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I had heard the owned Palmolive and there was a picture of the moon on some tooth paste tubes that were made by them. Either crest or colgate I forget which one.HungrySomali wrote:Is it true the Moonies own Enteman's (sp?). You know, the snack cake and danish making company?
Now I'm more confused. You mean it would be comparable to worshiping... oh, say, the sun?bloknayrb wrote:That isn't actually what I meant. I'm not saying it would have to alter your perception of what God is, rather it would have to force you to re-evaluate calling something quantifiable "God."
Yes. The Sun of God.static_ice wrote:Now I'm more confused. You mean it would be comparable to worshiping... oh, say, the sun?bloknayrb wrote:That isn't actually what I meant. I'm not saying it would have to alter your perception of what God is, rather it would have to force you to re-evaluate calling something quantifiable "God."
I haven't heard of us owning either of these, but if we do own them its not owned by all of us or I'd be getting shares.2dimes wrote:I had heard the owned Palmolive and there was a picture of the moon on some tooth paste tubes that were made by them. Either crest or colgate I forget which one.HungrySomali wrote:Is it true the Moonies own Enteman's (sp?). You know, the snack cake and danish making company?
That was part of the percieved evidence the person that told me used as proof.
Very funny but the son of god (either oneFrigidus wrote:Yes. The Sun of God.static_ice wrote:Now I'm more confused. You mean it would be comparable to worshiping... oh, say, the sun?bloknayrb wrote:That isn't actually what I meant. I'm not saying it would have to alter your perception of what God is, rather it would have to force you to re-evaluate calling something quantifiable "God."
) isn't worshiped as a God (or shouldn't be IMO).Yes. Do you know of any present-day religions that involve direct sun-worship? People worshipped the sun because they didn't understand what it was, they only knew that it gave life to everything that they knew of. To them, it seemed like a god. Now that we know what it is, I wouldn't say that it would make sense to worship it. Would you?static_ice wrote:Now I'm more confused. You mean it would be comparable to worshiping... oh, say, the sun?bloknayrb wrote:That isn't actually what I meant. I'm not saying it would have to alter your perception of what God is, rather it would have to force you to re-evaluate calling something quantifiable "God."
Not to say that all "Moonies" get shares from this, but if you get the Washington Times, that is a newspaper directly owned by the Rev. Moon, and perceived as the media arm of the church. Honestly, I don't know much about the church, but that is one bad newspaper. They even have a section called "the Fishwrap". Can't fault 'em for hubris, there.static_ice wrote:I haven't heard of us owning either of these, but if we do own them its not owned by all of us or I'd be getting shares.2dimes wrote:I had heard the owned Palmolive and there was a picture of the moon on some tooth paste tubes that were made by them. Either crest or colgate I forget which one.HungrySomali wrote:Is it true the Moonies own Enteman's (sp?). You know, the snack cake and danish making company?
That was part of the percieved evidence the person that told me used as proof.
But the organization does own the New Yorker Building.
No I don't, but first of all I don't think we know everything about energy atm... and whether or not energy is a divine being, it does run the universe, does it not? Sure, the sun provides life, but there would be no sun without basic energy, along with all the depths of the universe. We could sustain life for a little bit if the sun suddenly stopped giving light one day. But without energy, life would be inconceivable.bloknayrb wrote:Yes. Do you know of any present-day religions that involve direct sun-worship? People worshipped the sun because they didn't understand what it was, they only knew that it gave life to everything that they knew of. To them, it seemed like a god. Now that we know what it is, I wouldn't say that it would make sense to worship it. Would you?static_ice wrote:Now I'm more confused. You mean it would be comparable to worshiping... oh, say, the sun?bloknayrb wrote:That isn't actually what I meant. I'm not saying it would have to alter your perception of what God is, rather it would have to force you to re-evaluate calling something quantifiable "God."
My guess would be because the crown of thorns is also associated with the crucifixion, but more reverent and less painful. Just a shot in the dark though, and since I've never read the Bible I'm probably wrong.static_ice wrote:Oh, and in my conversation with 2dimes I was reminded of something. We don't believe that Jesus was meant to die on the cross. We believe he was supposed to save the world and unfortunately he failed.
Because of this we believe the Cross is actually painful to Jesus. It reminds him of the most spiritual pain he'd ever felt. We encourage all the christian groups associated with us to switch their Crosses with Crowns (usually in the form of pins). Don't ask me why they picked Crowns.
I agree, and think we should be more like that now.static_ice wrote:we wouldn't need to worship God. We wouldn't need to get up early on Sundays and do our thang. The point is a constant relationship with God throughout the entire week. I think we'd think of God more as a father than as an almighty smite-happy divine being.
I'm not a christian, so I don't do the sunday thing... with me it is all week. Also, you could argue that life is inconceivable without water or gravity, or air... that doesn't make them things worth worshipping.static_ice wrote:No I don't, but first of all I don't think we know everything about energy atm... and whether or not energy is a divine being, it does run the universe, does it not? Sure, the sun provides life, but there would be no sun without basic energy, along with all the depths of the universe. We could sustain life for a little bit if the sun suddenly stopped giving light one day. But without energy, life would be inconceivable.bloknayrb wrote:Yes. Do you know of any present-day religions that involve direct sun-worship? People worshipped the sun because they didn't understand what it was, they only knew that it gave life to everything that they knew of. To them, it seemed like a god. Now that we know what it is, I wouldn't say that it would make sense to worship it. Would you?static_ice wrote:Now I'm more confused. You mean it would be comparable to worshiping... oh, say, the sun?bloknayrb wrote:That isn't actually what I meant. I'm not saying it would have to alter your perception of what God is, rather it would have to force you to re-evaluate calling something quantifiable "God."
And second of all, in our religion's mandatory "utopia world", we wouldn't need to worship God. We wouldn't need to get up early on Sundays and do our thang. The point is a constant relationship with God throughout the entire week. I think we'd think of God more as a father than as an almighty smite-happy divine being.
You sparked my memory. I'm almost sure that's it.2dimes wrote:The crown thing I would suspect to be more of a "King of kings" reference.
Sorry but I think energy tops them all. Water and air are just resources that happen to be a good source for life because the universe is a certain way. I'm sure it could be a different way, and have completely different mandatory resources. Gravity is a property of a universe, and if I'm not mistaken it is a form of energy.bloknayrb wrote: I'm not a christian, so I don't do the sunday thing... with me it is all week. Also, you could argue that life is inconceivable without water or gravity, or air... that doesn't make them things worth worshipping.
