Would you abort a down syndrome fetus?

[autoload]

I'm going to masturbate soon.

[heavycola]

I'm going to masturbate soon.

murderer.

[Heimdall]

Obviously the only correct answer in this situation is to abort the fetus. It has clearly committed sins in a previous life (or in the womb) and has thus been cursed with deformity by God. To permit it to live is to defy the creator himself.

It would however be unethical to throw the fetus away post-abortion. The only real option there is to save the fetus in a barrel with other deceased sinners and then to burn them down to generate electricity; this would provide us with a sustainable alternative to burning fossil fuels.

Haha, now thats call innovative thinking. Turn sinners into power. I'm officially a DM fan now.

[darvlay]

What?! Only 28% voted 'Yes'? You people are lying.

[Twill]

You guys better clean this thread up and give the topic the respect it deserves or it's getting shut down and I'm having words with a few of you.

Heimdall, DM and a few others, your comments are way out of line whether you think it's funny or not.

To the O.P. lets not post thread for the "trolls to shit on the site" etc etc.

M'kay.

Have a good one
Twill

[AndrewLC]

I was melancholy so I thought, "how can I make people (including myself) happy? I know! I can pose a thoughtful question to the community to ponder and discuss and provide valuable space for CC's trolls and misfits to come and spew their good stuff!"

We had this debate in my bio-ethics class: would you abort a fetus with down syndrome, and here's the important part: why or why not?

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I'm not a abortionist.

But if I was, then yes, because then Fetus's would basicly be money.

[Hitman079]

well, now that i think of it, i don't think i would. a fetus affected with down syndrome is still a human, regardless. just a missing or extra chromosome. besides, they can still live normal lives.

[browng-08]

well, now that i think of it, i don't think i would. a fetus affected with down syndrome is still a human, regardless. just a missing or extra chromosome. besides, they can still live normal lives.

Exactly.

[Snorri1234]

I'm not a abortionist.

But if I was, then yes, because then Fetus's would basicly be money.

Yeah, abortionists think of fetus' as money....

[SirSebstar]

sure, it costs more to have the fetus removed then bringing it to terms. Also there is the selling off the baby. I mean pro-life is all about life, except for poor people who should get the deathpenalty, preferably painful and cheap

[heavycola]

You guys better clean this thread up and give the topic the respect it deserves or it's getting shut down and I'm having words with a few of you.

Sorry. Please in future could we have some sort of 'respect-this-topic-deserves-ometer' attached to each thread. It would be a real 'foetus' of engineering! The mods could take a few minutes each morning attaching a value to every conversation.

It sure would help us out.

Tks

:begins to clean thread:

[Curmudgeonx]

Riggable, down's syndrome is a genetic disease. It could be determined by amiosceintesis (too lazy to spell check) by the end of the first trimester.

Down's syndrome is more than just a head shape.

[Symmetry]

I'm a teacher, and part of my job is to teach children with special needs. I doubt that many of you who posted earlier on this thread have spent any length of time with someone with Down's syndrome. You may have met one or two people, or even spoken to someone with the syndrome, but this thread is pretty poor so far.

Kids with Down's suffer a lot of health problems, and they tend to die young. I've never had any of my students die, but I know a few teachers who have had to face that. That's a tough tough thing.
However, kids are kids, no matter what problems they have they enjoy life. I've seen kids go through a lot of illnesses and come back smiling. They want the same things that other students want, and they enjoy them in the same way.

People have different experiences with Down's. Babies born with the syndrome rarely have a single problem. Many people cope with it and live to be functioning adults. Others have associated problems and struggle.

The debate about abortion here is not to be taken lightly. It has some relation to your attitudes towards abortion itself, but mostly I think that it has to do with the way that people view someone with a serious disability. I don't think that I can criticize people who make a decision in either direction. I'm pro-choice personally, but that doesn't mean that a choice made is a choice free of criticism.

A child with Down's is potentially a huge burden on a family, but most families with a Down's child see their child as a blessing.

I suggest that some of you check out the many accounts of living with Down's, or living with a child with Down's that can be found online. I'll post one, but maybe you'd like to have a look at some of the others.

From the Washington post

Lastly, one of my best teaching memories from Japan is having seen a student with Down's graduate from junior high school. The school is the smallest in my area, and the graduating class had only 8 students. As part of the ceremony, they played a slideshow of photographs for each of the students. The show covered their lives up to this point. From baby through kindergarten, elementary, and junior high. Seeing him grow up was pretty amazing.

Meh- that's about it. Apologies for the length.

[Napoleon Ier]

I'm not a abortionist.

But if I was, then yes, because then Fetus's would basicly be money.

Yeah, abortionists think of fetus' as money....

Ironic though this statemen was, it's actually very very true....

[Napoleon Ier]

I'm a teacher, and part of my job is to teach children with special needs. I doubt that many of you who posted earlier on this thread have spent any length of time with someone with Down's syndrome. You may have met one or two people, or even spoken to someone with the syndrome, but this thread is pretty poor so far.

Kids with Down's suffer a lot of health problems, and they tend to die young. I've never had any of my students die, but I know a few teachers who have had to face that. That's a tough tough thing.
However, kids are kids, no matter what problems they have they enjoy life. I've seen kids go through a lot of illnesses and come back smiling. They want the same things that other students want, and they enjoy them in the same way.

People have different experiences with Down's. Babies born with the syndrome rarely have a single problem. Many people cope with it and live to be functioning adults. Others have associated problems and struggle.

The debate about abortion here is not to be taken lightly. It has some relation to your attitudes towards abortion itself, but mostly I think that it has to do with the way that people view someone with a serious disability. I don't think that I can criticize people who make a decision in either direction. I'm pro-choice personally, but that doesn't mean that a choice made is a choice free of criticism.

A child with Down's is potentially a huge burden on a family, but most families with a Down's child see their child as a blessing.

I suggest that some of you check out the many accounts of living with Down's, or living with a child with Down's that can be found online. I'll post one, but maybe you'd like to have a look at some of the others.

From the Washington post

Lastly, one of my best teaching memories from Japan is having seen a student with Down's graduate from junior high school. The school is the smallest in my area, and the graduating class had only 8 students. As part of the ceremony, they played a slideshow of photographs for each of the students. The show covered their lives up to this point. From baby through kindergarten, elementary, and junior high. Seeing him grow up was pretty amazing.

Meh- that's about it. Apologies for the length.

but teh woman haz teh right to killz teh embryo at 8 months 3 weeks!!!!!!111

[Fieryo]

Meh- that's about it. Apologies for the length.

Don't apologize, your's is one of the best posts I've seen yet.

In my ethics class the vast majority of people voted to abort the fetus. I personally am pro-choice but I like to think I understand the opposite point of view and I of course respect it. There are several genetic disorders I know of (tay-sachs for one) which are essentially automatic death sentences for the child. In these cases for the sake of the child and all others involved in its life, I would abort the fetus, and save everyone (most importantly the child) from immense pain and suffering.

However, when it comes to Down Syndrome I find myself hesitating since a) people are able to live happy lives with the disorder b) there are different levels of severity. I worked with a 25 year old guy with DS and although mentally he may have "stalled" at about the age of 12, he wasn't dumb, or slow or incompetent. He was who he was and we treated him thusly. I understand the emotional reaction to having to face raising a child with DS, but I feel that rationally, they deserve a chance at life.

[Napoleon Ier]

Of course, one regime did out of mercy kill disabled children, due to the financial strain/deadweight on society they represented....

Who can name that Regime?

[Fieryo]

Of course, one regime did out of mercy kill disabled children, due to the financial strain/deadweight on society they represented....

Who can name that Regime?

Most ancient societies (Egyptians, Greeks, Romans etc.)

[Napoleon Ier]

^^At birth, fair point. The Nazis were the ones that immediatly came to mind, by the Greeks you refer more particularly to the Spartans.
Hippocrates, interestingly, opposed abortion.

[Fieryo]

The Nazis. Of course. How could I ever forget that teeny tiny blip on the radar screen of history...

[heavycola]

I'm not a abortionist.

But if I was, then yes, because then Fetus's would basicly be money.

Yeah, abortionists think of fetus' as money....

Ironic though this statemen was, it's actually very very true....

This is a ridiculous thing to say, even from someone who takes advice on birth control from an 80-year old male virgin.
How on earth would you know? How many 'abortionists' do you know?

[Napoleon Ier]

The Nazis. Of course. How could I ever forget that teeny tiny blip on the radar screen of history...

How could you....

I am arguing from what may appear to be a logical fallacy, but the point I am striving to make is that totalitarian states tend to favour abortion, indeed force it upon people (as some cases exist even today of doctors forcing abortions on unwilling patients), so as to oppose the notion that is held by some libertarians, namely that "pro-choice on everything" is the position to take, when of course the inability of one party to make a choice of greater value (life is a more important right than that to disposeof one's body as one wishes) is ignored.

[Snorri1234]

but teh woman haz teh right to killz teh embryo at 8 months 3 weeks!!!!!!111

Was that the sound of the point going over your head again?

[Snorri1234]

^^At birth, fair point. The Nazis were the ones that immediatly came to mind, by the Greeks you refer more particularly to the Spartans.
Hippocrates, interestingly, opposed abortion.

How do you manage to completely invalidate everything you say so quickly?
Barely 3 posts in the debate from you and you start making comparisons to nazis already.

"You know who else had a big military? NAZIS! So no country should have a military."

[Napoleon Ier]

I'm not a abortionist.

But if I was, then yes, because then Fetus's would basicly be money.

Yeah, abortionists think of fetus' as money....

Ironic though this statemen was, it's actually very very true....

This is a ridiculous thing to say, even from someone who takes advice on birth control from an 80-year old male virgin.
How on earth would you know? How many 'abortionists' do you know?

Brilliant. Attack me cos I'm the nasty Catholic. Grimy papist scum! burn 'em I say! Not that its your fault, you've been classically conditioned by the media....not, again to say you're an idiot, just as i say, psychologically conditioned.

How many abortionnists do I know? Quite a few, from my Christian contacts, who revulsed at the whole thing quit and confirm that profit played a large part in the abortion industry.


"$590 million are spent each year on first trimester abortions and $393 million are spent on late term abortions. That means that each year in the U.S., the abortion industry brings in approximately $983 million through their abortion services alone. If you add in the $273 million that Planned Parenthood (America's largest abortion provider) receives annually in government grants and contracts, the annual dollar amount moves well past 1 billion.