GODFATHER MAFIA - FINALLY OVER! CORLEONES WIN!!!

by **Talapus** on Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:48 pm

/ wrote:
Talapus wrote:Also, why wait until now to tell us after the ice dagger bandwagon is well under way?
Meh, I don't know, With all the day kills i was thinking to wait until tomorrow, so I could have another result to reveal, but it seemed like we were really in a need for a good lynch.

So, let me get this straight. Currently you aren't even aware of your own sanity and you are asking us to vote for Fircoal based on what exactly? Also, how do you know ice dagger isn't a good lynch...I'm confused

by **riggable** on Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:55 pm

That was a real bonehead move "/"

I don't believe you would be that high up on the list of people the scum want to kill, you just aren't that important.

But since you Roleclaimed there are two possible outcomes:

1. You're telling the truth: Now the scum have a proven townie powerrole that can't protect itself at night for an easy-picking night 1 kill. Killing off the cop early is very beneficial for the mafia: Cops get more helful as the game goes on. So, you're banking on a doctor to protect you. Maybe he will for Night 1, but that leaves you wide open still for Night 2, 3, 4. The doctor can't protect you every night, and a smart scum group might wait till tommorow night to kill you off, when the doctor is off protecting somebody else. You're as good as dead, basically.

2. You're not the night cop: If you aren't a townie cop, under the Lynch-all-Liars rule, we should lynch you next. Also, it implies you are scum. The only reason a scum would roleclaim at this point in the game is to try to invoke a counterclaim, which would in turn give the scum a Night kill. This is silly, if you AREN't the cop, but somebody else is, that other person SHOULD NOT claim. Instead, investigate "/" tonight and find out what he really is, this could give us a great day 2 lynch.

So, you've just left yourself out to dry, and it sounds like you're trying to take Fircoal with you. In general, I think most mafia games have it so the good cops don't know who the bad cops are, just because it gets rid of a bunch of mystery and gameplay. I don't believe your claim that Fircoal is a bad cop, until I see some more substantial evidence.

by / on Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:55 pm

wicked wrote:Sorry but no cop in their right mind would come out and claim on DAY 1 when there wasn't even any danger of lynching you. Last ditch effort to save your buddy Ice? Now I don't know who to vote, you or Ice. Since Ice is closer, I say Ice

unvote vote Ice

Well, with so many kills, I figure I actually have a better chance if a doc knows who I am, instead of staying hidden.
I wouldn't put myself out like this without a good lead, which is why I asked if it was a lynch yet, if it was I would wait until tomorrow, I needed to say my role because Fircoal in my role has been said to be a bad cop, as suspected by my character, this wouldn't make sense if i didn't claim.
Anyways I'm fine with Lynching someone else, as long as the info is out there for later.

by / on Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:03 pm

riggable wrote:That was a real bonehead move "/"

I don't believe you would be that high up on the list of people the scum want to kill, you just aren't that important.

But since you Roleclaimed there are two possible outcomes:

1. You're telling the truth: Now the scum have a proven townie powerrole that can't protect itself at night for an easy-picking night 1 kill. Killing off the cop early is very beneficial for the mafia: Cops get more helful as the game goes on. So, you're banking on a doctor to protect you. Maybe he will for Night 1, but that leaves you wide open still for Night 2, 3, 4. The doctor can't protect you every night, and a smart scum group might wait till tommorow night to kill you off, when the doctor is off protecting somebody else. You're as good as dead, basically.

2. You're not the night cop: If you aren't a townie cop, under the Lynch-all-Liars rule, we should lynch you next. Also, it implies you are scum. The only reason a scum would roleclaim at this point in the game is to try to invoke a counterclaim, which would in turn give the scum a Night kill. This is silly, if you AREN't the cop, but somebody else is, that other person SHOULD NOT claim. Instead, investigate "/" tonight and find out what he really is, this could give us a great day 2 lynch.

So, you've just left yourself out to dry, and it sounds like you're trying to take Fircoal with you. In general, I think most mafia games have it so the good cops don't know who the bad cops are, just because it gets rid of a bunch of mystery and gameplay. I don't believe your claim that Fircoal is a bad cop, until I see some more substantial evidence.

As i have said, since I have info on fircoal and I think he is scum, he probably knows who I am anyways too (as part of his role) and would tell his scum group, I get killed anyways, if there is more than one cop, from what I know of his role, he probably knows them too, this way I can atleast protect the identities of any others.
I can not quote my PM but otherwise ask me anything to do this night to help with my claim.

by **Anarkistsdream** on Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:06 pm

/ wrote:
riggable wrote:That was a real bonehead move "/"

I don't believe you would be that high up on the list of people the scum want to kill, you just aren't that important.

But since you Roleclaimed there are two possible outcomes:

1. You're telling the truth: Now the scum have a proven townie powerrole that can't protect itself at night for an easy-picking night 1 kill. Killing off the cop early is very beneficial for the mafia: Cops get more helful as the game goes on. So, you're banking on a doctor to protect you. Maybe he will for Night 1, but that leaves you wide open still for Night 2, 3, 4. The doctor can't protect you every night, and a smart scum group might wait till tommorow night to kill you off, when the doctor is off protecting somebody else. You're as good as dead, basically.

2. You're not the night cop: If you aren't a townie cop, under the Lynch-all-Liars rule, we should lynch you next. Also, it implies you are scum. The only reason a scum would roleclaim at this point in the game is to try to invoke a counterclaim, which would in turn give the scum a Night kill. This is silly, if you AREN't the cop, but somebody else is, that other person SHOULD NOT claim. Instead, investigate "/" tonight and find out what he really is, this could give us a great day 2 lynch.

So, you've just left yourself out to dry, and it sounds like you're trying to take Fircoal with you. In general, I think most mafia games have it so the good cops don't know who the bad cops are, just because it gets rid of a bunch of mystery and gameplay. I don't believe your claim that Fircoal is a bad cop, until I see some more substantial evidence.
As i have said, since I have info on fircoal and I think he is scum, he probably knows who I am anyways too (as part of his role) and would tell his scum group, I get killed anyways, if there is more than one cop, from what I know of his role, he probably knows them too, this way I can atleast protect the identities of any others.
I can not quote my PM but otherwise ask me anything to do this night to help with my claim.

There is nothing to ask you. You could be a crooked cop, and insane cop, a naive cop, or simply not a cop at all.

Regardless, there is nothing that can eb made concrete by one night, and now you will probably be NKed, so why ask you to do something?

Jesus, I agree with Riggable, I think you brought this out WAY too early.

The only thing that would make your claim more believeable is to explain WITHOUT quoting, how exactly you know Fircoal and what makes you think he's a bad cop.

by / on Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:09 pm

Fine I guess I hope this is within the rules.
Fircoal is Mark McClusky, as I have said I am a deputy, he is my captain, since I suspect him, that's why I'm in the game.

by **gimpyThewonder** on Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:36 pm

/ wrote:
Talapus wrote:Also, why wait until now to tell us after the ice dagger bandwagon is well under way?
Meh, I don't know, With all the day kills i was thinking to wait until tomorrow, so I could have another result to reveal, but it seemed like we were really in a need for a good lynch.

IF you are a night cop how can you have another result. How did you get the first result. your logic isn't making sense

by / on Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:40 pm

gimpyThewonder wrote:
/ wrote:
Talapus wrote:Also, why wait until now to tell us after the ice dagger bandwagon is well under way?
Meh, I don't know, With all the day kills i was thinking to wait until tomorrow, so I could have another result to reveal, but it seemed like we were really in a need for a good lynch.

IF you are a night cop how can you have another result. How did you get the first result. your logic isn't making sense

I suppose not, I just misspoke, as I said, what I'm saying now I've known from the start, i meant that I could have my first result after tonight to back up my claim of what I'm saying today.

by **gimpyThewonder** on Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:49 pm

ok that makes a bit more sense

by **MountainLion** on Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:51 pm

Found on the internet:

"A crooked police Captain Mark McCluskey (Sterling Hayden) enters the scene, on the payroll of Sollozzo and the one responsible for removing the guards from Corleone's room to set up the second assassination plot."

I tend to believe /, but I don't understand how he could know known scum right off the bat, however we've already had 2 day kills that benefit scum, so why not give us a break here?

Did he bring this info out too early? Perhaps, but does that make him scum? Absolutely not.

We need to take some time and think this through.

QUESTION: Can't the doc protect the same person night after night? I thought they could...

FOS Anark, riggable, and especially wicked for trying to drop a hammer when we have new evidence.

by **militant** on Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:53 pm

/ wrote:Is that a lynch? if not I have some important info to say.

Can we have a vote count please mod

, also i am going to refrain from voting until we get one, i dont want to hammer anyone. I agree with wicked, / is trying to protect ice, as riggable said you are as good as dead, you why claim on day 1.

by **MountainLion** on Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:54 pm

Also I think if any evidence for known scum is presented, wouldn't a town player hope that it was true rather than question it right away? If Anark, riggable and wicked all turn out scum as well, "/" just did a HELL of a job as cop.

by **militant** on Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:57 pm

MountainLion wrote:Also I think if any evidence for known scum is presented, wouldn't a town player hope that it was true rather than question it right away? If Anark, riggable and wicked all turn out scum as well, "/" just did a HELL of a job as cop.

Of course a town player would hope to have found a scum, but that doesnt mean you stop analysing what someone said, this game cant be won by hoping, so you have to pick holes in stuff and find possible scum tells to win.

by **MountainLion** on Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:57 pm

Oh and if he's trying to protect ice, I don't think that's something scum would do so early, and in a way that can put a lynch on their head if they're wrong. Because what if we follow what / says and lynch Fircoal...if he turns up innocent, then both / AND Ice are done for, thus getting 2 scum instead of only 1 if / stays quiet.

"/" needs a new username, lol.

by **rebelman** on Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:04 pm

kalishnikov wrote:
Unvote, vote: rebelman For clearly being submarining scum, plus I'll always be suspicious of you in every game we are both in... Kinda like mandalorian... .

im honoured as for submarining i have now raised my periscope, im a bit dubious of this bandwagon but it fits into the better than nothing category so unvote vote ice

by **MountainLion** on Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:10 pm

Umm....hey rebelman, do you have an opinion on what / has presented? :roll:

by **rebelman** on Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:17 pm

MountainLion wrote:Umm....hey rebelman, do you have an opinion on what / has presented?

i concur with riggable he was daft coming out on day 1 saying it - in a game this size there is bound to be at least one doc so \ can be protected tonight but the doc will have others to protect as this game evolves - its very noticeable fircoal hasnt refuted the claim and it does stack up somewhat as a result there has to be an fos on riggable but based on what we know i dont think we have enough info to go after fircoal or \ hence my decision to vote the candidate we have some reason to vote for even if that reason is paper thin.

by **rebelman** on Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:19 pm

rebelman wrote:
MountainLion wrote:Umm....hey rebelman, do you have an opinion on what / has presented?

i concur with riggable he was daft coming out on day 1 saying it - in a game this size there is bound to be at least one doc so \ can be protected tonight but the doc will have others to protect as this game evolves - its very noticeable fircoal hasnt refuted the claim and it does stack up somewhat as a result there has to be an fos on fircoal but based on what we know i dont think we have enough info to go after fircoal or \ hence my decision to vote the candidate we have some reason to vote for even if that reason is paper thin.

correction fos on fircoal not riggable :oops:

by **icedagger** on Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:28 pm

I don't know why people are still voting for me after such a good lead from /.. after all if he's lying we can lynch him the day after? Why would he make a fake claim on day one? The "to save icedagger" thory is ridiculous, it just means both me and him would get lynched after Fircoal turned out town. I don't know how many votes there are on me but I can claim if nessecary.

Unvote Vote Fircoal

by **gimpyThewonder** on Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:55 pm

I'd like to hear from fircoal personally

by **wicked** on Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:03 pm

It sounds like / has some kind of WC to take out fircola maybe?. I've never heard of anyone being given another person's role AND name AND alignment in their role PM unless they were scum. Sorry, but I'm not buying it... it's WAY too farfetched to be logical.

And the timing of it is just too coincidental.... Ice is close to lynch and here comes / to try to throw us in a completely different direction. Classic scum protecting scum behavior.

by **icedagger** on Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:05 pm

kiwi seems to have confirmed /'s role but in the wrong thread..

by **icedagger** on Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:16 pm

Seen Fircoal browsing forum games a couple of times but he hasn't posted..

by **Fircoal** on Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:21 pm

icedagger wrote:Seen Fircoal browsing forum games a couple of times but he hasn't posted..

because I"m reading, and I'm slow because I get distracted by everything???

Anyway, all I know his some of what he says is right. I am Captain Mark Mcluskey, though I'm not scum, and I have no idea at all about what / is saying. I didn't get any other info in my pm besides my name, and that I was a pro-town cop. That's it.