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Postby Iliad on Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:04 am

LSU Tiger Josh wrote:Ok I just got done rereading all of Day 2. My initial thoughts were that BrownG, Fifth, and Iliad are the scummiest of that group. Knowing how the game was progressing and how day 1 went down, I have for the most part felt pretty comfortible in that Koesen was town as he was along the same wave length for many thoughts I have had while rereading this mess. While Fifth does the focus on Koesen so far, I don't think he is the scummiest on this day. I believe that falls on BrownG who hasn't really helped much in this game other then follow Fifth around like a lap dog. Unvote Vote BrownG for this behavior. Iliad I still don't see why you're so focused on going after Koesen, but if BrownG or Fifth turn up as scum, you'll also be on my list for scumminess. Kwanton I'm glad to see is actually trying to contribute now although I'm still suspicious of him.

Are you skimming? I made ONE post! Count the fingers, UNO!

I made one post and then when koesen explained himself I unvoted.
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Postby F1fth on Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:31 am

Koesen wrote:I have dedicated several long posts to explaining all of my so called suspicious actions. The fact that you have managed to miss all of them them does nothing to reduce my suspicion of you.


Yes, you answered Iliad's posts. You never addressed the the previous accusation which I felt summarized my opinions quite well.

It's not about you voting for me. Brown-ng voted me too and he's not very high on my list of suspects. Another little fact that you conveniently ignore in your witch hunt against me.

It's about the way you are going after me. You have not a shred of evidence against me. I responded to every single accusation thrown against me, to the satisfacting of the overwhelming majority of players. You simply pretend that didn't happen.


No, no, no. I never said I had undeniable proof of your scumminess, like you claim to have of me, while none of us do. I said that judging from your actions, explained in my last post, you seem the most scummy to me. It may sound unpleaseant, and heck, I may even be wrong, but after looking at the game (including your responses), that's how I feel.

It is you who doesn't do anything to disprove suspicion. I asked you and others who thought I shouldn't go after people what your pro town alternative was. No answer. You want to let the submariners submarine, although you know that town will suffer for it.


Right. Now you're putting words in my mouth. Never once did I anywhere say that we shouldn't lynch submariners. I said that we shouldn't lynch Clive just because he's an idiot. I also said that we shouldn't bandwagon every townie. Still, never mentioned submariners.

I pointed out that when people come with a convincing claim, I unvote. Unlike you who voted not just once but twice for a townie with a convincing claim, and then refused to look at his bandwagon because you are so sure there is no evidence there at all. :roll:


Yeah, but so did half the town... and what do you mean I refused to look at the bandwagon? This post speaks for itself:

F1fth wrote:I wish I had double vote powers. And you could even kinda spin it to fit my role.

Anyway, I think there's something to be said about how rapid Skoff was BW'd, and the likelihood we might catch scum somewhere there. But we shouldn't narrow our sights. It's also likely, (perhaps less so, but still a chance) that there be scum on the Clive bandwagon, even if he was lynched for a better reason.


When everyone else was sure that the "Skoffin wagon must have scum," I brought this up. Yes, me.

I don't have as much of an impression of you as a mafia player as of, say, Mandy, but the rigid and unreasonable behavior you are displaying in this game doesn't fit the image that I do have of you. And in my experience, when usually reasonable people are suddenly hellbent on lynching someone for no reason, they're often scum.

Vote F1fth


Surprise, surprise. Listen -- I respect you as well. I just believe that you are scum is all. I truly believe it. That said, it's obvious that other people don't think there is enough to go along with this, and thus, we have reached an impasse. So, at the risk of never getting anything done, I'm going to move on. I've said my peace.

To be perfectly honest, I am more than a little discomforted with Brown's sudden and reasonless support of my position. Discomforted enough to think that he's the next best choice for possible scum.

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Postby Koesen on Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:21 am

F1fth wrote: You never addressed the the previous accusation which I felt summarized my opinions quite well.


Ok, then. Would you mind repeating that accusation, since I don't remember what it was and I thought I had addressed everything?
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No, no, no. I never said I had undeniable proof of your scumminess, like you claim to have of me,


Where did I claim that my proof of your scumminess is undeniable? I don't have proof against you, merely suspicions.

F1fth wrote: what do you mean I refused to look at the bandwagon? This post speaks for itself:


Fair enough, I forgot about that. I withdraw that remark, but I'm still puzzled by your unquestioning defense of Skoffin and your nearly equally unquestioning pursuit of Clive 1.0.
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Surprise, surprise. Listen -- I respect you as well. I just believe that you are scum is all. I truly believe it. That said, it's obvious that other people don't think there is enough to go along with this, and thus, we have reached an impasse. So, at the risk of never getting anything done, I'm going to move on. I've said my peace.

To be perfectly honest, I am more than a little discomforted with Brown's sudden and reasonless support of my position. Discomforted enough to think that he's the next best choice for possible scum.

Unvote Vote Brown


Okay, I can live with that, and I guess the reality is that I'm not going to get a whole lot more support for lynching you than you for me.

As I said, though he isn't my first choice, I am willing to support a lynch of brown-ng. And frankly, at this point, I'd rather end the day, cause it has lasted long enough.

We'll see what the night brings in terms of evidence against either of us, or possibly others, and continue our little battle tomorrow.

Unvote. Vote Brown-ng.
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Postby Clive on Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:26 am

unvote vote brown

I think they are both scum, and Brown is the way votes are going, so meh..
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Postby Koesen on Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:36 am

pancakemix wrote: So if scum is 5 people out of 30 (16%) and there are 6 submariners with 1 person trying to whip everyone into shape, what are the chances, in a random draw, that 1 of those submariners is scum? What are the chances that the whipper is scum?


This is a good point, but I have two remarks:

1. Submarining benefits scum far more than town, therefore I think that the odds of submariners being scum are higher than random. Secondly, the goal of whipping submariners is not necessarily to get them lynched, but also to force them to become active.[/quote]
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- Diddle: I find his behavior more scummy than not, but his name claim seems solid, thus benefit of the doubt.


Like I said earlier, if he doesn't care, forget about him. Gimpy's got enough trouble replacing people already.


I don't think I said Diddle should be replaced.

pancakemix wrote: This quote makes you sound pretty confident in your townieness, Koesen. I recall someone saying something to the effect that you were leading the inquisition. Remember, people, last time we let Koesen lead the inquisition,he screwed us over. :lol: :wink:


Well, you may not know for a fact what I am, but I do :)

As for the inquisition remark, I've lead the inquisition in many games, and in several of those I was town. I caught Exile and LSU in nagerous' Hero mafia, I caught Kalishnikov in Freezie's Harry Potter and Kwanton in that Orc game, to name but a few of my most recent games.

Granted, I've screwed town several times when I was scum, and I'm proud of it, but at the end of the day, this is a meaningless metagaming argument :)

I accept that you won't trust me unconditionally, but if I die tonight, at least I'll leave a lot of thoughts and suggestions for people to reconsider.
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Postby Anarkistsdream on Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:50 am

Oh, lord... I guess if we don't bandwagon the game never continues...

This is what is happening in Barroom mafia, too.

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Oh well.

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Postby kalishnikov on Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:07 pm

104 pages, cocksuckers. :shock:
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Postby CrabNebula on Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:17 pm

unvote vote browng

Did we get a claim from him?
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Postby Koesen on Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:29 pm

No, but I think we're only about halfway to lynch, so I'm not expecting anything for a while.
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Postby Talapus on Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:41 pm

Koesen wrote:No, but I think we're only about halfway to lynch, so I'm not expecting anything for a while.


Well, in that case then I'll go along with this. I'll admit he has done some rather questionable things so far and on the plus side mandy has been convinced browng was scum so heres our chance to find out. Also the fact that we all keep discussing lots of different people with no concensus is not helping our deadline. So. Unvote, Vote - - - - browng to up the pressure.
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Postby mandalorian2298 on Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:50 pm

To show my gratitude for you guys finaly seeing reason, I won't call anyone a cocksucker in this post. :D

Wow, this feels like playing Craps. Goooooo Browng. :twisted:
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Postby kwanton on Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:53 pm

So are we bandwagoning again?

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Postby Serbia on Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:44 pm

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I've been sick again this past week, which is why I've not been posting anything of substance (if I've posted anything at all...) Lousy excuse I know, but there it is. Anyway, this vote is for reasons stated previously, and while I haven't been posting, I've been following, and browng has been generally scummy.
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Postby ExplainThis on Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:12 pm

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^someone who actually sounds like he's played mafia before^ (no offense to everyone else here)
yeah just say that we all can't play mafia, but no offense :roll:


I said no offense for a reason. You guys clearly play mafia way different then on most other boards. If we look at which style is better at catching scum im almost positive the other sites would win. BUT mafia is a game and thus the intent of playing it is to have fun, not to win. if you guys have more fun this way all the power to you. I certainly expect to enjoy the much more whimsical nature of your games or I wouldnt have joined in the first place.
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Postby Anarkistsdream on Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:28 pm

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^someone who actually sounds like he's played mafia before^ (no offense to everyone else here)
yeah just say that we all can't play mafia, but no offense :roll:


I said no offense for a reason. You guys clearly play mafia way different then on most other boards. If we look at which style is better at catching scum im almost positive the other sites would win. BUT mafia is a game and thus the intent of playing it is to have fun, not to win. if you guys have more fun this way all the power to you. I certainly expect to enjoy the much more whimsical nature of your games or I wouldnt have joined in the first place.


That's the difference between a bunch of people who only play mafia and those people, like us, who participate in other activities like RISK and the forums are actually friendly, and therefore play like we were friends.

I know many of these people's real names, occupations, and achievements. I see no reason to sit there and be a hardass all of the time. (If I wanted that, I'd stay in Flame Wars.)
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Postby Koesen on Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:29 pm

How do these other people catch more scum on Day One? Whatever your playing style is, I find it hard to believe Day One can ever really rise above the random level, unless the mafia is played by idiots.

If you have anything to teach me, I'm willing to learn, though:)
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Postby ExplainThis on Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:43 pm

Koesen wrote:How do these other people catch more scum on Day One? Whatever your playing style is, I find it hard to believe Day One can ever really rise above the random level, unless the mafia is played by idiots.

If you have anything to teach me, I'm willing to learn, though:)


Consistently catching scum on day 1 is really hard and basically requires that your playing with at least 1 newb scum to pull it off. The problem is that in not seriously trying to catch scum day 1 you seriously limit the knowledge you gain and day 2 basically ends up being a day 1 again(accept you have small info from power roles, but you shouldn't be able to win the game on that alone). The day1 clive lynch is a perfect example of what not to do day 1. You guys had the right idea moving from person to person, but then you gave up and lynched someone that was clearly town for basically no reason. Beacause of this, little information can be gathered about those who voted for him cause EVERYONE who voted for him had to be out of their mind. With all that said I'm not some super awesome mafia player(I've seen some pretty ridiculous ones in my time) So what I'm saying could be completely full of crap, take from it what you will at your own risk.

I don't like the browning wagon its moving to easily. I especially don't like the way telapus played that.
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Postby Skoffin on Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:48 pm

Heh you shouldn't judge this site's mafia base based on hese games. Mafia here is at an all time low at the moment, a lot of our best players are away for the time being, most people are going inactive, we have some new blood who still need to work out what they're doing, and most lynches are the result of bandwagons it seems. You should perhaps look at some of the old games here to get an idea of how we used to play. Maybe we wil even get back to playing that way eventually.
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Postby Anarkistsdream on Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:49 pm

Skoffin wrote: Heh you shouldn't judge this site's mafia base based on hese games. Mafia here is at an all time low at the moment, a lot of our best players are away for the time being, most people are going inactive, we have some new blood who still need to work out what they're doing, and most lynches are the result of bandwagons it seems. You should perhaps look at some of the old games here to get an idea of how we used to play. Maybe we wil even get back to playing that way eventually.


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Postby ExplainThis on Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:15 pm

Skoffin wrote: Heh you shouldn't judge this site's mafia base based on hese games. Mafia here is at an all time low at the moment, a lot of our best players are away for the time being, most people are going inactive, we have some new blood who still need to work out what they're doing, and most lynches are the result of bandwagons it seems. You should perhaps look at some of the old games here to get an idea of how we used to play. Maybe we wil even get back to playing that way eventually.


Since I didn't play here back then I don't really care what it was like then. With that said I'm not negatively judging you if it comes off that way, I respect that you can play mafia in the whimsical fashion that you do. As I said before playing games are about having fun, winning isn't always the best way to achieve that. Oh and this is starting to side track the game so we should probably stop or someone will accuse me of being mafia with browng *shock*.
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Postby Koesen on Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:16 pm

ExplainThis wrote: You guys had the right idea moving from person to person, but then you gave up and lynched someone that was clearly town for basically no reason.


So basically you're saying it's a good thing to grill a bunch of people (verbally, not by lynching them) to get a lot of claims until you find one that sounds wrong?

I think I agree with that, but there is a consensus on this forum that getting too many people to claim early on is scummy. I got in trouble for that before :) The reality here is that once you've lead a few bandwagons, you'd better back off a bit, or you'll become the next target.

Also, the pace that's usually kept on this forum requires that the day ends within a certain period of time, or else it dies. I sensed the beginnings of that here, which is why I'm happy we have a bandwagon at all at the moment. You mentioned two month game days earlier on. That would never work on this forum.

I therefore don't essentially disagree with you, but there is a practical limit to what ypu can do here. But it's interesting to hear the thoughts of someone who's used to playing with a different crowd.
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Postby ExplainThis on Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:27 pm

Koesen wrote:
ExplainThis wrote: You guys had the right idea moving from person to person, but then you gave up and lynched someone that was clearly town for basically no reason.


So basically you're saying it's a good thing to grill a bunch of people (verbally, not by lynching them) to get a lot of claims until you find one that sounds wrong?

I think I agree with that, but there is a consensus on this forum that getting too many people to claim early on is scummy. I got in trouble for that before :) The reality here is that once you've lead a few bandwagons, you'd better back off a bit, or you'll become the next target.

Also, the pace that's usually kept on this forum requires that the day ends within a certain period of time, or else it dies. I sensed the beginnings of that here, which is why I'm happy we have a bandwagon at all at the moment. You mentioned two month game days earlier on. That would never work on this forum.

I therefore don't essentially disagree with you, but there is a practical limit to what ypu can do here. But it's interesting to hear the thoughts of someone who's used to playing with a different crowd.


If one person gets a bunch of people to claim day 1 and they are all likely town then of course that person is going to be suspect, but at least then there is a suspect. This forum seems to have a lot of sheep. One persons like "person x is scummy for this mediocre reason" , and then suddenly that guys at -2. You guys seem to be too afraid to defend each other so attacks become very 1v1 with the loser getting owned, when in reality it should be more of an open debate. More then one person should be trying to find scum, if you lead someone to claim day 1 and they got an iron clad claim, back off and let someone else get a turn in bringing who they think is scum into the spot light. *same disclaimer as last time*
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Postby Skittles! on Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:29 pm

Yah, it is.

Anyway, I thought brown-ng was abit suss before but I'm not going to vote for him. Not yet, anyway, until he claims and might come off as a bit highh scum.

And I don't think we'll be getting an official vote count, so let's all chime in to do unofficial ones.

skoffin (1) - kwanton
diddle (2) - ga7, Voldemort
browng (9) - mandy, LSU, f1fth, koesen, clive, Anarkistdream, Crab, talapus, serbia
nagerous (1) - Sierra Leon
koesen (1) - browng


23 alive, 12 to lynch

and that should be that. did I miss anything?


Looking at the old vote count, browng and f1fth were against koesen. something to fear from him, maybe? I can see why koesen was suss of him before, and still is.
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Postby Skittles! on Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:30 pm

Skittles! wrote:Yah, it is.

Anyway, I thought brown-ng was abit suss before but I'm not going to vote for him. Not yet, anyway, until he claims and might come off as a bit highh scum.

And I don't think we'll be getting an official vote count, so let's all chime in to do unofficial ones.

UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT
skoffin (1) - kwanton
diddle (2) - ga7, Voldemort
browng (9) - mandy, LSU, f1fth, koesen, clive, Anarkistdream, Crab, talapus, serbia
nagerous (1) - Sierra Leon
koesen (1) - browng


23 alive, 12 to lynch

and that should be that. did I miss anything?



Looking at the old vote count, browng and f1fth were against koesen. something to fear from him, maybe? I can see why koesen was suss of him before, and still is.

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Postby Koesen on Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:31 pm

Thanks for your input. As I said, it's interesting to read the thoughts from someone who got his experience elsewhere and who doesn't necessarily follow the rules that are considered holy here.
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