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Re: account sitting issues..new rule? discuss!!! New Poll added

Postby Blitzaholic on Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:18 pm

wicked wrote:
hulmey wrote:Now ladies and gentleman, we are talking about 2 games, thats all!! I think i took 3 or 4 turns!!


Thank you for proving my point. In a period of less than a day, when you knew he wouldn't be gone for more than a day, you took 3-4 of his turns in two casual games where he *may* have only missed one turn maximum. One round is a minimum of 24 hours; why did you feel compelled to take 3-4 turns when two would've sufficed? Or are you going to change your story back again to your initial statement?




wicked makes a good point, should only be 1 turn or 2 max like she said there
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Re: account sitting issues..new rule? discuss!!! New Poll added

Postby Blitzaholic on Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:22 pm

Twill wrote:This is why I shouldn't have my own life and take weekends off :)

The "official" rule on the topic of team mates is FAQ 15.
Can I let another player take a turn for me when I am away from the game?

You can, with the stipulation that the account babysitter is not your opponent in any current game and does not start or join new games (except for ongoing tournaments). It is common courtesy to announce in game chat that another player will take your turn(s) during your absence.


Yes, there is nothing that says anything about 24 hours and so saying that "The official rules say 24 hours" is slightly mistaken. 24 hours is a policy that we have been promoting but have never fully enacted because it was not considered necessary at the time and we like users to not feel overly restricted with lots of rules. (nobody likes rules and nobody reads anything, so what was the point anyway :P )

I am re-sticking this thread because it was promised to be stuck for 20 days so that the community can have input.

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so, sounds like a teammate can make a turn for a teammate if the teammate cannot be around if i read this right and it can be less than 24 hours. Twill said you cannot take one for an opponent, which is obvious.

Let me make it simple if coop and i were playing owen and brett and coop pm'd me saying he had to work late, blitz take my moves so i dont miss turns, and I say ok, fine, but in the same game if owen asked me the same thing, i would have to say NO, cause i am playing against him, and all know if i moved for owen i would bust his own teammates bonus of brett's, lol :lol:


not funny, actually, true story, one of my teammates busted my bonus and we lost and had the game won easily, sighs. :roll:
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Postby owenshooter on Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:23 pm

Blitzaholic wrote:wicked makes a good point, should only be 1 turn or 2 max like she said there


completely agree... and a partner hasn't taken a turn for me in over 2 months. it is not a daily, weekly or even monthly occurence.-0
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Postby owenshooter on Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:32 pm

Blitzaholic wrote:Let me make it simple if coop and i were playing owen and brett and coop pm'd me saying he had to work late, blitz take my moves so i dont miss turns, and I say ok, fine, but in the same game if owen asked me the same thing, i would have to say NO, cause i am playing against him, and we all know if i moved for owen i would bust his own teammates bonus of brett's, lol :lol:

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Re: account sitting issues..new rule? discuss!!! New Poll added

Postby owenshooter on Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:43 pm

Twill wrote:Yes, there is nothing that says anything about 24 hours and so saying that "The official rules say 24 hours" is slightly mistaken. 24 hours is a policy that we have been promoting but have never fully enacted because it was not considered necessary at the time and we like users to not feel overly restricted with lots of rules. (nobody likes rules and nobody reads anything, so what was the point anyway :P )

good, so the world continues to go round and round, and from my own understanding of the rules as verified by twill, my practices are not cheating. this is what community interaction is all about. resolutions. i hope the debate continues, it is very interesting.-0

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Re: account sitting issues..new rule? discuss!!! New Poll added

Postby nagerous on Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:55 pm

Blah it doesn't matter. Those involved inc. me weren't punished, just warned. There is also works from the sounds of the things on a new CC rule so greater clarification on this unwritten rule can be made + also cleared up. Lord Voldemort missed lots of turns on the day of said incident because he was away but he logged onto CC unable to take turns just briefly visit the forums and PMs (due to business of his schedule). Now, if punishments were doled out I'd be severely pissed off right now but they weren't so fair enough. I think thats clear enough but I don't like people calling other people illegitimate users as that seems slightly unfair.
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Postby Dancing Mustard on Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:01 pm

wicked wrote:
hulmey wrote:Now ladies and gentleman, we are talking about 2 games, thats all!! I think i took 3 or 4 turns!!


Thank you for proving my point. In a period of less than a day, when you knew he wouldn't be gone for more than a day, you took 3-4 of his turns in two casual games where he *may* have only missed one turn maximum. One round is a minimum of 24 hours; why did you feel compelled to take 3-4 turns when two would've sufficed? Or are you going to change your story back again to your initial statement?

Isn't Hulmey saying in his post that he took one or two goes in one or two games, making a total of up to four goes in total? i.e. all the turns that were necessary to keep lovo afloat during his brief absence?
I can't help but feel that in the headlong rush to prove your 'point', you might have misinterpreted what he was actually trying to say.

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:dont start games before concerts. you knew ahead of time of the time difference. why all of a sudden these things became issues? I dont except excuses.

Yes yes Johnny, Risk is very serious business and all that... you're right, we ought to plan our lives around our Risk games, and not start games (which are supposed to be fun) if there might be a small chance of us missing a turn if they go long and we live our lives (y'know, those things that you indulge in away from the computer screen) normally.

You're quite right, excuses just aren't good enough, CC is more important than anything else in this world, and to deny that is treason against God himself.

Seriously mate, lighten up about it. It's just a game, and sometimes people's real-lives have to take precedence over it; and occasionally, just once or twice, normal people aren't going to check their diaries to ensure that they'll be able to sign in to play Risk every 24hours for the next three weeks in advance.
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Postby eye84free on Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:31 pm

lets see here..if its team games and ur playing ur partner due to them not being around or its better the other team mate plays it due to time issues or other problems.. i do not see an issue with this..being in a clan we always help out our clan mates and this also applys to friends in CC. this seems to be acceptable.. but if ur playing the other player in standard games such as 1vs 1 or more if ur in the game and there also in the game..this should not be alowed. this is just my feeling on this subject. but team games as long as there on the same team i feel is not an issue and dont know why someone would complain about it.
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Re: account sitting issues..new rule? discuss!!! New Poll added

Postby hulmey on Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:35 pm

Fucking hell DM, can we amke you a mod??? Level headed and a great communicator....

I took 3-4 turns in 2 games!! fucking big deal. I dont need to cheat to win. In dubs i could have anybody on this website!! I hardly play freestyle coz it sucks and i think i only played one game. So the warning dont mean nothing to me, but this could effect other genuie freestyle players.

Just for the record we won 1 and lost 1.


Ps...i didnt know the unwritten rules and i never knew lovo was online for 30 mins that day and i never went to any concert (JR), so again why was I warned.

Just for the record we won 1 and lost 1.
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Postby hulmey on Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:40 pm

Just to prove to everyone that in both games, we did miss go's!! I ask wicked, Was this some kind of stragey to beat the oppoistion?


Game number 2244716
2008-04-22 04:54:24 - lord voldemort missed a turn
2008-04-22 04:54:24 - hulmey missed a turn

Game number
2008-04-22 04:28:02 - lord voldemort missed a turn
2008-04-22 04:28:02 - hulmey missed a turn

Will CC and the mods forum, now be man/woman enough to revoke your warning and eat humble pie?
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Re: account sitting issues..new rule? discuss!!! New Poll added

Postby hulmey on Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:49 pm

Maybe a way to once and for all resolve the babysitting issue is to take a leaf out of Tribal Wars book (www.tribalwars.con). If you are going to let someone babysit your account, you then have to fill out an eticket with the player/s that are babysitting :D

Then there are no excuse's once you are busted! this will also give the mods a record of who is babysitting and when etc...This way also responsbility is firmly placed in the users hands!

Very easy and will resolve the matter once and for all and not piss off INNOCENT people!

all agree say aye
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Postby greenoaks on Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:20 pm

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Postby osujacket on Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:41 pm

Wow

Cant believe' some of the discussion here. Many times over the course of a year will I not be available for 24 hours. I have real life, I get up, go to work go to kids events or a late work dinner come home late at night and need to go to bed to do it all again. As much as Id like to admit it my life doesnt revolve around this site.

Now I read here that when those days when I physically cannot take my turns I'm suppose to skip all my turns? Wow, I guess I could be a branded cheater for asking for help. If that rule ,unwritten or otherwise, exists it would make the site very difficult for me and I would probably drop out.

I see nothing wrong with having someone go through my account once and taking all my turns one in each game. Of course I dont play Freestyle as I can see why those would be different.

Now in a standard game I cant ask a partner to take my turn?? well what does that prove? I'd just find someone else to do it but why not let the partner take a turn.

Now I'm not talking multiple turns or free style games but come on look to enforce the letter of the law and the intent of whats happening. Set the rule up for freestyle but realize people need help in a 24 hour period at times.

We use this place for an escape. Don't punish people who have busy life's by saying you cant get a sitter if your gone for a night. If your gonna get a sitter who cares if its a teammate especially in standard games. Come on, this site is better than that.
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Postby wicked on Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:44 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:Isn't Hulmey saying in his post that he took one or two goes in one or two games, making a total of up to four goes in total? i.e. all the turns that were necessary to keep lovo afloat during his brief absence?
I can't help but feel that in the headlong rush to prove your 'point', you might have misinterpreted what he was actually trying to say.


Nope. Two games should've been a max of two turns, not four. THAT was my point. Or in your rush to chastise me for any reason imaginable, did you miss that?

And hulmey, as your warning clearly states, you were warned for the turns taken on 4/23-24.

I think you guys are missing the point here about what is considered abuse. It'll all be made clear soon enough with the clarified rule.
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Postby lord voldemort on Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:52 pm

wows...
firstly jr. just cause im away for a brief period doesnt mean i have to stop playing games. jee this is a game not the fucking olympics.
the e-tickey thing could be useful.
in regards to our warning. we actually didnt gain an advantage, they took my turns to stop me missing turns what is wrong with this, its a double standard, just because more than 50% of my games are team freestyle does that mean im not allowed a baby sitter?
who else am i going to get to sit my account, i trust perhaps 5-6 members on this site with my account. all of whom im in games with. it makes most logical sense to get someone im playing team games with to take turns cause i know that they are going to be doing the right thing.
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Postby wicked on Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:16 pm

Might behoove some of you to read this thread, especially Andy's post on our official position...

AndyDufresne wrote:
While "account sitting" is an accepted practice, using it to increase odds of winning, to gain an artificial advantage in team games or to generally rain on someones parade with the intent of increasing your winning odds, etc, is toeing the line of multiple accounts and may result in account(s) being blocked, banned or generally slapped on the wrist from here on out.

We've got our eyes out, ;)


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Postby owenshooter on Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:51 pm

wicked wrote:Might behoove some of you to read this thread, especially Andy's post on our official position...

AndyDufresne wrote:
While "account sitting" is an accepted practice, using it to increase odds of winning, to gain an artificial advantage in team games or to generally rain on someones parade with the intent of increasing your winning odds, etc, is toeing the line of multiple accounts and may result in account(s) being blocked, banned or generally slapped on the wrist from here on out.

We've got our eyes out, ;)


--Andy


why, doesn't say anything counter to what Twill stated earlier, and that is what i'm rolling with.-0
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Postby MajorRT on Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:51 pm

wow. I am fairly new to this site ; haven't played many team games and now knowing the collusion that was and is happening, I'm not sure I should play more team games ; it seem unfair....
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Postby owenshooter on Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:58 pm

MajorRT wrote:wow. I am fairly new to this site ; haven't played many team games and now knowing the collusion that was and is happening, I'm not sure I should play more team games ; it seem unfair....

the fact that teams, clans, friends all discuss turns before a move is made is collusion? or is it the fact that every now and then a team member may cover for another team member, so they don't miss in games due to real life issues? please define COLLUSION, and as you see how it affects the team game atmosphere. thank you.-0
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Postby lord voldemort on Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:08 am

wicked wrote:Might behoove some of you to read this thread, especially Andy's post on our official position...

AndyDufresne wrote:
While "account sitting" is an accepted practice, using it to increase odds of winning, to gain an artificial advantage in team games or to generally rain on someones parade with the intent of increasing your winning odds, etc, is toeing the line of multiple accounts and may result in account(s) being blocked, banned or generally slapped on the wrist from here on out.

We've got our eyes out, ;)


--Andy

that example was different to the current situation. skyt was allegedly joining games and taking turns using all 3 accounts regularly he also had all 3 people in the same room. here we discuss over skype, msn mobile phone etc. we all live in different countries. wait different continents
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Postby Dancing Mustard on Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:14 am

wicked wrote:Nope. Two games should've been a max of two turns, not four. THAT was my point.
So what you're getting upset about here; is somebody being instructed to 'account-sit', taking the first set of goes available, checking back later to ensure that no other goes would be missed, taking two more goes that were available, but committing the offence of not psychicly knowing that the user they were assisting would in fact have been able to take those goes had they waited till the last minute.

In other words, Lovo said 'account sit for 24 hours', and Hulmey account-sat all of lovo's goes which came available in those 24 hours. Y'know, just like account sitters are supposed to do.
Sure, he could have done less than that and let lovo's clocks run down, hoping that lovo himself would return and be able to take the goes, but instead he chose to account-sit to the best of his ability, ensured that lovo missed no turns at all, and took all turns as promptly as possible.

Now excuse me for a moment here, I realise that games of Risk are a very serious business and all, but I really can't see the problem with that kind of behaviour. Yes, the physical minimum that was required eventually transpired to be two turns, but Hulmey's behaviour wasn't unreasonable, disproportionate or unconscionable.


Don't get me wrong, I can see a problem with people 'account sitting' entire games, or people setting up games with the intention of handing over complete control to a sitter. But people who have lives outside of Risk, handing over a couple of turns to a sitter (or simply instructing a sitter to play all of the turns which arise in a 24 hour period) seems like exactly the kind of thing this site should accomodate.


wicked wrote:Or in your rush to chastise me for any reason imaginable, did you miss that?
Calm down dear, there's no witch-hunt going on here. Try to remember that I don't actually stalk you round the forums pursuing this odd little 'vendetta' that you've dreamed up. I was simply anxious to make sure that you, as arbiter of this discussion, were correctly comprehending what Hulmey was saying, no more, no less.
See, I've always thought it important that moderators understand and listen to user's comments, and I was just making sure that was happening here. Now if you disagree with that concept and want to depart from it in this thread, then please just say so...

Basically wicked, I realise you have slight paranoia about my posting in GD, but I'm not 'rushing to chastise you' here, I'm was just trying to make sure that people didn't get misunderstood, and that the rule which got thrashed out here was the one which was best for 'casual gamers' (y'know, the people who the front-page says this site caters for), not the rule which is best for odd-little Risk addicted nerds who make up a very 'vocal minority' of this site, and who regard their scores as extremely serious businesses.
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Postby Thezzaruz on Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:13 am

owenshooter wrote:p.s.-don't forget to vote.


Think I'll refrain from that as I see no option that covers how I think it should work. ;)


But here goes, from someone that has played less than a handful team games.

I have no care whatsoever about teammates in a team game taking each others turns, and that goes for persons not themselves involved in the game to. As long as you don't take turns for your opponent I really see no problem with it.

For single games (v 1 or 7 opponents the like) I'd say that as long as the player baby sitting isn't playing in the same game then I have no issue with it. Take 1 or 50 turns during that same babysitting for all I care, as long as the game moves ahead.
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Postby Thezzaruz on Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:16 am

Realised that I actually could vote. :D

So a single uniform rule: No taking turns for opponents.

Can't see that being implemented though. :mrgreen:
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Postby hulmey on Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:35 am

Bravo Bravo Bravo DM

I played 3-4 turns in 2 freestyle games and i got investigated and warned LMFAO...im the new SkyT...No wonder skyT was laughing at the mods, he actually abused he system over 100's of games and also got a warning....

Bravo Bravo Bravo
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Postby lord voldemort on Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:36 am

hulmey wrote:Bravo Bravo Bravo DM

qft thats why he should be a mod...
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