Deadwood Mafia Its all over! Thanks for playing

[Talapus]

Well now there is a LOT going on in this game. One thing I notice, what's up with saying ET is lurking? He's been posting daily. (more than me I might add... )

Show me where anyone said he was lurking...

Oh, wait... No one ever did.

Lol, he said it himself...

How the f*ck am i lurking?....

It's at the top of the page

[Anarkistsdream]

Well now there is a LOT going on in this game. One thing I notice, what's up with saying ET is lurking? He's been posting daily. (more than me I might add... )

Show me where anyone said he was lurking...

Oh, wait... No one ever did.

Lol, he said it himself...

How the f*ck am i lurking?....

It's at the top of the page

I meant why does he think it, and why did Serbia repeat it?

Serbia, you are kinda skimming here, bro.

That worries me that you are scum.

[Clive]

AD can't be paying much attention to the game if he thinks ET is lurking and that he's scum because of it. He's one of the most active here...

[Anarkistsdream]

AD can't be paying much attention to the game if he thinks ET is lurking and that he's scum because of it. He's one of the most active here...

WHEN THE f*ck DID I SAY THAT?!?!

Show me or piss off.

The next person who says I said that without providing proof will have my vote.

[Clive]

But, since ExplainThis has not come back to respond to anything.

Unvote
Vote: ExplainThis

[Talapus]

If he's smart, he thinks it's because the only way to play mafia with all us crazy people is to be paranoid . Watch yourself Explainthis, we are all out to get you...

As for Serbs, who knows why he repeated it. Maybe he thought it was deep and insightful and no one would call him out on it. Although, you're right...it could also be a scum tell...

[Talapus]

Alright Clive...it's about time you showed up. Please enlighten us all as to your less then spectacular reasoning for all your votes. And I had better be wowed, or my vote on you stays. So go on...impress me!

[Serbia]

But, since ExplainThis has not come back to respond to anything.

Unvote
Vote: ExplainThis

How the f*ck am i lurking?

That's it really. Most recent thing, sure. I need to go back and re-read, you all may have noticed I haven't done much posting recently, and this past post was just to attempt to keep current, and not get a submarining call on myself. So instead I skim. Either or...

Anyway, best I see is Clive still being scummy... guy just can't help it apparently. I'd like to hear what he has to say though.

[Clive]

My votes were based on me thinking they acted scummy day 1 and what Koesen said.

I would also be happy to lynch AD based on what he's just done.

[Talapus]

My votes were based on me thinking they acted scummy day 1 and what Koesen said.

I would also be happy to lynch AD based on what he's just done.

Wow, not only do you skim posts and then post nothing of any real value. But you don't even try to explain why they looked scummy. So, these are the 4 people you disliked so far. Why do they look scummy?

W00t i'm back

I'm liking what's been said about Crab...vote Crab

vote kwanton

Forgot colour in my other one lol..

unvote vote diddle

unvote vote fifth

If you think you deserved to be let back in the game(Which apparently you did ) then take the initiative and explain these votes. Otherwise, I will continue to remain under the impression that you're pretty much useless in the game. YOu want to learn to play better, heres your chance. Explain!

[Anarkistsdream]

My votes were based on me thinking they acted scummy day 1 and what Koesen said.

I would also be happy to lynch AD based on what he's just done.

I said he had yet to respond to my posts from before.

Does that constitute lurking? No.

Was that true? Yes.

Could I sue you for lible in real life? Yes

Are you an idiot? Yes.

Unvote

Vote: Clive

[ExplainThis]

My votes were based on me thinking they acted scummy day 1 and what Koesen said.

I would also be happy to lynch AD based on what he's just done.

I said he had yet to respond to my posts from before.

Does that constitute lurking? No.

Was that true? Yes.

Could I sue you for lible in real life? Yes

Are you an idiot? Yes.

Unvote

Vote: Clive

You sir, have no right to call anyone an idiot.

As far as I can tell Ive answered every question you've sent in my direction. How about repeating yourself if you feel unsatisfied with the answer(s) I previously gave.

[browng-08]

But, since ExplainThis has not come back to respond to anything.

Unvote
Vote: ExplainThis

All he meant that in the duration that they had been talking about ET, he had not yet responded for himself. (I think)

[gimpyThewonder]

f1fth (1) - clive
skoffin (1) - kwanton
diddle (4) - ga7, serbia, LSU, Voldemort
browng (1) - mandy
nagerous (1) - Sierra Leon
koesen (3) - f1fth, browng, iliad
clive (2) - talapus, AD


23 alive, 12 to lynch

and that should be that. did I miss anything?

[LSU Tiger Josh]

guys just posting to state that I'll be rereading all this stuff tonight after work as we had some stuff come up there the last couple of days

[Iliad]

Long post ahead, mainly because I have to quote.

I looked at Koesen who has been scummy in my opinion:

I see no reason for this bandwagon, seems completely unfounded and if Fir comes out town I'll have my eye on some of you bandwagoners... So fircoal, do you have a claim?

While a random kill is hard to avoid on Day One, I agree we should at the very least get a claim out of it, so that the next one is slightly less random.

I must say I was impressed by the logic of the first Fircoal vote though. Almost as good as the logic behind my vote.

So that the next bandwagon is slightly less random.

No, the next day will be less random.

Not a scumtell but look on:
(...snipped a bit here...)
Really? He takes the heat off fircoal.

So? Right now, Fircoal/ET has more proof for his town claim than any other surviving player. Is backing him suspicious?

This is particularly interesting with the next oist

Now would I have had the time to look up Wiki for a role? No.

Whenever I'm scum, I have my fake claim ready before the game has really started, so that means nothing.

But this matter can easily be settled by either a mod statement or a vote count.

Yet again not something you would call that great but it certainly is interesting

I'm glad you admit it isn't that great, because i't's really nothing. I take pride in my fake claims when I'm scum. Everybody knows that and it doesn't say anything about what I am here. If I have to claim here, I will, and I garantueethat after my claim the only reason people wish to lycnh me if if they think the day has gone on too long already and they want to get it over with.

she's clearly so pissed off with being voted.

Anyway for the bold part. "Told you dumbfuck heathens that I was the pope."
10 points to whoever gets it

Is this Skoffin's roleclaim? Cause it looks like it's just an expression of her being pissed. (...snip...)
As for Clive, I believe his priest claim. I'm not voting for him until a cop accuses him.

As long as I'm not sure of Skoffin, Diddle looks suspicious to me for his active support of her.

(...snip...)

If neither Skoffin nor Clive are lynched, I'm willing to off browng as a compromise.

First he still pushes on Skoffin AFTER she claimed and after she claimed a poweful role. As a compromise. That doesn't sound good at all. If you don't lynch the watcher or the priest I'm willing to lynch this guy. Okay. Scummy!

No, not okay. Not okay at all. I did NOT push for Skoffin's lynch after her claim. I unvoted and gave her the benefit of the doubt. The bit you quoted was from BEFORE she claimed.

Surely, having taken the trouble of digging through 63 pages, you must have noticed that, so why are you fabricating the myth that I continued going after Skoffin when she claimed? If anyone is scummy here, it's you.

Now he takes the heat off skoffin and insists for ANOTHER bandwagon. It is not great for town to try to get another bandwagon happening and start from nil especially if there is no time limit

I went after Skoffin for shameless submarining and when she came with a convincing claim, "I took the heat of her". How is that scummy?

Would you rather have me stay the course, like you did with Clive 1.0, and pursue a lynch I don't believe in just so nobody else will have to claim?

And how is starting from nil bad "especially if there is no time limit"? The whole point of not having a time limit is that you can explore different theories in one day, because there is no fear of a missed deadline resulting in a no lynch.

Seriously, what are you smoking?

He tries to protect bandwagoners on skoffin. For scum it made the most sense to bandwagon Skoffin because she had the most important role. And he's trying to protect anyone who was on the most suspicious bandwagon.

I already explained why I thought the bandwagon against Skoffin was not suspicious at all. I still think it wasn't. And I admitted that there might be scum on her bandwagon, but that given her own scummy behaviour, there was no evidence against anybody in particular.

There's a lot of hints

It's a lot of nothing

I have seen how he had put pressure on someone who had claimed a powerful role, then took it off and protected anyone who was on the bandwagon of the person who had the most powerful role( ).

Again, are you blaming me for unvoting when people come with a decent claim? What's your protown alternative?

Yes, I go after people. That's how evidence is collected. People who submarine do not contribute to the game at all and do not help town out at all. Without people like me, this game would be dead.

What's your suggestion, then? That I post once every twenty pages saying "ooh, that's a lot of pages, I'll reread and see if I can contribute tomorrow!"? Fat lot of good that'll do...

And as for Kwanton's suggestion that all I've done so far is make it easy for scum to pick off power roles, I disagree. Everyone who is forced to claim and does so convincingly, has a decent change to not be lynched.

Take Fircoal/ET. Very likely a protown actor. Which means borderline useless, right? Wrong, because when the game enters its final stage, the only way for scum to remain hidden is if there is doubt about the surviving townies. For now, they can and probably will leave him alone, but when the numbers dwindle, they will have to waste a kill on him, because there's no way they will get him lynched.

Same thing for Diddle's mayor. Slightly more useful, but not very much. Again, scum cannot allow him to live forever, because he too will not be lynched in the end.

And I promise you there will be a phase when confirmed townies become more dangerous for scum than power roles.

The only really good role that had been revealed, assuming everyone is telling the truth, is Skoffin's watcher. I bet she's unkillable now, because the doc will be protecting her. That means that every day, she can reveal the result of her investigations, and that's a good thing.

What do you people want? You want nobody to claim for fear of revealing a power role? That's a recipe for a scum victory. The more people convincingly claim town, the lower the number of suspects and the higher the chances we catch scum. It's not only a good way, it's the only way.

Not much I can say. The posts in day 1 did look scummy but you seemed to have explained them. I was just reading with a bit of biased opinion so I thought that you were scum. Just I was suspicious and I so was biased Except

Skoffin had claimed watcher when you were still pushing for her lynch.

[Iliad]

This post sounded very pro-Town for me. I never saw a Scum that got so pissed of over inactivity. IMO Iliad is pro-Town. Worst case scenario, he is a Third party, but no way is he Mafia.

I disagree. I'm not sure about Iliad's alignment, but being pissed off about inactivity is not exclusively a town emotion. Inactivity screws the game regardless of which side of the fence you're on.

Agreed.

But, since ExplainThis has not come back to respond to anything.

Unvote
Vote: ExplainThis

How the f*ck am i lurking? I work and sleep. This means I can play this game basically between 4-10pm my time (its 4 pm now for reference) ask me all you want outside of those hours but don't expect a response until I'm home. Beyond that I don't even know what you think I haven't explained. Iliads post stunk of ... How to put this. He said it with such authority that he comes off as experienced, but what he said was so wrong I can only assume hes been playing incorrectly since he started. If others have proof that he knows what hes doing please tell me cause then what he said is just plain scummy.

I still think diddles scum. I haven't watched the show but imo alignment of characters inside the original work should have little baring on the alignment of characters inside a game, that is if you want to maintain balance. The mayor roll (obviously as a oneshot) is very good scum roll and doesn't have to be town, If he can prove that he can use it multiple times or that it ends the day then id be much more willing to back off from him. Diddle if we attempt to lynch someone you veto does the day end? Thats some important info to have, cause if it doesn't we can test it without worry.

While your idea of testing his claim somewhat mirrors mine I do disagree with you. I don't know waht happens in mafiascum but here the alignment of the person has a lot of baring on the aligment of the character in a game.

About that argument: as I said before I read it with a biased point of view and so kinda overreacted. Made a mistake it happens.

Oh and forgot before
unvote

[Iliad]

This post sounded very pro-Town for me. I never saw a Scum that got so pissed of over inactivity. IMO Iliad is pro-Town. Worst case scenario, he is a Third party, but no way is he Mafia.

I disagree. I'm not sure about Iliad's alignment, but being pissed off about inactivity is not exclusively a town emotion. Inactivity screws the game regardless of which side of the fence you're on.

Not really. If people are inactive it is good for scum
Scapegoats for lynches
Days are wasted,
Power roles are wasted.

Scum don't need to contibute and if someone isn't contributing it is great for scum

[Skoffin]

In fact, I'm not sure I can remember Skoffin ever losing a game when she was scum.

Also I believe I have earned the title of "best usurper EVA".

Skoffin, if I remember correctly, you said you were a watcher, but not an ordinary one. I think you suggested your powers were different from those of a typical watcher. After that, you seemed to hint that your investigation of Crab was useless because you are in fact a very typical watcher (i.e. someone who sees which people visit the person targeted). Which is it?

Both. Let's say 'I have a bit extra'. I however can not give any detail about it.

Also I find Clive's posts a little odd. Clive 1.0 was going after people actively and was out there, whereas Clive 2.0 has just been vote hoping and has had very little to say compared to that. Why the sudden change in gameplay?

[Skittles!]

Jester?

[diddle]

Unvote, if I need to....

I'm very tempted to vote clive, as he's more of a hinderence than anything else. Alos, ExplainThis, why do you think that I am so scummy. I have pm'ed the mod asking if I can stop my own lynch (even though I think I know the response, but just to be sure) and whether or not the day will end if I veto a lynch (even though I don't think I'll be doing that anytime soon).

[nagerous]

A vote on clive will just be another wasted lynch? Anyone who suggests lynching him or diddle is coming accross as quite scummy as it will just means we've wasted the day and the progress we've made. Thats partly why I'm considering dropping a vote on talapus, purely because he would rather lynch the idiots as opposed to the potential scums.

Anyways, I'm happy lynching tal, mandy, brown or crab today. They are my favourites for the chop. Also, sierra is playing the role of overly helpful townie considering the amount of spare time he appears to have that he can evaluate every comment I've made in this game. The fact hes pushing against me however, makes me naturally suspicious of him and his real motives. Also, the thing he actually accused me for I feel naturally justified in as I will always push for claims before someone is lynched and make sure people don't hammer before the claim etc.

[diddle]

I'm still pretty suspicious of Koesen, but unfortunately I have nothing much to back up my suspicions.

[Koesen]

Since we're all listing suspects...

- ExplainThis very likely is an actor and therefore very likely town.
- AD seems to be on the same page as me in many respects, which looks good to me. I interpreted his vote on ET as an accusation of submarining too, but it seems that may just be a difference of playing styles.
- Skoffin: I was about to say she had gone back to her submarining ways, but then she came back and posted something substantial. Given her name claim, I am inclined to trust her for now.
- Diddle: I find his behavior more scummy than not, but his name claim seems solid, thus benefit of the doubt.
- Nagerous: quiet and therefore hard to read, but I agree with most things he said.
I don't think I'll vote for any of these at this point.

- F1fth looks most scummy to me at this point. I find his reasoning throughout the thread unconvincing and over the top, both when he's defending people and when he's attacking them.
- Iliad comes in second in the Scummy Top Whatever. The fact that he sort of backed off after my reply to his accusations pleads for him, but it might just be a strategic acknowledgement that my lynch isn't going to happen and that pursuing it would draw unwanted attention to him.
These two I'll vote for if there is a chance of lynching them.

- Talapus, Crab, Sierra Leon, Mandy and Brown-ng: various degrees of possibly scummy vibes, but no real proof against any of them.
These are lynches that I might support to end the day, but they're not my first choice.

The rest of you, I don't really have an idea about.

[Koesen]

Oh, right: Clive 2.0 is acting like a knob, but that seems to be more a personality thing than role related. No clue whether he's town or scum.