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Postby muy_thaiguy on Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:08 am

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I sure hope this doesn't throw Europe into WorldWar3...

That's an interesting comment, considering it t'was Serbia who provided the catalyst for World War I by assasinating Arch-Duke Franz Ferdinand.

If we provoke wwI,so why you guys Declare War to Germany,and Austro-Hungary?


Now, you know damn well that's an unfair question... considering no one alive today knows what WWI was about.
Something about European Alliances, Serbian syndicate killing Austrian heir, and it turns into one big mess that eventually drags the US into it.
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Postby Skittles! on Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:10 am

How exactly did the US become part of WWI?
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Postby ignotus on Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:21 am

Actually I have a whole article published on internet about Sarajevo assassination (of archduke Franz Ferdinand in 1914.). Unfortunately it's in Croatian.
Official Serbia (Government) didn't know there would be an assassination attempt. It was a doing of deranged minds of a few Bosnian Serb kids (yes, most of them were all under 18 including Gavrilo Princip!) and Serbian semi-terrorist organization Black Hand just provided them with materials (guns and bombs just for that occasion).

Austro-Hungaria and Germany went into WWI for the same reasons they went to WWII: They thought they could win and make a new world order. Both countries were disappointed that they didn't had any colonies, despite their military potential. Austro-Hungaria and Russia both founded Balkan as the place they could expand; that's why Bosnia and Herzegovina was assigned to Austro-Hungaria on Berlin congress in 1878, although it was nominally still a part of Ottoman empire (that status will stay till 1908).

Time before WWI was a time of serious world crisis and anyone of them (Like First Moroccan Crisis, Second Moroccan Crisis, Balkan Wars, et cetera) had the possibility of causing a World War. Only thing that changed after Sarajevo assassination was the fact that no matter what Serbian Government did Austro-Hungaria decided to invade her.
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Postby ignotus on Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:23 am

Skittles! wrote:How exactly did the US become part of WWI?


1917, because German submarines continually attacked all US ships (including passenger ships) on Atlantic. :wink:
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Postby Appalachian on Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:26 am

The truth is out there...................

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Postby Skittles! on Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:26 am

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Skittles! wrote:How exactly did the US become part of WWI?


1917, because German submarines continually attacked all US ships (including passenger ships) on Atlantic. :wink:

Ahhh kay, that makes sense then.

And we're learning about Pre-WWI in Modern History at the moment, so this is all handy. Except I already knew it was Black Hand that supported people to assassinate the Heir and not actually the whole of Serbia.
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Postby muy_thaiguy on Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:34 am

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Skittles! wrote:How exactly did the US become part of WWI?


1917, because German submarines continually attacked all US ships (including passenger ships) on Atlantic. :wink:

Ahhh kay, that makes sense then.

And we're learning about Pre-WWI in Modern History at the moment, so this is all handy. Except I already knew it was Black Hand that supported people to assassinate the Heir and not actually the whole of Serbia.
Also, the Zimmerman Telegram to Mexico. Basically saying that if Mexico would fight the US and keep us busy, then the Germans would back Mexico. But the UK received it first and forwarded it to the US. Also, the main ship that was sunk that also helped bring the US into the war was the Lusitania, a civilian ship that was basically a cruiseliner that a German U-Boat sank.
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Postby muy_thaiguy on Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:35 am

ignotus wrote:Actually I have a whole article published on internet about Sarajevo assassination (of archduke Franz Ferdinand in 1914.). Unfortunately it's in Croatian.
Official Serbia (Government) didn't know there would be an assassination attempt. It was a doing of deranged minds of a few Bosnian Serb kids (yes, most of them were all under 18 including Gavrilo Princip!) and Serbian semi-terrorist organization Black Hand just provided them with materials (guns and bombs just for that occasion).

Austro-Hungaria and Germany went into WWI for the same reasons they went to WWII: They thought they could win and make a new world order. Both countries were disappointed that they didn't had any colonies, despite their military potential. Austro-Hungaria and Russia both founded Balkan as the place they could expand; that's why Bosnia and Herzegovina was assigned to Austro-Hungaria on Berlin congress in 1878, although it was nominally still a part of Ottoman empire (that status will stay till 1908).

Time before WWI was a time of serious world crisis and anyone of them (Like First Moroccan Crisis, Second Moroccan Crisis, Balkan Wars, et cetera) had the possibility of causing a World War. Only thing that changed after Sarajevo assassination was the fact that no matter what Serbian Government did Austro-Hungaria decided to invade her.
Also, I knew it was the Black Hand, never said it was Serbia in general.
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Postby bellaraphon on Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:00 am

Russia said they'd "interfere" if Kosovo becomes independent, whatever that means...
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Postby ignotus on Mon Feb 18, 2008 5:55 am

muy_thaiguy wrote:
Skittles! wrote:
ignotus wrote:
Skittles! wrote:How exactly did the US become part of WWI?


1917, because German submarines continually attacked all US ships (including passenger ships) on Atlantic. :wink:

Ahhh kay, that makes sense then.

And we're learning about Pre-WWI in Modern History at the moment, so this is all handy. Except I already knew it was Black Hand that supported people to assassinate the Heir and not actually the whole of Serbia.
Also, the Zimmerman Telegram to Mexico. Basically saying that if Mexico would fight the US and keep us busy, then the Germans would back Mexico. But the UK received it first and forwarded it to the US. Also, the main ship that was sunk that also helped bring the US into the war was the Lusitania, a civilian ship that was basically a cruiseliner that a German U-Boat sank.


Actually Lusitania was sunk in 1915 and German unrestricted submarine war on Atlantic was stopped for a short time. And there are still some arguments about Zimmerman telegram (btw by that telegram Mexico would enter a war only if USA enters first).
USA went to war in 1917 becuase Germany continued submarine attack and American public opinion shifted from isolationism to interventionism.
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Postby Guiscard on Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:54 am

qwert wrote:Can i ask you something?What is porpose for you to open these Political topic in ConquerClub? Why you mix politic with Risk? Why you not open topic like HOT AND SEXY,or something like that.


This is so sig-worthy that I feel it justifies the end of Lack's 'Guiscard is... awesome' below my esteemed posts. Expect royalties in the post, Qwert.
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Postby brooksieb on Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:26 am

bellaraphon wrote:Russia said they'd "interfere" if Kosovo becomes independent, whatever that means...


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Postby Tyr on Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:23 am

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Postby muy_thaiguy on Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:46 am

ignotus wrote:
muy_thaiguy wrote:
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ignotus wrote:
Skittles! wrote:How exactly did the US become part of WWI?


1917, because German submarines continually attacked all US ships (including passenger ships) on Atlantic. :wink:

Ahhh kay, that makes sense then.

And we're learning about Pre-WWI in Modern History at the moment, so this is all handy. Except I already knew it was Black Hand that supported people to assassinate the Heir and not actually the whole of Serbia.
Also, the Zimmerman Telegram to Mexico. Basically saying that if Mexico would fight the US and keep us busy, then the Germans would back Mexico. But the UK received it first and forwarded it to the US. Also, the main ship that was sunk that also helped bring the US into the war was the Lusitania, a civilian ship that was basically a cruiseliner that a German U-Boat sank.


Actually Lusitania was sunk in 1915 and German unrestricted submarine war on Atlantic was stopped for a short time. And there are still some arguments about Zimmerman telegram (btw by that telegram Mexico would enter a war only if USA enters first).
USA went to war in 1917 becuase Germany continued submarine attack and American public opinion shifted from isolationism to interventionism.
I said ithey were part of it, and the fact that Germany was even hinting at such a thing when the US had shipped supplies to them and was doing it's best to remain neutral. Not to mention that at the time, many Amercians (before the Zimmerman Telegram might I add) were for joining the war on the German side, similar to pre-American involvement in WWII. Because during this time, many Americans had a strong German background, or, in light of the preudices at the time, actually saw the German people as hard working and had respect for them. As you can see, the whole mind set of the US joining WWI changed dramatically after the telegram, thus contributing to the US coming onto France and Britain's side since Russia had withdrawn from the war, and I think we all know why that was.
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Postby Napoleon Ier on Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:30 pm

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Guiscard wrote:I think the Serbs will be a little peeved... It said on the news a minute ago they may be preparing to suspend diplomatic relations with countries who recognise the independence.
Wouldn't that hurt the Serbs more then anything else?


They think they will pressure the world with their claims for not recognizing Kosovo.

But it's too late.


Free Kosovo! Next step: Free Norse!


Come on Iggy...they encroach on Serbian land, genocide a few natives, and demand independance...it's ridiculous! That land is Serbian!
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Postby ignotus on Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:32 pm

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Guiscard wrote:I think the Serbs will be a little peeved... It said on the news a minute ago they may be preparing to suspend diplomatic relations with countries who recognise the independence.
Wouldn't that hurt the Serbs more then anything else?


They think they will pressure the world with their claims for not recognizing Kosovo.

But it's too late.


Free Kosovo! Next step: Free Norse!


Come on Iggy...they encroach on Serbian land, genocide a few natives, and demand independance...it's ridiculous! That land is Serbian!


I'm not responding to your moronic provocation. :roll:

EDIT: Actually I will (can't help myself)!
Encroached? How can you encroach if you settle the land for five or six centuries?

Genocide? Who made the genocide? Kosovars on Serbs... or... Serbs on Kosovars? NATO interfered to Kosovo in 1999 because Kosovars were killing the Serbs or what?
Serbs have tried to "clean" Kosovo for 100 years now (as they tried in Croatia and Bosnia). Kosovars only weapon against Serbs (btw who kept Kosovo undeveloped) was high birthrate.
You really don't know what you are talking about, don't you?

I don't have anything against Serbian claims to Kosovo as their historic land. But the reality is that 90% of population on Kosovo are Kosovars and 10% are Serbs.
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Postby Napoleon Ier on Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:45 pm

Seriosuly though Iggy, because you must be clued up about this. How can a patriotic slav like you want to let those bloody Turks take land from our Orthodox brothers?
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Postby got tonkaed on Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:50 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:Seriosuly though Iggy, because you must be clued up about this. How can a patriotic slav like you want to let those bloody Turks take land from our Orthodox brothers?


I just want to let all of you know that i tried to make a really mean post here.

I was unable to do so, and may this space in this thread be saved for the day when i do finally cross over and start ripping people apart frequently.
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Postby ignotus on Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:51 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:Seriosuly though Iggy, because you must be clued up about this. How can a patriotic slav like you want to let those bloody Turks take land from our Orthodox brothers?


First of all Croats are 95% Catholics.

Second: Kosovars aren't Turks. You have ortodox and even catholic Kosovars. They are ethnic Albanians and Albanians are indo-europeans descendants of old Illyrian tribes. You even have a few villages in Kosovo that are populated by Croats (Janjevci).
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Postby Frigidus on Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:52 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:Seriosuly though Iggy, because you must be clued up about this. How can a patriotic slav like you want to let those bloody Turks take land from our Orthodox brothers?


Wait...you don't mean religion do you? If so I'm honestly worried.
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Postby ignotus on Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:55 pm

Nappy, seriously...

Go read a book or two on this subject because you don't know jack sh*t and there could be a test tomorrow on this subject. :wink:
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Postby Napoleon Ier on Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:01 pm

ignotus wrote:
Napoleon Ier wrote:Seriosuly though Iggy, because you must be clued up about this. How can a patriotic slav like you want to let those bloody Turks take land from our Orthodox brothers?


First of all Croats are 95% Catholics.

Second: Kosovars aren't Turks. You have ortodox and even catholic Kosovars. They are ethnic Albanians and Albanians are indo-europeans descendants of old Illyrian tribes. You even have a few villages in Kosovo that are populated by Croats (Janjevci).


First : Well yeah, but the Orthopixies aren't bad guys... a little childish and stroppy back in 1054 or whenever that was, but basically decent, no?

Second : Ok, fine, but you're still surrendering a Christian land belonging to fellow slavs to the Momahetan hordes. Kosovo today, the Paris suburbs tommorrow?
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Postby Napoleon Ier on Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:02 pm

ignotus wrote:Nappy, seriously...

Go read a book or two on this subject because you don't know jack sh*t and there could be a test tomorrow on this subject. :wink:


No, I don't know a huge amount, so I'm asking you. And I'm only getting abuse.
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Postby got tonkaed on Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:04 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
ignotus wrote:Nappy, seriously...

Go read a book or two on this subject because you don't know jack sh*t and there could be a test tomorrow on this subject. :wink:


No, I don't know a huge amount, so I'm asking you. And I'm only getting abuse.



well your getting the abuse because the premise your arguing from is quite a bit different than the people who are responding to you.

Now you could be varying degrees of facetious about that second point in your last post, but if it holds some truth, your clearly going to be operating from a point that is difficult to reconcile with anyone whose going to reply to the thread.

I doubt most people see the issue in the terms as you are outlining them, therefore they will most likely not come to some of the conclusions thats you are.
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Postby ignotus on Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:09 pm

Napoleon Ier wrote:
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Napoleon Ier wrote:Seriosuly though Iggy, because you must be clued up about this. How can a patriotic slav like you want to let those bloody Turks take land from our Orthodox brothers?


First of all Croats are 95% Catholics.

Second: Kosovars aren't Turks. You have ortodox and even catholic Kosovars. They are ethnic Albanians and Albanians are indo-europeans descendants of old Illyrian tribes. You even have a few villages in Kosovo that are populated by Croats (Janjevci).


First : Well yeah, but the Orthopixies aren't bad guys... a little childish and stroppy back in 1054 or whenever that was, but basically decent, no?

Second : Ok, fine, but you're still surrendering a Christian land belonging to fellow slavs to the Momahetan hordes. Kosovo today, the Paris suburbs tommorrow?


You remind me of my mother. Day by day she is growing in her nationalism and racism. But she cooks and pays the bills so I must put up with it. :roll:

Nappy, your racism is like third nipple. Loose it because no mater how much you found it cool other people found it strange.



Your nationality or religion is not what matters. Are you a good human being is all that is important. :wink:


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