Kosovo is independent!

[milosel5104]

This you didn't know

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKyWvWLzBlQ

[milosel5104]

This you didn't know

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKyWvWLzBlQ

see this and tell me how you feel after words of islamic leaders: You will take over UK!

[milosel5104]

And this is the picture of Kingdom of Serbs,Croats and Slovenians:

http://www.srpskidespot.org.yu/Mape/KraljevinaSHS.jpg

which represents unity of south sloven(slaven) people, whome me and my "brother" ignotus belong to.

[milosel5104]

Kosovo is a heart of Serbia!

Serbia is rightfull owner of Kosovo and Metohija, by International and by God's law! Kosovo is foundry of Serbia for more than 1200 years...
The Albanians mass-migrated here in search for a better life which Serbia gave them.They are now in 80% there because they made exodus of non-Albanic people(not just serbs). Now with support of US they wont to make their own state. This ain't gonna happend.
If kosovo gets independence,there shall be WW3. I'm for a peacefull solution,but only way for peace is that kosovo stays in Serbia.

IF WE ARE GOING TO LIVE,WE ARE GOING TO LIVE IN FREEDOM AND PEACE,OR IF WE ARE GOING TO DIE,WE SHALL DIE FIGHTING FOR THAT FREEDOM!

so says a serb...

No,that says a person which studied Balkan history for more then 20 years. Unlike you...

HEY DONT BE SO MEAN U BIG BULLY, now i can see why kosovo wants to be independent

You don't have to write in small font. I'm not a bully. I'm trying to talk to you as with intelligent person. You have to hear both sides.

[brooksieb]

Kosovo is a heart of Serbia!

Serbia is rightfull owner of Kosovo and Metohija, by International and by God's law! Kosovo is foundry of Serbia for more than 1200 years...
The Albanians mass-migrated here in search for a better life which Serbia gave them.They are now in 80% there because they made exodus of non-Albanic people(not just serbs). Now with support of US they wont to make their own state. This ain't gonna happend.
If kosovo gets independence,there shall be WW3. I'm for a peacefull solution,but only way for peace is that kosovo stays in Serbia.

IF WE ARE GOING TO LIVE,WE ARE GOING TO LIVE IN FREEDOM AND PEACE,OR IF WE ARE GOING TO DIE,WE SHALL DIE FIGHTING FOR THAT FREEDOM!

so says a serb...

No,that says a person which studied Balkan history for more then 20 years. Unlike you...

HEY DONT BE SO MEAN U BIG BULLY, now i can see why kosovo wants to be independent

You don't have to write in small font. I'm not a bully. I'm trying to talk to you as with intelligent person. You have to hear both sides.

i understand afterall i wudnt want my country losing land, and i dont mind the protests, aslong as there peaceful i dont mind, but for NATO this is good since we now have more allies in the balkans

[Qwert]

i understand afterall i wudnt want my country losing land, and i dont mind the protests, aslong as there peaceful i dont mind, but for NATO this is good since we now have more allies in the balkans

Can you tell me where albanian army help Nato in some operation? Can you imagine Albanian army and US army together in some military operation? I only know that in Kosovo now grow Crime and Drugs Mafia,and US army protect Albanians. Everybody forget what albanians done with Serbian Monasteri and Chirch from 13 and 14 century,and nobody say nothing.

[brooksieb]

i understand afterall i wudnt want my country losing land, and i dont mind the protests, aslong as there peaceful i dont mind, but for NATO this is good since we now have more allies in the balkans

Can you tell me where albanian army help Nato in some operation? Can you imagine Albanian army and US army together in some military operation? I only know that in Kosovo now grow Crime and Drugs Mafia,and US army protect Albanians. Everybody forget what albanians done with Serbian Monasteri and Chirch from 13 and 14 century,and nobody say nothing.

well to be honest qwert i wud of not liked kosovo becoming independent but because of the recent genocide that happened there i think they shud be independent or atleast have their own parlament, like scotland has here

[ignotus]

i understand afterall i wudnt want my country losing land, and i dont mind the protests, aslong as there peaceful i dont mind, but for NATO this is good since we now have more allies in the balkans

Can you tell me where albanian army help Nato in some operation? Can you imagine Albanian army and US army together in some military operation? I only know that in Kosovo now grow Crime and Drugs Mafia,and US army protect Albanians. Everybody forget what albanians done with Serbian Monasteri and Chirch from 13 and 14 century,and nobody say nothing.

well to be honest qwert i wud of not liked kosovo becoming independent but because of the recent genocide that happened there i think they shud be independent or atleast have their own parlament, like scotland has here

@brooksieb: Actually they have it's own Parliament, and that parliament declared independence (Serbian representatives in it didn't show for the meeting so it was unanimous).

@ qwert: I can. I saw (with my own eyes) various UN peace keeping forces just 15 years ago that came from various African and Asian countries. So why should Albania be any problem?

@ milosel5104: Actually first Yugoslavia (Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenians) is my area of expertise. My personal opinion is that that country was corrupted and she was fixed so Serbs can be dominant nation.
btw Real Serbs (Serbs from Serbia) never honestly believed in South Slavic idea (it was idea that started in Croatia in 1/2 of 19th century). Even Vuk Karadžić claimed that all štokavci are Serbs and Garašanin made his Načertanje that was unofficial plan of any Great Serbian organization till modern times. http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7681/velika_srbija.gif



I don't believe that Serba is genocidal nation. And I admit that you have the right to be angry at the rest of world. But comparing numbers who killed who (mostly) in Kosovo during just the last 100 years? You lost Kosovo in Milošević era when your open conflict turned to ethnic cleansing (not just in Kosovo).

At least you (as a nation) must face reality and admit that you made monstrous things to Kosovars. Most of the Croatians (me included) admitted that my countrymen made some horrible things during the war and we made some mistakes that we now can't change but we could make the difference now with persecution of our war criminals. Can you really say that in the case of Serbia? How many Serbs were convicted because they killed Kosovars? Maybe that's the reason you lost Kosovo, but that's just my opinion.

EDIT: I don't want to preach you. I'm just trying to tell you, as a (not so) neutral third party, why most of the world is supporting Kosovo.

[Aidan Kerr]

let kosovo burn burn. bomb it serbia should invade down with kosovo

[ignotus]

let kosovo burn burn. bomb it serbia should invade down with kosovo

well that's a really wise opinion.

Grow up!

[brooksieb]

and make a coldwarII/III and possibly make ww3? i think not me gueesing ur under18 or under16 wont have to fight in it i wud though

[milosel5104]

ignotus: If I would say that WE never did any bad things,that would be a lie. But ,you and I are well-avere (is that the word) of wars in balkan's.
Everything would come down to "an eye for an eye". Milosevic was a dictaitor,and he made our country monstruos. We have our war criminals,but most of them is in Hag. But, what about a KLA, albanic terrorist? They weren't diplomats. They hanged my neighbours mother!
There was not "genocide" like CNN says,that was fight between KLA and
serbian anti-terrorist.
Brooksieb,you are right, the way it should be IS like Scotland in UK! But Kosmet(Kosovo) has own parlament for more than 40 years.Vojvodina also.

[milosel5104]

It's not true that we are mad at whole world.
Spain,Romania,Moldavia,Greece,Russia,China,Cyprus ... they are against this "independence".
And I'll say again that big protest was planned to be peacefull,and 500.000 people came in peace, but group of 300-500 drunk hooligans made this protest look bad. Now CNN says that 500.000 people burned US embassy.

[Guiscard]

It's not true that we are mad at whole world.
Spain,Romania,Moldavia,Greece,Russia,China,Cyprus ... they are against this "independence".
And I'll say again that big protest was planned to be peacefull,and 500.000 people came in peace, but group of 300-500 drunk hooligans made this protest look bad. Now CNN says that 500.000 people burned US embassy.

Don't worry, we got a fairly balanced picture of the protests in the UK. Did seem like a violent minority rather than a mass action.

But you do have to recognise exactly why those countries object to independence. Each has a vested interest in the issue due to their own political situations.

[milosel5104]

We are mad because international law was broken! The resolution that we signed states clearly: Kosovo is a part of world recognised state Serbia!

[Aidan Kerr]

Serbia should take it back it is there land i would challange how any nation in the UN could show otherwise. I hope they take it back and level the capital Pristina i hope Boris Tadic has the guts to do this and flex Serbia's muscles on Kosovo and so it's there land and i hope the Russian Federation allies with these noble people and crush Kosovo.These vile scum should die.





Mr.Tadic's speech in the UN HQ 4th round of "Talks"

http://www.predsednik.yu/default.asp?lng=eng

[milosel5104]

It's not true that we are mad at whole world.
Spain,Romania,Moldavia,Greece,Russia,China,Cyprus ... they are against this "independence".
And I'll say again that big protest was planned to be peacefull,and 500.000 people came in peace, but group of 300-500 drunk hooligans made this protest look bad. Now CNN says that 500.000 people burned US embassy.

Don't worry, we got a fairly balanced picture of the protests in the UK. Did seem like a violent minority rather than a mass action.

But you do have to recognise exactly why those countries object to independence. Each has a vested interest in the issue due to their own political situations.

The countries that recognise this "independence" also have political interests.

[Snorri1234]

It's not true that we are mad at whole world.
Spain,Romania,Moldavia,Greece,Russia,China,Cyprus ... they are against this "independence".
And I'll say again that big protest was planned to be peacefull,and 500.000 people came in peace, but group of 300-500 drunk hooligans made this protest look bad. Now CNN says that 500.000 people burned US embassy.

Don't worry, we got a fairly balanced picture of the protests in the UK. Did seem like a violent minority rather than a mass action.

But you do have to recognise exactly why those countries object to independence. Each has a vested interest in the issue due to their own political situations.

The countries that recognise this "independence" also have political interests.

Not all though.

[Aidan Kerr]

http://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/kosovo-meto ... p?id=43376

this sums up the veiw of the Serbs government.

unforntunetly no statement to advise head to nuclear war bunker


http://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/kosovo-meto ... p?id=43159

more stuff from the Serbs government website

[Hologram]

My stance on this is if they want to go ahead and separate, that's fine, but they'll have to defend that separation if they want to keep it.

Being from the U.S., I wholly support separatist movements anywhere (whether it's Kurdistan, Taiwan (yes, China is still claiming that they own Taiwan), or Kosovo) but they'll have to defend their declaration, just like we did. And hey, if they're lucky enough to get the backing of several major powers, then more power to them. If you'll remember, the American Patriots had some very important help from one of the world's then two most powerful empires.

[milosel5104]

Hologram, I sugest that this year you go in Kirgistan on holiday.
Then stop by to Albania. After that come to Belgrade,and I'll take you to a Mc Donalds (on my acount)

[milosel5104]

My stance on this is if they want to go ahead and separate, that's fine, but they'll have to defend that separation if they want to keep it.

Being from the U.S., I wholly support separatist movements anywhere (whether it's Kurdistan, Taiwan (yes, China is still claiming that they own Taiwan), or Kosovo) but they'll have to defend their declaration, just like we did. And hey, if they're lucky enough to get the backing of several major powers, then more power to them. If you'll remember, the American Patriots had some very important help from one of the world's then two most powerful empires.

What about Afghanistan? When they wanted to brake off from SSSR, Americans supplied them with Stinger missiles and other weapons. Now Us is their primary target.

[milosel5104]

Snorri I agree,but with your signature
Is there some poll for new CC slogan?

[ignotus]

Snorri I agree,but with your signature
Is there some poll for new CC slogan?

Well Serbian government silently claimed this slogan as their own.

[Ntetos]

Personally I am against of any separations of countries. Countries get weaker, nationalism rises and causes political instability and it may even lead to war.