-consensual sex. There's another word for that: rape.
Ergo: the argument "pedophilia should be accepted if gays are" is equivalent to the argument that rape should be legal.
Also, being a racist or sexist is not comparable as neither is something that is out of your control, unlike your sexual preferences. You can affect your own opinions, you can work on your prejudices and make a conscious effort to educate yourself out of your racism or sexism.
Also, AoG, since you think being gay is a choice, I challenge you to become gay for a week.






















Army of GOD wrote:natty_dread wrote:Children, by definition, cannot offer consent to have sex with adults. They are not considered capable of making such a choice, thus we protect them by age-of-consent laws.
That definition is extremely subjective. Like I mentioned in another thread a few months ago, what if a 12 year old boy who has passed puberty consents to having sex with a 30 year old woman and there is absolutely no emotional or physical damage to the boy? What harm has been done?






























Army of GOD wrote:
Pretty much everyone on this site is sickened by pedophiles. But, if being attracted to the same sex is something that a person can't control, why can't being attracted to prepubescent kids be something pedophiles can't control?
Army of GOD wrote:And, if people concede that pedophilia is in fact something that a pedophile can't control, why is there such a harsh attitude towards these people?
Army of GOD wrote:Not only that but is it a racist's fault that they're racist? Or a sexist's fault that they're sexist?
Army of GOD wrote:At what point do thoughts of a person become a choice instead of them being born with it?









































Metsfanmax wrote:Does free will exist? Do people really make choices?








Metsfanmax wrote:Does free will exist? Do people really make choices?



















Metsfanmax wrote:Does free will exist? Do people really make choices?

















BigBallinStalin wrote:In life, you can throw up your hands and say, "my environment controls me! I have exert hardly any influence."
Or, you can say, "Although my environment does influence me, I can still exert influence over it in order to forge my own 'fate.' "
It mainly depends on whether you exhibit an external locus of control, or an internal locus of control.
























Metsfanmax wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:In life, you can throw up your hands and say, "my environment controls me! I have exert hardly any influence."
Or, you can say, "Although my environment does influence me, I can still exert influence over it in order to forge my own 'fate.' "
It mainly depends on whether you exhibit an external locus of control, or an internal locus of control.
But is the decision you make actually the result of true choice? Or is it simply how you were programmed to think? Is it really more than chemical interactions in the brain that our minds don't control?




















Metsfanmax wrote:Does free will exist?
Metsfanmax wrote:Do people really make choices?

















Army of GOD wrote:Alright, so I'm still not convinced being gay is not a choice. I have absolutely no problem with gays or them being married. I just really don't think it's innate.
Anyway, let's just say it isn't a choice. That brings up the question...what is?
Pretty much everyone on this site is sickened by pedophiles. But, if being attracted to the same sex is something that a person can't control, why can't being attracted to prepubescent kids be something pedophiles can't control? And, if people concede that pedophilia is in fact something that a pedophile can't control, why is there such a harsh attitude towards these people?
Not only that but is it a racist's fault that they're racist? Or a sexist's fault that they're sexist?
At what point do thoughts of a person become a choice instead of them being born with it?
















Army of GOD wrote:Alright, so I'm still not convinced being gay is not a choice. I have absolutely no problem with gays or them being married. I just really don't think it's innate.
Anyway, let's just say it isn't a choice. That brings up the question...what is?
Pretty much everyone on this site is sickened by pedophiles. But, if being attracted to the same sex is something that a person can't control, why can't being attracted to prepubescent kids be something pedophiles can't control? And, if people concede that pedophilia is in fact something that a pedophile can't control, why is there such a harsh attitude towards these people?
Not only that but is it a racist's fault that they're racist? Or a sexist's fault that they're sexist?
At what point do thoughts of a person become a choice instead of them being born with it?

























natty_dread wrote:Do ponies have sex?
(proud member of the Occasionally Wrongly Banned)Army of GOD wrote:the term heterosexual is offensive. I prefer to be called "normal"








Lootifer wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:Does free will exist? Do people really make choices?
I answered 25/50/25; where do you think it is?






















Aradhus wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:Does free will exist?
No.Metsfanmax wrote:Do people really make choices?
Yes.
































Metsfanmax wrote:Aradhus wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:Does free will exist?
No.Metsfanmax wrote:Do people really make choices?
Yes.
These answers are incompatible. A lack of existence of free will implies that one does not have the capability of actually making choices; that is, your actions (the ones you perceive as choices) are truly predetermined from the start. What we perceive as choice is simply the result of complex interactions in the brain governed by immutable physical laws of the universe.
















Metsfanmax wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:In life, you can throw up your hands and say, "my environment controls me! I have exert hardly any influence."
Or, you can say, "Although my environment does influence me, I can still exert influence over it in order to forge my own 'fate.' "
It mainly depends on whether you exhibit an external locus of control, or an internal locus of control.
But is the decision you make actually the result of true choice? Or is it simply how you were programmed to think? Is it really more than chemical interactions in the brain that our minds don't control?

















Army of GOD wrote:Lootifer wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:Does free will exist? Do people really make choices?
I answered 25/50/25; where do you think it is?
I used to think it was 33/33/33, but I can't even give ballpark figures anymore.
BBS and nietzsche told us that free will exists but with no reasoning...just that it exists. I guess that works for pragmatic reasons (so we don't dwell on something that we don't have control over or that is trivial compared to real life problems) but I think it'd be impossible to prove it one way or another.

















Metsfanmax wrote:Aradhus wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:Does free will exist?
No.Metsfanmax wrote:Do people really make choices?
Yes.
These answers are incompatible. A lack of existence of free will implies that one does not have the capability of actually making choices; that is, your actions (the ones you perceive as choices) are truly predetermined from the start. What we perceive as choice is simply the result of complex interactions in the brain governed by immutable physical laws of the universe.
natty_dread wrote:Do ponies have sex?
(proud member of the Occasionally Wrongly Banned)Army of GOD wrote:the term heterosexual is offensive. I prefer to be called "normal"






























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