Evolution vs Creation-Comparing each View

[Neoteny]

I'm really just curious if everyone recognizes the point we're trying to make. I don't care if you agree with it or not.

[PLAYER57832]

I'm really just curious if everyone recognizes the point we're trying to make. I don't care if you agree with it or not.

Actually you are missing the point entirely. 1 + 1 = 2 because we DEFINE it as such. Once beyond the basic definitions, though math is proveable. Science, on the other hand is the opposite. You can almost never prove anything. (note the "almost") instead you DISPROVE and what is left .. is the truth. "no matter how improbable"

AND there are always those who wish to blurr the truth, change the subject and just generally make it seem as if there is a "debate" where none actually exists.

[Neoteny]

I'm really just curious if everyone recognizes the point we're trying to make. I don't care if you agree with it or not.

Actually you are missing the point entirely. 1 + 1 = 2 because we DEFINE it as such. Once beyond the basic definitions, though math is proveable. Science, on the other hand is the opposite. You can almost never prove anything. (note the "almost") instead you DISPROVE and what is left .. is the truth. "no matter how improbable"

AND there are always those who wish to blurr the truth, change the subject and just generally make it seem as if there is a "debate" where none actually exists.

Except, that was our point.

[DangerBoy]

LMFAO at this MeDeFe jerk! So get this, I'm browsing through the forums and go over to the General Discussion part. Apparently, demanding proof that 1 + 1 = 2 isn't the only time MeDeFe has gone out of his way to sound like a demanding prick. What was meant to be a cool gesture of congratulations was soon turned into an argument because people didn't measure up to his standards of what a proper contratulation is. What an ass!

Here's the link:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=48973&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

You can see his arrogance in his first post, and then later has the audacity to post a link trying to prop himself up. So I guess we can see this guy's pattern of behavior. The other people over there didn't appreciate his stupidity either but he just doesn't get the hint. Read their comments.

I could have told you all that just from the way he writes his posts. Go back to page 95 and you'll find this inserted in his post:

If I remember correctly it was when daddy1gringo and I were arguing absolute truth and occasionally other people would dare speak up as well.

Glad to see that people in the General Discussion are realizing this as well.

[MeDeFe]

Good to see irony is still appreciated.

[bradleybadly]

LMFAO at this MeDeFe jerk! So get this, I'm browsing through the forums and go over to the General Discussion part. Apparently, demanding proof that 1 + 1 = 2 isn't the only time MeDeFe has gone out of his way to sound like a demanding prick. What was meant to be a cool gesture of congratulations was soon turned into an argument because people didn't measure up to his standards of what a proper contratulation is. What an ass!

Here's the link:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=48973&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

You can see his arrogance in his first post, and then later has the audacity to post a link trying to prop himself up. So I guess we can see this guy's pattern of behavior. The other people over there didn't appreciate his stupidity either but he just doesn't get the hint. Read their comments.

LOL! Yeah, I suspected as much. He goes around trying to make himself sound intellectually significant.

Some of my favorites from that thread -

Once again, you're reading too much into this or, if you will, trying too hard to "find holes in people's arguments."

As I see it, only a true asshole would take something as simple as a congratulations and turn it into an attack on the poster. What a prick.

Are you really so insecure about yourself that you have to make this thread about you, MeDeFe? Why not just let people show their appreciation in their own way and get lost.

and the best one!.................................

So far so good, any questions?

Yep, who pissed in your Wheaties?

The sad thing is that there's some younger people here who probably encourage him even further by not challenging him. Wow, this was great, and it's not even Christmas!

[PLAYER57832]

The sad thing is that there's some younger people here who probably encourage him even further by not challenging him.  Wow, this was great, and it's not even Christmas!

No, argument is what he wants.  Ignoring him is much better.... though I am guilty of responding myself.

Personally, it is not his "discussion"  that is annoying ... a lot of people like discussing even the EXTREMELY esoteric.  It is that he wants to turn every discussion, anywhere into his "I am right, you are stupid" argument.

[AlgyTaylor]

I dont care how irrational it is, I dont care how much evidence there is to refute it, my pixie book says the Grand Pixie created the entire universe 63 years ago . I have read the book since I was a baby so it must be true, there are also big colour pictures including my favourite one which shows GP creating a hedgehog with a piece of dazzling backhand wand action.

[MeDeFe]

The sad thing is that there's some younger people here who probably encourage him even further by not challenging him. Wow, this was great, and it's not even Christmas!

No, argument is what he wants. Ignoring him is much better.... though I am guilty of responding myself.

Personally, it is not his "discussion" that is annoying ... a lot of people like discussing even the EXTREMELY esoteric. It is that he wants to turn every discussion, anywhere into his "I am right, you are stupid" argument.

Indeed, I want arguments as in "reasons for why a person is of a certain opinion", lately I've been getting inane flaming, though.

[reminisco]

Indeed, I want arguments as in "reasons for why a person is of a certain opinion", lately I've been getting inane flaming, though.

Al-Qaeda controls the weather. don't even try to deny it, sucka!

[Neoteny]

The sad thing is that there's some younger people here who probably encourage him even further by not challenging him. Wow, this was great, and it's not even Christmas!

No, argument is what he wants. Ignoring him is much better.... though I am guilty of responding myself.

Personally, it is not his "discussion" that is annoying ... a lot of people like discussing even the EXTREMELY esoteric. It is that he wants to turn every discussion, anywhere into his "I am right, you are stupid" argument.

Indeed, I want arguments as in "reasons for why a person is of a certain opinion", lately I've been getting inane flaming, though.

It seems to be an epidemic. You should buy some sort of ointment for that.

[PLAYER57832]

No, argument is what he wants. Ignoring him is much better.... though I am guilty of responding myself.

Personally, it is not his "discussion" that is annoying ... a lot of people like discussing even the EXTREMELY esoteric. It is that he wants to turn every discussion, anywhere into his "I am right, you are stupid" argument.

Indeed, I want arguments as in "reasons for why a person is of a certain opinion", lately I've been getting inane flaming, though.

Sorry MeDeFe, I got you partly mixed up with someone else. You aren't the one with all the "I am right, you are stupid" comments.

BUT, I do wish you (and the rest who do the same) would try to stay "on topic". It DOES get annoying to weed through 20 irrelevant comments just to see one new on topic addition.

[Neoteny]

No, argument is what he wants. Ignoring him is much better.... though I am guilty of responding myself.

Personally, it is not his "discussion" that is annoying ... a lot of people like discussing even the EXTREMELY esoteric. It is that he wants to turn every discussion, anywhere into his "I am right, you are stupid" argument.

Indeed, I want arguments as in "reasons for why a person is of a certain opinion", lately I've been getting inane flaming, though.

Sorry MeDeFe, I got you partly mixed up with someone else. You aren't the one with all the "I am right, you are stupid" comments.

BUT, I do wish you (and the rest who do the same) would try to stay "on topic". It DOES get annoying to weed through 20 irrelevant comments just to see one new on topic addition.

Well, when the topic devolves into ridiculous volleys of "poopyface," (it happens when Widow hasn't checked in in a while) we tend to just piss around to keep the topic alive. Both sides will chuckle to themselves about how right they are and how archaic the opponents are. Once you get used to the pattern, it's quite fun.

[bradleybadly]

No, argument is what he wants. Ignoring him is much better.... though I am guilty of responding myself.

Agreed. He's been exposed for how he behaves, in this and other forum threads.

Back on topic then! I would like to see anyone who has evidence or proof that the earth is only thousands of years old. If the earth is that young then there should be some type of way to verify this according to creationists.

[MeDeFe]

No, argument is what he wants. Ignoring him is much better.... though I am guilty of responding myself.

Agreed. He's been exposed for how he behaves, in this and other forum threads.

Back on topic then! I would like to see anyone who has evidence or proof that the earth is only thousands of years old. If the earth is that young then there should be some type of way to verify this according to creationists.

Can anyone say "short attention span", the contents of that post were already partly revised in a later. Really, bradley, what's your problem? You've been trying to pick on me for I don't know how many pages now, all the time arguing against a strawman that was constructed by quoting me out of context and ignoring any clarifications I offered. What do you want? A group hug? A "win"? Tell us what's burdening you and you'll feel better.

[silvanricky]

No, argument is what he wants. Ignoring him is much better

[Snorri1234]

THE BIBLE SAYS THE EARTH IS YOUNG AND SINCE THE BIBLE SAYS IT'S TRUE THAT MUST MEAN IT IS!

[PLAYER57832]

THE BIBLE SAYS THE EARTH IS YOUNG AND SINCE THE BIBLE SAYS IT'S TRUE THAT MUST MEAN IT IS!

NO, the Bible says no such thing.  The Bible says that God created the Earth.  HUMANS claim that means all sorts of things.  

But most of us have no objection to folks believing as they wish.   The PROBLEM is when you try to claim that these ideas that HAVE been soundly and roundly disproven cannot be true because YOU cannot conceive of how they could be true and the Bible could be true.
But you know what?  a few hundred years ago folks thought the Bible meant that the Sun HAD to revolve around the sun ... because to say otherwise was to indicate that humans and earth were somehow inferior.  

Neither God nor the Bible are limited by our understanding. The TRUTH is in the Bible ...and it is in science. When the two seem to conflict, it is US the fault of narrow minded humans, not God or Christianity.

[Napoleon Ier]

THE BIBLE SAYS THE EARTH IS YOUNG AND SINCE THE BIBLE SAYS IT'S TRUE THAT MUST MEAN IT IS!

NO, the Bible says no such thing. The Bible says that God created the Earth. HUMANS claim that means all sorts of things.

But most of us have no objection to folks believing as they wish. The PROBLEM is when you try to claim that these ideas that HAVE been soundly and roundly disproven cannot be true because YOU cannot conceive of how they could be true and the Bible could be true.
But you know what? a few hundred years ago folks thought the Bible meant that the Sun HAD to revolve around the sun ... because to say otherwise was to indicate that humans and earth were somehow inferior.

Neither God nor the Bible are limited by our understanding. The TRUTH is in the Bible ...and it is in science. When the two seem to conflict, it is US the fault of narrow minded humans, not God or Christianity.

No, that was a rather puerile and misjugded attemptat humour.

[Frigidus]

Neither God nor the Bible are limited by our understanding. The TRUTH is in the Bible ...and it is in science. When the two seem to conflict, it is US the fault of narrow minded humans, not God or Christianity.

I disagree! But not wanting to start another debate that goes nowhere I'll restrain myself...for the moment.

[PLAYER57832]

Neither God nor the Bible are limited by our understanding. The TRUTH is in the Bible ...and it is in science. When the two seem to conflict, it is US the fault of narrow minded humans, not God or Christianity.

I disagree! But not wanting to start another debate that goes nowhere I'll restrain myself...for the moment.

I should have said, "for a Christian, the Bible is truth."

[reminisco]

you know, i read Mere Christianity years ago. a compelling book, by an astute and sublime author. i'm sure the uber-christians here know who wrote that.

a friend lent me his copy of The Reason for God: Belief in an Age of Skepticism by Timothy Keller. It's actually quite an interesting read. and i'm not a bible thumper or anything, and i'm one of those skeptics for whom the book was apparently written. i've happily (and greedily) devoured a great deal of philosophy in my time -- i tend to gravitate towards the existentialists more than anyone else.

but that's just my own personal bias. why i'm telling you all of this is that i think the uber-christians and the atheists alike would likely find something worthwhile in the book. it's a quick read, and it's heavily critical of religion. which is cool. sort of like reading Kierkegaard again, but with 21st century language (i mean, the book opens with a quote from Darth Vader).

your local library should have a copy.

[Neoteny]

you know, i read Mere Christianity years ago. a compelling book, by an astute and sublime author. i'm sure the uber-christians here know who wrote that.

a friend lent me his copy of The Reason for God: Belief in an Age of Skepticism by Timothy Keller. It's actually quite an interesting read. and i'm not a bible thumper or anything, and i'm one of those skeptics for whom the book was apparently written. i've happily (and greedily) devoured a great deal of philosophy in my time -- i tend to gravitate towards the existentialists more than anyone else.

but that's just my own personal bias. why i'm telling you all of this is that i think the uber-christians and the atheists alike would likely find something worthwhile in the book. it's a quick read, and it's heavily critical of religion. which is cool. sort of like reading Kierkegaard again, but with 21st century language (i mean, the book opens with a quote from Darth Vader).

your local library should have a copy.

There's actually a copy of the Keller book lying around my house for some reason. I've considered picking it up, but I'm too closed-minded for that.

[Neoteny]

We need more cowbell!

[Snorri1234]

We need more cowbell!

Yes we do.